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10/19/2009  4:06 PM
Posted by Martice:
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If these guys do not pan out this could potentially set this franchise back by years.

Isn't that the same for every lottery team?

Of course we need them to pan out. Can you give me an example of someone on the board saying they don't need to pan out?? The question is. If you are lottery team do you draft the most NBA ready player or do you draft the player you feel has the biggest upside. This is a centuries old question that has never been answered because both scenarios have won titles and both scenarios have gotten GM's fired. Walsh's day of reckoning is coming. It's just not now. No one here is pollyana and thinking it's all going to work out great. It's just that many of us aren't ready to jump on the panic mobile just yet.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 19-10-2009 2:30 PM]

I hear you Bippity and I agree with most of what you've said. However, I am not sure you understand what I am saying. I don't think this guy should've been taken in the first round. I'm not saying he's going to be a bust because what I expect out of him is very attainable for him. The "upside" everyone see's I don't see as of yet and what I do see is yet to be determined if he can do it consistently on the NBA level. I'm sure if we can see a version of Gallo like in his highlight reel, while playing against NBA talent, I would feel differently but at this point, I don't see it.

You say "give it time" and we have no choice but to wait and see. I hope he really does meet and surpass my expectations in regards to his overall play but I still think we could've done better with the pick.



[Edited by - Martice on 10-19-2009 3:07 PM]

[Edited by - Martice on 10-19-2009 3:08 PM]

You and I are on the same page. I haven't seen #6 results as of yet. For a small portion of last year he showed definite potential, but I personally am a fan of results and not potential. You aren't wrong in wondering where "all this potential" is. That being said, I have also seen enough players come around 2,3,4 years into their career that my heart is settled at this point. I'm frustrated we don't have a #1 producing right now, but I'm willing to give them time because it does happen. So why throw myself off the bridge now.

As for Hill, I knew he was a project going in. We all knew. My mind is at peace.
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10/19/2009  4:30 PM
Posted by bitty41:
This is where I think you guys contradict yourselves. If all Walsh's moves point to buying a championship why would he draft projects??? Wouldn't he have followed our philosophy if he wanted to attract top free agents that don't want to go to a rebuilding situation?

Maybe he just blew it? And frankly I don't know what his logic was in not drafting a point guard or a centerlast year. Drafting for either of those positions could have really helped in the long-run. Again this my own personal take.
To me, it just looks like he's trying to build a long-term winner. He may wiff on the attempt, but that's what it looks like to me. He's just not willing to destroy the future for the present.

Let me ask you this question do you think it's impossible to have a good team and draft well while rebuilding?

I don't disagree with the possibility that maybe Walsh just blew it. Based on what we've seen it's very possible. I am in no way arguing with anyone on this point. The only time I take issue is when someone says "Walsh blew these last two drafts". Again, he may have, but the jury is still out.

I don't understand the question. Is it possible to have a good team, draft well while rebuilding. Anything is possible? You can have a bad team and draft well while rebuilding. You can have a good team and draft poorly while rebuilding. You can have a bad team and draft poorly while rebuilding. I guess I don't understand the question. Until I see these three guys get their careers going I can't judge how Walsh drafted.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 19-10-2009 4:35 PM]
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10/19/2009  4:32 PM
Posted by bitty41:
This is where I think you guys contradict yourselves. If all Walsh's moves point to buying a championship why would he draft projects??? Wouldn't he have followed our philosophy if he wanted to attract top free agents that don't want to go to a rebuilding situation?

Maybe he just blew it? And frankly I don't know what his logic was in not drafting a point guard or a centerlast year. Drafting for either of those positions could have really helped in the long-run. Again this my own personal take.
To me, it just looks like he's trying to build a long-term winner. He may wiff on the attempt, but that's what it looks like to me. He's just not willing to destroy the future for the present.

Let me ask you this question do you think it's impossible to have a good team and draft well while rebuilding?

Oh and by the way I would have drafted a PG as well.
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10/19/2009  5:02 PM
@bip i still think meka is the real deal and it would be a steal for ny to aquire him. while his stock is low.
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10/19/2009  5:22 PM
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Martice: Gallo has not accomplished anything. You and I agree on this point. He personally does not excite me in anyway. That being said, it's early in his career. Same with Hill. Between our last 3 draft picks they have played a combined total of 28 games. To early to close the books on this one. When Kevin Ollie was freshman I could bust his asse. Twelve years later he's a millionaire basketball player and I"m bragging about the 40 points I scored last night in the Y league to anyone that will listen(allow me to repeat, I went for 40 last night on a surgically repaired ankle). Time and time again we've learned that beginnings don't matter. He was drafted high for a reason. Let it play out before you make yourself angry. This is a great lesson for the TMS happiness thread. Let things reahc their conclusion before you claim them to be a failure.

Good post. Excellent and insightful, really - an astonishing achievement. Keep up the good work.

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10/19/2009  5:26 PM
i am worried about gallo too. you have to be worried when dude just lacks all sorts of aggression. way too passive. does not look promising. will exercise more patience. hoping for the best *fingers crossed*
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10/19/2009  6:28 PM
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The closest thing we have to a star is Nate and no one wants to admit it.Gallo seems soft, and a guy who can hit jump shots some time.
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10/19/2009  6:33 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Oh Great how low have I sunk that I have to live vicariously thru Bip's accomplishments on the court? GEEZ! I haven't played ball in so long it's sad. Lately the only thing i've gotten to do is move the faders on my mixer. Way to go Bip. Keep it up for the rest of us poor saps who can get to the park or gym.

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10/19/2009  6:39 PM
Look at all the other guys that went right around Gallinari. The top 7 picks went one year to college except for Westbrook. All these guys started or they gave their teams good minutes and produced. Do you see Gallinari do anything close what EG, Mayo, Beasley, Rose, and Love did last year no way. Our last two picks have been guys with high ceilings. We need players, we suck and need help now.
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10/19/2009  6:57 PM
@papabear coolbeans says ypu may very well be right about nate.
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10/19/2009  7:05 PM
I have no problem with the idea of drafting a guy like Gallo, who has great BB IQ, great size and a good handle for a guy that people forget is NEARLY 7 ft tall. Gallo can shoot and yes he can drive despite his not looking very quick, he seems to be able to get by guys when he sets his mind to it. I'm not sure why he's been so hesitant, but I do know that he's got the right mix of talent and a good understanding of the game and how to play a team game. I just think expectations are a bit unreasonable. WHY, cuz the kid was 19 on draft day and we had him playing in a new country and at the highest level of BB in the world and he actually didn't look like it was a problem despite a painful back condition.

I know it doesn't look good for the picks at this point, but before we get crazy about it, shouldn't we wait at least a full season to see how they come along? To me it's much easier for some players to shine, especially SG's who much like RB's, you know you've got one right away. You don't draft SG/SF's that can't shoot high in the draft unless there freak athletes like Green or Derozan. Gallo is kind of a hybrid and he's still growing into what he's finally gonna be. Guys like Gordon ain't gettin any bigger and stopped growing a while ago. Gallo was still growing and is likely to fill out more as we go along. Same goes for Hill.
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10/19/2009  7:07 PM
it honestly wont take a full season. the jury will be in before the allstar break.
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10/19/2009  7:22 PM
I dont care if EG is 4 feet tall the kid is going to be a all star someday and average 20 points a game in this league. He will average more rebounds, steals, and blocks than the 7 footer
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As of now, I'm giving Gallo the benefit of the doubt. Duke is coming off back surgery, we've got to give him time to get his legs back and acclimate himself to NBA speed again. Gallo has a very high ceiling given his size and skill set. Would I be more comfortable with a Gordon or Rudolph right now? Sure, but there is more than a good chance that Gallo could shoot past them once he fixes his shyt.

But Hill. Naw. I'm not sold. You really going to tell me that you guys would rather have Hill/Douglas than Jennings/Blair? Hil's ceiling just seems so cotdamn low.
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10/19/2009  8:39 PM
Posted by martin:
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My own personal belief is that you draft the most NBA ready at lottery positions because let's face 90% teams drafting at those positions is because they are lacking greatly in talent. Now if your a Detroit whose by some freak circumstance got a lotto pick in the same year they played in the Conference Finals then you have the luxury of drafting a guy whose not completely NBA ready but has a major upside.

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I don't disagree with this philosophy. It's worked for many and it's gotten many fired. Remember Emeka Okafor was considered the "most NBA ready" during his draft. But everything being equal I tend to lie in your camp.

the whole risk/reward, right? maybe it should be calculated risk/reward.

If you want NBA starters in the top 5 or 10 picks or NBA starters drafted before potential, you def don't draft Kobe or Dirk, and you take Okafor over Howard and Oden before Durant. But you also lose out.

I think this was alot more like taking Weiss over Artest and the Knicks definitely lost out.
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10/19/2009  10:53 PM
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As of now, I'm giving Gallo the benefit of the doubt. Duke is coming off back surgery, we've got to give him time to get his legs back and acclimate himself to NBA speed again. Gallo has a very high ceiling given his size and skill set. Would I be more comfortable with a Gordon or Rudolph right now? Sure, but there is more than a good chance that Gallo could shoot past them once he fixes his shyt.

But Hill. Naw. I'm not sold. You really going to tell me that you guys would rather have Hill/Douglas than Jennings/Blair? Hil's ceiling just seems so cotdamn low.

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As of now, I'm giving Gallo the benefit of the doubt. Duke is coming off back surgery, we've got to give him time to get his legs back and acclimate himself to NBA speed again. Gallo has a very high ceiling given his size and skill set. Would I be more comfortable with a Gordon or Rudolph right now? Sure, but there is more than a good chance that Gallo could shoot past them once he fixes his shyt.

But Hill. Naw. I'm not sold. You really going to tell me that you guys would rather have Hill/Douglas than Jennings/Blair? Hil's ceiling just seems so cotdamn low.

Yes. Yes I am.

Why. So you're telling me if we had Jennings/Blair and somebody else had Hill/Douglas you would envy their picks? Be real, fam.

[Edited by - sebstar on 10-19-2009 11:05 PM]
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As of now, I'm giving Gallo the benefit of the doubt. Duke is coming off back surgery, we've got to give him time to get his legs back and acclimate himself to NBA speed again. Gallo has a very high ceiling given his size and skill set. Would I be more comfortable with a Gordon or Rudolph right now? Sure, but there is more than a good chance that Gallo could shoot past them once he fixes his shyt.

But Hill. Naw. I'm not sold. You really going to tell me that you guys would rather have Hill/Douglas than Jennings/Blair? Hil's ceiling just seems so cotdamn low.

Yes. Yes I am.

Why. So you're telling me if we had Jennings/Blair and somebody else had Hill/Douglas you would envy their picks? Be real, fam.

[Edited by - sebstar on 10-19-2009 11:05 PM]

I never liked and still don't like Brandon Jennings and wtf has Blair done to be branded some can't-miss prospect? Like I said, if you can't wait a couple of years to evaluate a young player then why even post at all? Some players take longer to develop then others. Nobody knows how anyone will pan out so why even complain about something we have no idea about?
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10/19/2009  11:40 PM
Posted by sebstar:
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As of now, I'm giving Gallo the benefit of the doubt. Duke is coming off back surgery, we've got to give him time to get his legs back and acclimate himself to NBA speed again. Gallo has a very high ceiling given his size and skill set. Would I be more comfortable with a Gordon or Rudolph right now? Sure, but there is more than a good chance that Gallo could shoot past them once he fixes his shyt.

But Hill. Naw. I'm not sold. You really going to tell me that you guys would rather have Hill/Douglas than Jennings/Blair? Hil's ceiling just seems so cotdamn low.

Yes. Yes I am.

Why. So you're telling me if we had Jennings/Blair and somebody else had Hill/Douglas you would envy their picks? Be real, fam.

[Edited by - sebstar on 10-19-2009 11:05 PM]

I would take Jennings/Blair but we don't have Jennings and Blair so I don't whine about it.
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Posted by Bippity10:
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As of now, I'm giving Gallo the benefit of the doubt. Duke is coming off back surgery, we've got to give him time to get his legs back and acclimate himself to NBA speed again. Gallo has a very high ceiling given his size and skill set. Would I be more comfortable with a Gordon or Rudolph right now? Sure, but there is more than a good chance that Gallo could shoot past them once he fixes his shyt.

But Hill. Naw. I'm not sold. You really going to tell me that you guys would rather have Hill/Douglas than Jennings/Blair? Hil's ceiling just seems so cotdamn low.

Yes. Yes I am.

Why. So you're telling me if we had Jennings/Blair and somebody else had Hill/Douglas you would envy their picks? Be real, fam.

[Edited by - sebstar on 10-19-2009 11:05 PM]

I would take Jennings/Blair but we don't have Jennings and Blair so I don't whine about it.

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