1. the Knicks always need to cover their public relations bases. Kids love Nate. Adults love winners.
2. Donnie ain't interested in bad contracts
3. Nate becomes the highest paid NBA cheerleader since ML Carr
4. bon voyage

AnubisADL - the law that has stood since the beginning of time has never changed and survives to this day...

Best five play.

AnubisADL wrote:- Mike D'Antoni isn't some mastermind coach. The guy coached Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudemire, and Joe Johnson. I guess we should give Mike Brown COY awards too.

- Robinson is a knucklehead and the coach has the right to bench guys who aren't giving him what he wants. My issue is he lets Duhon stink it up and still gave him major minutes. Seems to me this coach has his pets and if you don't roll with the punches you are in his dog house.

- D'Antoni also has been putting Walsh is tough predicaments due to his attitude about certain players. Darko collecting DNP's is pretty shameful after seeing Bender get minutes after being out of the league for 4 years. Milicic isnt a great player but he isnt pure trash either. Seems that if you cant shoot 3's D'Antoni doesnt want you. I dont see us winning anything with a coach who values 3 point shooting from a center.

All great coaches have great players, so its not very wise to mention that MDA had Nash, Amare, etc....Riley had Magic, Worthy and Kareem. Does that mean is isn;t a great coach. Red had Bill Russell, Hondo, Cousy, etc....Phil had MJ and Pippen, then Kobe and Shaq....whats your point?

"He is a knucklehead like Rasheed Wallace who doesn't get into trouble off the court but cant control himself on the court at times."

AnubisADL - Nate is an attention getter with great hops and a decent jump shot.

Rasheed Wallace is a fluid, sweet shooting, big man who is a foot and a half taller. Sheed also happens have a short fuse with officials and owns a sparkly championship ring

misterearl wrote:All knuckleheads are not created equal

"He is a knucklehead like Rasheed Wallace who doesn't get into trouble off the court but cant control himself on the court at times."

AnubisADL - Nate is an attention getter with great hops and a decent jump shot.

Rasheed Wallace is a fluid, sweet shooting, big man who is a foot and a half taller. Sheed also happens to a short fuse with officials and owns a sparkly championship ring

Sheed was not receiving much love when he was a "Jail" Blazer. Detroit acquired him for pennies due to his bad image and he showed he can contribute to a winning team.

Nate may go to another team and contribute, but this isn't because of MDA wasting him here. Sometimes a change of environment is all a person needs, sometimes a situation is so sour that it cannot be redeemed. What's a guy to do?

1-9 start aside, this is a playoff team, playing playoff ball.

orangeblobman wrote:I don't get this MDA bashing. You let Phil Jackson coach a team with mismatched scrubs and we see how well he does? MDA came in knowing he would be losing a lot of games, that took guts. He accepted a huge challenge here and should be praised for that alone, not to mention how well he has them playing right now. Guy's a good coach no doubt, one of the very best.

Nate may go to another team and contribute, but this isn't because of MDA wasting him here. Sometimes a change of environment is all a person needs, sometimes a situation is so sour that it cannot be redeemed. What's a guy to do?

1-9 start aside, this is a playoff team, playing playoff ball.

D'Antoni came for the money. We made him the 3rd highest paid coach in the NBA. If he really cared about winning he could have easily waited to see how the draft turned out. He saw the $$$ and jumped on it. I cannot fault the man for that since at the end of the day this is all a business. Im not going to give him props for accepting a "sucky" job when he is getting paid more than the other 23 coaches in the league.

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BasketballJones wrote:It's pretty clear that the Knicks would've preferred to trade Nate but had no opportunity to do so. Believing he had some value, they signed him and hoped to make it work. I'm sure D'Antoni and others have discussed with Nate what is expected of him. Nate can't or won't comply, so now he rides the pine.

D'Antoni sure has a lot more clout than any Knick coach we've seen in a long time.

Why shouldn't he have more clout than previous coaches?

I never said he shouldn't. It was just an observation.

Swishfm3 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Marv wrote:

TMS wrote:

Marv wrote:but as far as nate goes, again i think he'd burn any nba coach out. one, two seasons of his crap would have been plenty. but to keep it up this long? i'd maintain there's no way any of us can fully fathom what it has to be like to be coaching an nba team and have one guy consistently act out during games like he does. all his good intentions and exuberance aside.

the problem i have isn't that MDA finally had enough of Nate, but how he handled the situation... he should have talked it over w/Donnie & figured out a plan of action to unload Nate somehow & get back some useful asset... to banish him to the bench & basically force Nate to demand a trade is pretty much biting off your nose to spite your face, isn't it? what good does it serve our chances of trading him by benching him like that is my question... i just don't see any positives there.

no one in the league wants him. that was proven out last offseason.

No..that was not proven.

Both he and D.Lee were UFA. Why would a team waste their time trying to negotiate with them if everyone knew that the Knicks were going to match?

Much like what is happening to Jason Bay. MLB teams all know that the METS are going to match any offer to J.Bay, which is why no one is going after him a contract.

What makes you think the Knicks would have matched any offer to Nate? More mind reading here? VALUE is determined by Supply and Demand and in case of Nate Robinson the Demand was 0, so he is value is exactly the same.

And what makes YOU think they wouldn't have? Supply and demand?

Nate Robinson
17.2 points, 3.9 rebounds, 4.1 assists and 29.9 minutes

Every team BUT the Knicks can use a player like this.

Fact is..Since they were both RFA, Knicks brass had all the leverage when dealing with Lee and Nate. They decided to let the other NBA teams dictate their value. With the economy and teams not wanting to over pay, no one stepped forward. Simple as that

So if every team is dying to use his talents why isn't Walsh flooded with trade proposals for Nate? I never said they wouldn't match any offers, I said there was no evidence that they would or wouldn't If you want to argue something please do not make assumptions of things not in evidence.

He is averaging 10.9 Points, 1.8 Rebs, 3.2 Assists, 1.58 Turnovers in 22 mins per game with 71% free throw shooting. Not quite as stellar as people make it out to be. And definitely not worth posing about on court. But his skill is not the reason clubs don't want him its his behavior which is not captured in the stats you love to reel off. Why would any team give up any value for him? They can easily sign him next year. At the start of the season Lee wasn't in any better a place than Nate in terms of the Knicks long term plans but he is showing how effort and good behaviour ARE rewarded by this coach. So enuff with this personal vedetta conspiracy theories.

AnubisADL wrote:

misterearl wrote:Ira - true

1. the Knicks always need to cover their public relations bases. Kids love Nate. Adults love winners.
2. Donnie ain't interested in bad contracts
3. Nate becomes the highest paid NBA cheerleader since ML Carr
4. bon voyage

AnubisADL - the law that has stood since the beginning of time has never changed and survives to this day...

Best five play.

If that was the case why was Duhon playing?

Not sure I understand why Duhon is being put in such light.

The dude is obviously deficient in many areas. No questions. Defense is so-so at best. Can't break down anyone one-on-one. Doesn't finish at the hoop very well. Jacks uo too many 3's that are 5 feet behind 3point line. Jacks up too many 3s at the wrong point in time.

BUT....

Top ten in assists in the NBA. Yeah, without so much as another all-star on his own team to help out. And plenty of chuckers with low FG% that don't help this category. Oh yeah, just beating out BJennings out in a per game category.

Assists per turnover? Top 6 in the league.

David Lee ain't creating his own shots man.