McK1 wrote:efg does not matter. the only thing that counts when determining wins and losses is how many fgs you made vs how many you missed.

how do u figure that when you get more points for made 3 point shots than 2 pointers? the only thing that matters in the end to determine a W or a L is the amount of points you scored compared to the other team... how u get those points is immaterial... getting to the line for free throws & making those also factor into this discussion

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TMS wrote:

McK1 wrote:efg does not matter. the only thing that counts when determining wins and losses is how many fgs you made vs how many you missed.

how do u figure that when you get more points for made 3 point shots than 2 pointers? the only thing that matters in the end to determine a W or a L is the amount of points you scored compared to the other team... how u get those points is immaterial... getting to the line for free throws & making those also factor into this discussion

knicks shoot more 3's than 28 other teams. are they leading the nba in scoring? are the knicks even in the top 10?

dude, ur talking in circles again... how did this discussion come to the Knicks being a bad team? we're talking about Gallo here... there's a ton of other reasons why the Knicks lose games other than Gallo taking a ton of 3 pointers... Gallo needs to stick to what his strengths are, & right now he's a better shooter than he is a post up player or a take it to the hole guy... u want him to go away from his strength & play to his weakness, which is the wrong approach.

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Marv wrote:I think the 3's are holding back gallinari's development. he needs to keep developing his overall game, including figuring out how to use other skills to get closer shots and attack the rim.

not suprised noone has addressed this

Galinari is shooting 39% for the month of December. Wonder what that number would be if he stopped taking so many threes

don't know.. how could you ever tell that.. if they were bad threes, that would be one thing, but he is shooting wide open threes. shots he hit all year, and shots we expect him to hit again...

ummm look at the statistics for one.

he is shooting 45% on 2 pts (2.3/5.1 per game avg) and 35.7% on 3 pts shots (2.7/7.1 per game avg) for December.

seems to me the numbers support he should look to take more 2's.

all i Know is I am allenfanned.

=2.3/5.1 * 2 points per shot = (EXCEL HEKP ME) 0.901960784

=2.7/7.1 * 3 fucing poinst per jack daniels shots = 1.14084507

I don't know what that equates to but I do know what eFG means!

= 45% for 2a
= 38% for 3s

One is better than the other.

To put it in another, maybe non-allanfand way

2.3 * 2 = 4.6 points on 5.1 shots for two-point field goals
2.7 * 3 = 8.1 points on 7.1 shots for three-point field goals

4.6/5.1 = 0.9 points per shot
8.1/7.1 = 1.1 points per shot

So even at 35%, he should keep shooting just as many or more threes than he has. like i pointed out some weeks ago, I think the cutoff to 'break even' on shooting threes is around 34%.

since we can expect his normal 3% to be around 40%, I say there is no issue here.

we can compare this to harrington's 29% on the season.

this faulted logic only makes sense if basketball were a 1 on 1 game in a park.

It's not faulted logic. What's faulted is you saying that he should shoot less threes. Gallo is a 'pure shooter'. Like TMS said, is like asking a post player to stop posting. I was just highlighting that he is still above 'breaking even' on his three point shooting.

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TMS wrote:Gallo needs to stick to what his strengths are, & right now he's a better shooter than he is a post up player or a take it to the hole guy... u want him to go away from his strength & play to his weakness, which is the wrong approach.

i disagree.

we just saw what he can do with the ball when he doesn't settle for the catch and three attempt. gallo RIGHT NOW has the ability to get anywhere he wants on the floor and has the handles/court vision/awareness to not only make a play for himself but for others as well.

he is "essentially a rookie" means nada. he knows how to play. stop making excuses for the guy not playing to his full potential

so let me get this straight, a 21 year old kid who's coming off back surgery & a year of inactivity is supposed to already be playing up to his full potential right now in your eyes... yeah, that's fair... curious i don't hear you saying the same things about kids like Anthony Randolph, Jerryd Bayless, Jevale McGee or BJ Mullens.

Gallo's a perimeter shooter who's still learning to take it strong to the hole & is starting to go to that more & more... it's a learning process... he's not a fully polished player like you're making him out to be, stop casting him out to be a finished product... the kid's 21 freakin' years old for God's sakes! there's room for improvement, everyone knows this... he's working on his game, i think it's obvious... he's starting to attack more & not just settling for jumpers, but the jumper will always be his bread & butter, don't get it twisted

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orangeblobman wrote:

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orangeblobman wrote:

martin wrote:

McK1 wrote:

tkf wrote:

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Marv wrote:I think the 3's are holding back gallinari's development. he needs to keep developing his overall game, including figuring out how to use other skills to get closer shots and attack the rim.

not suprised noone has addressed this

Galinari is shooting 39% for the month of December. Wonder what that number would be if he stopped taking so many threes

don't know.. how could you ever tell that.. if they were bad threes, that would be one thing, but he is shooting wide open threes. shots he hit all year, and shots we expect him to hit again...

ummm look at the statistics for one.

he is shooting 45% on 2 pts (2.3/5.1 per game avg) and 35.7% on 3 pts shots (2.7/7.1 per game avg) for December.

seems to me the numbers support he should look to take more 2's.

all i Know is I am allenfanned.

=2.3/5.1 * 2 points per shot = (EXCEL HEKP ME) 0.901960784

=2.7/7.1 * 3 fucing poinst per jack daniels shots = 1.14084507

I don't know what that equates to but I do know what eFG means!

= 45% for 2a
= 38% for 3s

One is better than the other.

To put it in another, maybe non-allanfand way

2.3 * 2 = 4.6 points on 5.1 shots for two-point field goals
2.7 * 3 = 8.1 points on 7.1 shots for three-point field goals

4.6/5.1 = 0.9 points per shot
8.1/7.1 = 1.1 points per shot

So even at 35%, he should keep shooting just as many or more threes than he has. like i pointed out some weeks ago, I think the cutoff to 'break even' on shooting threes is around 34%.

since we can expect his normal 3% to be around 40%, I say there is no issue here.

we can compare this to harrington's 29% on the season.

this faulted logic only makes sense if basketball were a 1 on 1 game in a park.

It's not faulted logic. What's faulted is you saying that he should shoot less threes. Gallo is a 'pure shooter'. Like TMS said, is like asking a post player to stop posting. I was just highlighting that he is still above 'breaking even' on his three point shooting.

there is 22-23 feet of court radiating from the rim before the three line in every direction for him to get his pure shot off

But you get 3 points for a 3-point shot, and 2 for a 2-point shot. You see?

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But you get 3 points for a 3-point shot, and 2 for a 2-point shot. You see?

no I don't. can you explain it again?

What I'm saying is that if a man can shoot 3-pointers efficiently, which Gallo can, you let him shoot 100 of them a game if he's going to hit 35% or more. It's a luxury, almost, not something that should be constrained. We are lucky to have a long-range-bomber.

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so let me get this straight, a 21 year old kid who's coming off back surgery & a year of inactivity is supposed to already be playing up to his full potential right now in your eyes... yeah, that's fair... curious i don't hear you saying the same things about kids like Anthony Randolph, Jerryd Bayless, Jevale McGee or BJ Mullens.

none of these guys were taken 6 by the Knicks.

Gallinari is building his base as a player NOW. He is starting and getting 30 mpg. Obviously thinks he is ready to step his game up.

Brook Lopez was starting & getting 30 mpg last year & put up 13 / 8.1 / 1.8... Gallo's starting for the first time this year & putting up 14.4 / 4.9 / 0.9... Gallo critics have regularly praised the play of kids like Lopez all throughout last season, but because Gallo was taken by the Knicks, he deserves nothing but criticism for what he lacks as a 21 yo kid still getting his bearings in the NBA... if that's not a double standard i don't know what is.

why do keep mentioning guys on other teams (whom were all picked after Gallo but thats neither here nor there) as some kind of measure for how efficient a player Gallinari should be?

he has the skills and they are on display today. There is no reason why he can't play like this every game. Shooting double digit threes, double the attempt from three than from two are choices he is making with the ball. Today his first instinct off the deep catch has been for the most part to survey and he is playing a great floor game because of it.

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i mention those other guys because those were the players consistently brought up by Gallo critics as the ones we should have drafted instead of an "unproven Euro kid with a bad back & stiff legs" all throughout last season... i mention those guys because the same critics never mention the weaknesses in their games, but consistently bring up the weaknesses in Gallo's... compare the stats that Gallo is putting up this year to the stats put up by those players during their 1st full season in the league & Gallo stands above most of them... i just feel you're being overly nitpicky about Gallo right now, he's still a work in progress... the same patience that you show to prospects on other teams you should have for Gallo.

as for tonight's game, i agree, he's showing a lot more aggressiveness going to the hole & he's dishing the ball well & not forcing up shots from deep... it's nice to see, but that still doesn't mean he should go away from his bread & butter skills, which is first & foremost shooting the basketball.

well save that argument for BRIGGS.

If OJ Mayo were here and jacking up 3's vs displaying his versatility as a shooter scorer playmaker I'd bash him for it too. He's not here though Gallinari is.