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10/8/2009  2:10 PM
just a bunch of media whores ny fans are. starving for any bit of controversy to get riled up over.
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10/8/2009  2:11 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
This is the third straight coach that has said the exact same thing.

And whatever you think of Coach D's comments, they aren't as bad as calling Nate a "sideshow".
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10/8/2009  2:11 PM
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seb, i'm a nate supporter, although i have the same concerns any fan does of his game...

however, we know d'antoni is prone to being openly honest in public, whether that's his ego or not.

he called gallo the best shooter he's ever seen a week ago.

he said nate can lead the league in steals.

he's said a host of honest things in public very often, about what he feels.

do i always think it's appropriate?

not necessarily, but he publicly said something everyone knows. why did nate get a 1 year deal?

part of it is surely because of the $ situation for the team, but if he was a finished product, would the knicks have not offered him a longer deal? same with lee. he's not a finished product either.

they BOTH got 1 year contracts for similar reasons.

to you and dj, i don't think any of us know what the deal is other than what we hear/read in public and see on the court what's behind it, which is also why it may be tricky to take it at face value, especially when we can counterbalance this "negative" comment with a wealth of encouraging comments as well.

to bring those up is not to cherry pick, it's to add context.

if all one is looking at is the comment about why he got a 1 year contract then that is just as easily an example of cherry picking.

i think there is also a history of middle aged white coaches calling out young black players in public that is a fair thing to raise as an issue of what might be a reason some are bothered...

i'm not accusing you of saying this, even though i felt that some of your comments seemed kind of code for, or suggesting this as a concern...but now i may truly be opening a can of worms here...

i really dismiss alot of what's said in the press b/c there's no way to tell why someone says a certain thing. but the contract line sticks out b/c i haven't heard that before. just struck me as very odd.

as for his other comments, if we want to start analyzing it, what does he mean when he says "when we get it" in conjuction with nate getting it? getting what? and if it's not just nate, why is he being singled out?

"The subject Wednesday was Nate Robinson and it led to the annual discussion of how the littlest Knick has to walk the tightrope between playing with unbridled enthusiasm and crossing the line with his behavior toward officials and opponents because of that enthusiasm."

Because that's the player they happened to be talking about.
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10/8/2009  2:11 PM
Posted by eViL:

just a bunch of media whores ny fans are. starving for any bit of controversy to get riled up over.

seb - i think evil just called you a media whore.

me? i'm a rapsfan
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10/8/2009  2:12 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by martin:
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Posted by Bippity10:

"He's got to channel his energy in a positive way," Mike D'Antoni says. "If he does that, he could be as good as anyone in the league. It's a challenge for him and for us but I thought he made improvements last year."

How is this destructive???? Is it really destructive Sebstar or are you just interpreting it that way? What exactly are you objecting too?

To me it sounds like he's challenging Nate. He's saying Nate can be a star and is good enough to lead this team if he gets his emotions in check. Is this secret knowledge? And he's right about the contracts. Nate and lee both did not get long-term contracts because they did not play for a winning team. Again is this secret knowledge?

Why are you cherry picking his statement, man? He didnt just say that. He associated his "channeling of energy" with our garbage season last year. Thats throwing him under the bus. And he made that false ass statement about him getting a one-year deal.

didn't you cherry pick in your original criticism of MDA?

Nate got a 1 year deal, so it's not false. Other teams could have given Nate a multi-year deal, but they didn't. So he's on a 1 year deal.

No. because I acknowledged that some of what D'antoni has validity.

But singling Nate out for last year's team performance and the classless contract talk was beyond foul. Thats what some here arent getting.

Bip has also acknowledged the same, so how it his posts cherry picking?
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10/8/2009  2:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by eViL:

just a bunch of media whores ny fans are. starving for any bit of controversy to get riled up over.

seb - i think evil just called you a media whore.

me? i'm a rapsfan

this thread is what seb would call feminine overreaction at its finest. i wouldn't call it that out of respect for many women out there that are tough enough to handle these tough words from MDA.
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10/8/2009  2:17 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by eViL:

just a bunch of media whores ny fans are. starving for any bit of controversy to get riled up over.

seb - i think evil just called you a media whore.

me? i'm a rapsfan

this thread is what seb would call feminine overreaction at its finest. i wouldn't call it that out of respect for many women out there that are tough enough to handle these tough words from MDA.

dang man...good thing you didn't post what you said about seb's mom in that text you sent me...that would've lit sh t up...
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10/8/2009  2:17 PM
so in conclusion, it's all about lebron in 2010...
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10/8/2009  2:19 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

so in conclusion, it's all about lebron in 2010...

but only if Hill improves to something above bust level - it's been set in stone.
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10/8/2009  2:21 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by sebstar:
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MDA SHOULD NOT EVEN BE QUESTIONED here because he is the WINNING COACH that has WON before and he has the experience, the knowledge, and the wisdom to lead a team.

WHY WE ARE EVEN giving Nate any type of benefit of the doubt is just plain silly. Nate needs to shape up or ship out, that's how it will be. This little primadonna has no right to act the way he does.

i think you are confusing the stance being made. the question is not about *what* mda said but why did mda bring this up in the press - especially the contract?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-08-2009 1:30 PM]

These cats are so pumped to see Nate attacked that they are completely ignoring how tacky that one-year contract statement really was. Not only was it completely baseless, but it was pretty classless. They refuse to acknowledge it and be objective.

This thread is like Fox News. They just stick to their talking points and they wont deviate.

Not talking about that Blob, tho. He's just an annoying ass bug.

Would you care to illustrate what talking points you are speaking of. Personally I'm just giving my opinion like you are. I personally think D'Antoni said what he felt. It's true. Nate does need to change. I also didn't feel that he blamed Nate for the losses in the least little bit. I actually think he basically just said the guy could be great if he wanted to be.

As for the rest of this story we have no idea. It's all speculation. Imagine if you will..........Nate walking around complaining because he didn't get the long-term contract that he felt he deserved. Imagine Harrington and D'Antoni getting fed up with it and bringing this up to the press. Of course this is speculation, but I tend not to say people's actions are wrong unless I know the full-story. I expect people to give this courtesy to me, so I do the same in return.

This is clearly a message to a player on the brink of greatness or career clownery.

Its just weird. You guys all know what the Knicks agenda is for 2010, yet you allow for DAntoni's contract line to go unquestioned.

Goes to show how people will allow their biases to override known facts.
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10/8/2009  2:30 PM
good posts, bip.

your comments are on point suggesting how a manager should know who can take it and who can't.

i haven't gotten the impression, thus far, that nate is the kind who can't because he has seemed to want to listen to what coaches have said.

i think our lack of a big time star who is a leader is something missing, but it's nice to see harrington try to step up to this role.

it matters how nate sees it not us.

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10/8/2009  2:34 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by orangeblobman:

MDA SHOULD NOT EVEN BE QUESTIONED here because he is the WINNING COACH that has WON before and he has the experience, the knowledge, and the wisdom to lead a team.

WHY WE ARE EVEN giving Nate any type of benefit of the doubt is just plain silly. Nate needs to shape up or ship out, that's how it will be. This little primadonna has no right to act the way he does.

i think you are confusing the stance being made. the question is not about *what* mda said but why did mda bring this up in the press - especially the contract?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-08-2009 1:30 PM]

These cats are so pumped to see Nate attacked that they are completely ignoring how tacky that one-year contract statement really was. Not only was it completely baseless, but it was pretty classless. They refuse to acknowledge it and be objective.

This thread is like Fox News. They just stick to their talking points and they wont deviate.

Not talking about that Blob, tho. He's just an annoying ass bug.

Would you care to illustrate what talking points you are speaking of. Personally I'm just giving my opinion like you are. I personally think D'Antoni said what he felt. It's true. Nate does need to change. I also didn't feel that he blamed Nate for the losses in the least little bit. I actually think he basically just said the guy could be great if he wanted to be.

As for the rest of this story we have no idea. It's all speculation. Imagine if you will..........Nate walking around complaining because he didn't get the long-term contract that he felt he deserved. Imagine Harrington and D'Antoni getting fed up with it and bringing this up to the press. Of course this is speculation, but I tend not to say people's actions are wrong unless I know the full-story. I expect people to give this courtesy to me, so I do the same in return.

This is clearly a message to a player on the brink of greatness or career clownery.

Its just weird. You guys all know what the Knicks agenda is for 2010, yet you allow for DAntoni's contract line to go unquestioned.

Goes to show how people will allow their biases to override known facts.

We all know what the Knicks agenda is for 2010? Yes, clear cap space to go after a big free agent, namely Lebron. We all know this because they have said it.

I'm not sure how that relates to this situation though.
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10/8/2009  2:38 PM
this is basically a warning for nate.....get your act together or we have TD waiting in the wings.
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10/8/2009  2:40 PM
Posted by Cartman718:

this is basically a warning for nate.....get your act together or we have TD waiting in the wings.

That's how I read it. I dont' know about the TD part but it does clearly sound like someone is saying, "listen guy enough is enough". I'm also guessing that a lot more behind the scenes stuff is going on with Nate then we hear about. Again, twice by two people in a matter of days. Pretty sure there is a reason behind that.
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10/8/2009  2:40 PM
Both arguments are valid, But what should be pointed out is that Mda himself was the blame for a hand full of loses. Instead of calling out nate, he should simply hold the entire team n coaching staff which all played a roll.

Obviously we all know. The reason and agree with the one year contracts. That's a no brainer

But when you start pointing fingers (which the statement kind of indicates) that becomes a problem.
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10/8/2009  2:46 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

Both arguments are valid, But what should be pointed out is that Mda himself was the blame for a hand full of loses. Instead of calling out nate, he should simply hold the entire team n coaching staff which all played a roll.

Obviously we all know. The reason and agree with the one year contracts. That's a no brainer

But when you start pointing fingers (which the statement kind of indicates) that becomes a problem.

Read the article again and pay close attention.

1.) The conversation was about Nate. D'Antoni did not target him out of the blue
2.) He first says "as soon as we get it"(thus callign out the whole team). He then went back to Nate and said "when he gets it we start to win".

I've been on the court in a position of responsibility. If a coach said to me "as soon as you figure it out this team starts to win", I personally would take it as a compliment. If coach thinks I"m the reason we win then that means "I'm the straw that stirs the drink", that "I'm the man". I just don't understand how that's an insult. But that again is just me. But I'm also the guy when asked "what does the Burns insurance team have to do to win the Y league this year" I responded "add me to the roster".
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10/8/2009  2:47 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Cartman718:

this is basically a warning for nate.....get your act together or we have TD waiting in the wings.

That's how I read it. I dont' know about the TD part but it does clearly sound like someone is saying, "listen guy enough is enough". I'm also guessing that a lot more behind the scenes stuff is going on with Nate then we hear about. Again, twice by two people in a matter of days. Pretty sure there is a reason behind that.

Bip, what did Al Harrington say? I missed that.
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Posted by Allanfan20:
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this is basically a warning for nate.....get your act together or we have TD waiting in the wings.

That's how I read it. I dont' know about the TD part but it does clearly sound like someone is saying, "listen guy enough is enough". I'm also guessing that a lot more behind the scenes stuff is going on with Nate then we hear about. Again, twice by two people in a matter of days. Pretty sure there is a reason behind that.

Bip, what did Al Harrington say? I missed that.

I've been trying to find the exact quote/article. But he said something about how guys need to understand this year that if they want the big contract they have to win. He then related it to his career that after a a big year(I think in Atlanta) he put up really good numbers but didn't get the contract he wanted because his team didn't win. A message is being sent by a guy trying to step up to be the leader of the team, and then followed up by the coach. I'm not saying this is by design, but often times when this happens this way, it is by design. Nate is clearly being targeted. He's at a crossroads and it's put up or shut up time.
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10/8/2009  2:52 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Cartman718:

this is basically a warning for nate.....get your act together or we have TD waiting in the wings.

That's how I read it. I dont' know about the TD part but it does clearly sound like someone is saying, "listen guy enough is enough". I'm also guessing that a lot more behind the scenes stuff is going on with Nate then we hear about. Again, twice by two people in a matter of days. Pretty sure there is a reason behind that.

Bip, what did Al Harrington say? I missed that.

I've been trying to find the exact quote/article. But he said something about how guys need to understand this year that if they want the big contract they have to win. He then related it to his career that after a a big year(I think in Atlanta) he put up really good numbers but didn't get the contract he wanted because his team didn't win. A message is being sent by a guy trying to step up to be the leader of the team, and then followed up by the coach. I'm not saying this is by design, but often times when this happens this way, it is by design. Nate is clearly being targeted. He's at a crossroads and it's put up or shut up time.

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10/8/2009  2:52 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Cartman718:

this is basically a warning for nate.....get your act together or we have TD waiting in the wings.

That's how I read it. I dont' know about the TD part but it does clearly sound like someone is saying, "listen guy enough is enough". I'm also guessing that a lot more behind the scenes stuff is going on with Nate then we hear about. Again, twice by two people in a matter of days. Pretty sure there is a reason behind that.

Bip, what did Al Harrington say? I missed that.

If my memory isn't a mess I'm pretty sure that david Lee said something along these lines as well.
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