oohah wrote:

then explain why this was their first win all season when nate plays more than 19 minutes and why they were 9-6 while he was benched in december?

Since the other thread is censored I'll explain it to you here, even though I explained it to you on the game thread: First and foremost Duhon. Duhon was getting tons of minutes and possibly the worst starting player in the NBA.

Duhon started playing well, setting up the front court much better, and the Knicks had some really good schedule breaks. That is why they went 9 and 6 in december. Seriously, you don't realize that?

You really think the Knicks are better without Robinson? You really think the absence of Nate Robinson caused the Knicks to win? Backwards reasoning and absolutely ridiculous. Nate Robinson put the Knicks on his shoulders to win games at least 10 times last season.

Give me a break why don't you?

oohah

i think nate was playing selfishly and the benching was a wake up call that he wasn't going to be able to break down the offense and play for his next contract.

honestly, i'd trade nate straight up for stephen curry right now. he's a good player, but deeply flawed.

the entire team played better in december, not just duhon, because everyone was defending and everyone was playing in the team concept, which nate was not doing. the benching wasn't just for nate, it was for the sake of the whole team. and it worked. and if you can't see that, i don't really care but it makes me glad you aren't coaching the team.

crzymdups wrote:i think nate was playing selfishly and the benching was a wake up call that he wasn't going to be able to break down the offense and play for his next contract.

honestly, i'd trade nate straight up for stephen curry right now. he's a good player, but deeply flawed.

the entire team played better in december, not just duhon, because everyone was defending and everyone was playing in the team concept, which nate was not doing. the benching wasn't just for nate, it was for the sake of the whole team. and it worked. and if you can't see that, i don't really care but it makes me glad you aren't coaching the team.

The entire team was playing better BECAUSE THE POINT GUARD FINALLY STARTED PLAYING DECENTLY. Do you get it yet?

If you want to believe that the entire team started playing better because Nate Robinson wasn't there, I'm glad you're not the GM, because it sounded like Donnie Walsh did not get why Robinson could not get time either.

the benching wasn't just for nate, it was for the sake of the whole team. and it worked.

You really don't get it. The Knicks could have easily lost tonight. Lee and other guys played poorly. The fact that they played poorly had nothing, I repeat, nothing, to do with Robinson.

And your contract reasoning, that is wholly speculation.

oohah

oohah wrote:Someone tell me why Duhon wasn't benched when he was the worst player on the team in November! Please!

oohah

because Duhon is his guy & MDA shows more loyalty to guys that follow the program & don't cause him any headaches... Nate is a big headache, make no mistake about it, but he's a damn good ball player & can help teams win games... some nights he's gonna make u wanna hug him, some nights u'r gonna wanna strangle him... that's who he is & that's never gonna change.

oohah wrote:

then explain why this was their first win all season when nate plays more than 19 minutes and why they were 9-6 while he was benched in december?

Since the other thread is censored I'll explain it to you here, even though I explained it to you on the game thread: First and foremost Duhon. Duhon was getting tons of minutes and possibly the worst starting player in the NBA.

Duhon started playing well, setting up the front court much better, and the Knicks had some really good schedule breaks. That is why they went 9 and 6 in december. Seriously, you don't realize that?

You really think the Knicks are better without Robinson? You really think the absence of Nate Robinson caused the Knicks to win? Backwards reasoning and absolutely ridiculous. Nate Robinson put the Knicks on his shoulders to win games at least 10 times last season.

Give me a break why don't you?

oohah

Agree pinning our winning record on his absence is a bit of a stretch, it could have been a factor but a small one at best

I think the Knicks are better without lil Nate, the one that poses after making a dunk during a blow out, flexes after making a big play and forgets about getting back on defense and goofs around pregame by jacking 40 ft 3 pointers. However ANY team in this league will definitely be better with the Nate that came out today, unstoppable, focussed and under control.

Like TMS said this is what we get with Nate, he can put the knicks on his shoulders and win us some games, but he'll cost us some too.

Nates string of DNPs should be over after this display and i hope he's gonna come out the player we all want him to be. If thats the case i think we should cut some slack.

Just like pinning our winning record to Nate being on the pine, pinning Nates benching on being a douche is a bit of a stretch as well. Nobody knows what goes behind closed door during practise and in the locker room. He could have be undermining the coach by goofing and slacking during practise, he could have gave the coach backtalk who knows. Whats most important is that if Nate "gets it" and has learnt his lesson, he deserves to play.

TMS wrote:
because Duhon is his guy & MDA shows more loyalty to guys that follow the program & don't cause him any headaches... Nate is a big headache, make no mistake about it, but he's a damn good ball player & can help teams win games... some nights he's gonna make u wanna hug him, some nights u'r gonna wanna strangle him... that's who he is & that's never gonna change.

I agre that it is because Duhon is D'Antoni's guy but when a player shoots 15% from the field and can't guard ANYONE in November, I think that is a headache. And there are other knuckleheads o the team.

D'Antoni just said on TV that it is all about winning. We know that isn't true and that is what really irritates me about him. He gets obviously personal.

oohah

oohah wrote:

TMS wrote:
because Duhon is his guy & MDA shows more loyalty to guys that follow the program & don't cause him any headaches... Nate is a big headache, make no mistake about it, but he's a damn good ball player & can help teams win games... some nights he's gonna make u wanna hug him, some nights u'r gonna wanna strangle him... that's who he is & that's never gonna change.

I agre that it is because Duhon is D'Antoni's guy but when a player shoots 15% from the field and can't guard ANYONE in November, I think that is a headache. And there are other knuckleheads o the team.

D'Antoni just said on TV that it is all about winning. We know that isn't true and that is what really irritates me about him. He gets obviously personal.

oohah

they were 9-6 in december. they were 3-14 in november. what part of that does not equal winning more in december?

oohah wrote:

crzymdups wrote:i never said duhon didn't play better. you think duhon playing better affected the entire team defense? okay, go right ahead.

No you did not say that Duhon didn't play better. But you never acknowledged that Duhon's play is the single biggest difference in the Knicks between November and December. However you did say that the very absence of Nate Robinson made the Knicks play better. Sorry it makes no sense. Robinson was not killing the Knicks in November, Duhon was.

the biggest difference was defense.

you know the last time the knicks held opposing teams to under 100pts in 11 straight games? 2001. when camby, larry johnson and sprewell were here.

oohah wrote:

crzymdups wrote:
how short our memories are? let me tell you what stands out most from nate's tenure here - winning 23 games in two separate seasons and thinking that being alive in the playoff race in the first week of march was impressive.

we have been horrible the entire time nate has been a knick. i don't care if you don't think he needs to play differently to win games, but i am hoping that he realizes that he needs to play differently to win ball games.

the team was 9-6 while he sat which is a better record than any team nate has ever played on in the nba.

All of your comments about the Knicks record with Nate Robinson apply to David Lee as well. Neither guy are a player who can make a team a winner on his own. But both are very good weapons who deserve to play. Nate Robinson has left it on the floor every time he has played. Unless something happened behind closed doors that we did not know about, his benching was undeserved, based on his play on the court.

oohah

it was based on d'antoni trying a new defensive scheme where they switch and play zone and have four guys who are 6-9" or taller on the floor at all times and who can switch off pretty much everyone.

did you notice gallinari and jeffries guard the opposing point guard a lot?

that is called a defensive scheme. nate did not fit into it and he was breaking plays on the offense to call his own number so d'antoni benched him.

it was not personal, it was for the good of the team. and if you think the way nate was playing in november was for the good of the team i don't know what to tell you.