Bippity10 wrote:
Of all the millions of asses that Michael Jordan busted, how many times did you see him strut or preen or dance or play to the crowd. Maybe 3 or 4 times ever??? All he cared about was winning the game. To him a dunk wasn't the end all to be celebrated. Neither was winning a game. What was most important was doing whatever it took to win a title. That's all he cared about. If you pay attention to Michael later in his career. He was not the most talented player in basketball. But he was so focused, so determined, such an assassin, that it didn't matter. He beat you anyway.

Different personalities. Different era. Dancing and dedication to winning are mutually exclusive, IMO.

Give Lebron a Scottie Pippen in his prime and we're talking about "can lebron repeat"

sebstar wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

Now, as for the dancing I agree with Kevin Mchale. It's shameful that someone on the Bulls did not knock him on his ass. I would not yell at him, I would not threaten him. I would level him.

Couldn't agree more. Forget about getting suspended he should have been knocked on his ass. You know one of those old-school Xavier McDaniels plays where he does it even try to make a play for the ball just takes the guy's head off.

Somebody does that nowadays to a star player and they're getting a 10 game suspension.

Psh, try 82 game suspension.

Good coaches create the tone for their players. I think only Phil Jax got that kind of mad respect from his players these days. Maybe Pop and Larry come to think of it. Lebrons coach can't bench lebron for dancing.

Nalod wrote:So we are saying that Phil Jax's players have deep respect and focus.

Good coaches create the tone for their players. I think only Phil Jax got that kind of mad respect from his players these days. Maybe Pop and Larry come to think of it. Lebrons coach can't bench lebron for dancing.

Dennis Rodman.

He let Dennis be Dennis as long as he performed on the court. If Phil was coaching Cleveland, Lebron could walk in his house and slap the taste out of Jeenie Buss' mouth and James would still be penciled in the starting lineup.

Andrew wrote:

Bippity10 wrote: I see it when I go to the gym nowadays and someone wants to fight me because I hand check them.

Geeze...where exactly are you hand checking them?

Their groins. Am I not supposed to?

Bippity10 wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Bippity10 wrote: I see it when I go to the gym nowadays and someone wants to fight me because I hand check them.

Geeze...where exactly are you hand checking them?

Their groins. Am I not supposed to?

Note to self: Don't attend a UK pickup game when Bip RSVPs.

djsunyc wrote:you'll never see guys like kobe, jeter and brady dancing during a regular season game when it's a romp. you won't see those guys come up with elaborate pregame introduction rituals.

lebron is awesome - there is no debating that. but he is currently not on those guys levels when it comes to seriously taking his team to the next level. he has the skills to but he's not there. he's still in the "i want to have some fun" stage of his career. that's ok tho - he's still just a kid.

it's obvious noah was frustrated with the way the team was playing. they were getting blown out and he looks over the other side and he was doing the kid and play like they just won a championship. he was voicing his frustration.

the issue with lebron is that everybody clearly defers to him in everything. his teammates, coaches and organization. what he (and wade) did the past 12 months talking about free agency and playing in this city and that city was nothing short of unprofessional and disrespectful to their fanbase and organization.

let's be real here, the only thing keeping Lebron from taking his team to the next level is the talent around him, not his showboating on the floor... this is the case in any team sport you wanna talk about... some guys are just more understated & they don't like to show up the opponents & disrespect them but i don't think that means u can't take ur team to the next level if u like to celebrate w/ur teammates during games... it's just a question of personalities here, nothing more... Lebron is alot more gregarious than Kobe, it's just fact... Shaq is just as bad as Lebron, i'm pretty sure no one thinks he couldn't take his teams to the next level during his HOF career... some alltime great athletes like Barry Sanders don't celebrate TD's & just hand the ball to the ref (which i actually much prefer than the showboating types), but he was on some crappy Lions teams & never got to the big show, & then you have someone like Deion Sanders who was exciting to watch & probably the most self promoting & obnoxious athlete ever but still played a key role in helping the 49ers win a Super Bowl while winning Defensive POY honors the same season, but he had some great talent around him on that team... Reggie Jackson, another alltime great but self promoting player who liked to cut the mustard every time he hit a HR posing at the plate & had his signature prance while rounding the bases, he's got 5 WS rings on his finger w/the A's & Yanks & disrespected his own teammates w/the "straw that stirred the drink" comment... you have your Derek Jeter's, Tom Brady's, Peyton Manning's & Jerry Rice's, & then you have your Shaq's, Reggie's & Neon Deion's... this has nothing really to do w/being able to win championships.

but i agree w/u about the stuff about Lebron & Wade disrespecting their fanbase w/the free agency stuff... if i were a Cavs or Heat fan i wouldn't much like it either... & i agree that Noah did well in saying something to Lebron, but i still think Lebron woulda kicked his ass either way.

Bippity10 wrote:Now, as for the dancing I agree with Kevin Mchale. It's shameful that someone on the Bulls did not knock him on his ass. I would not yell at him, I would not threaten him. I would level him. There is a mindset that guys that truly "lead their teams" to championships have. lebron doesn't have it right now. those guys that are focused on the show(in general) tend not to be able to put their teams over the top. But he's young, so it would not concern me that much if I was coaching him.

Of all the millions of asses that Michael Jordan busted, how many times did you see him strut or preen or dance or play to the crowd. Maybe 3 or 4 times ever??? All he cared about was winning the game. To him a dunk wasn't the end all to be celebrated. Neither was winning a game. What was most important was doing whatever it took to win a title. That's all he cared about. If you pay attention to Michael later in his career. He was not the most talented player in basketball. But he was so focused, so determined, such an assassin, that it didn't matter. He beat you anyway.

dancing or preening doesn't mean a thing when we're talking about championship mentalities bro... it's how you make your teammates better on the field of competition & the talent level around you that determines winning... guys like Lebron & Dwight Howard like to dance but they make their teammates better on the floor, they just don't have the right talent around them to get to the next level... even Jordan couldn't get there until he got the right cast of talent around him, guys like Pippen, Kukoc, Rodman, Kerr, Armstrong, Grant, Paxson, etc.... all those guys knew their role & excelled in them... Lebron's personality & dancing isn't gonna keep him from winning titles in the NBA.

Grist for the mill on a slow news day at UK.