Posted by sebstar:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by MS:

I will say there is no chance he is in Amare's league. Hill isn't going to be able to take the ball and dunk on anyone with ease. Amare had serious surgery and still came back and was super athletic. Has anyone watched Amare as a rookie? I'm beginning to question Mike D. Roberson was garbage and we had to have the guy while Wafer who was on our SL roster was actually a valuable piece for the rockets we just let him go, Gallo is the best shooter, Hill reminds him or Amare, Jeffieries is going to be his Diaw. I know PR is important, but comon.

Bip you bring up a good point. The guy isn't a difference maker. That team barely made the tourney and Budinger is an NBA talent and is playing well much better than Hill. He isn't a five and we needed a five, we already have Lee and Gallo at the four. The pick just doesn't make sense.

I have been the biggest amare fan since his HS days. He was a man child, but amare is what? 26 now, and he just started developing a jumper a year or so ago. Hill has been hitting that jumper since last year at arizona. I see the comparisons physically, and both guys just may develop differently. Hill has some skills now that amare didn't have, and one of them were shooting skills. So lets see how hill develops by time he is amare's age, maybe he will get stronger, become more of a force closer to the basket.. right now he is not a scrub, just has a different game at this point in his young career. I think he will make a lot of us happy down the road..

TKF, I love you any everything but you've got a loose relationship with Hill and you combine that with the fact that you are his most vocal supporter, other than of course nixluva, and its like C'mon Son!

Most cats around here that defend hill at least cop to the fact that he's got a long way to go, and he's been pretty bad, but you seem not at all concerned about his poor play: You know you're sweating too, you have to be. I understand riding for your homie, but ...

I appreciate that man, but you know what. I was also one that said I didn't want to draft hill, and I said this months ago. I said he needed another year of school and that we need a PG.... I am not some blind supporter because I am friends with some of his family, if you ask them I was kind of hard on him, and wanted the knicks to take guys like earl clark if we didn't take a PG.. Now that he is here, I am going to give him every chance to succeed before I write him off. I am aware the kid has skills and is a very good athlete, and I will be pulling for him, first and foremost because he is a knick...

As far as me sweating. I am not sweating at all. Talk to those that know him, that are related to him, and this kid has come a long way, from a kid who wasn't playing ball long, to the 8th pick in the draft. He is a good kid and a very hard worker. His college career numbers and play shows us that. there is no reason for me to believe that he won't be a player in this league...




[Edited by - tkf on 07-10-2009 10:02 PM]

Posted by tkf:

Posted by MS:

I will say there is no chance he is in Amare's league. Hill isn't going to be able to take the ball and dunk on anyone with ease. Amare had serious surgery and still came back and was super athletic. Has anyone watched Amare as a rookie? I'm beginning to question Mike D. Roberson was garbage and we had to have the guy while Wafer who was on our SL roster was actually a valuable piece for the rockets we just let him go, Gallo is the best shooter, Hill reminds him or Amare, Jeffieries is going to be his Diaw. I know PR is important, but comon.

Bip you bring up a good point. The guy isn't a difference maker. That team barely made the tourney and Budinger is an NBA talent and is playing well much better than Hill. He isn't a five and we needed a five, we already have Lee and Gallo at the four. The pick just doesn't make sense.

I have been the biggest amare fan since his HS days. He was a man child, but amare is what? 26 now, and he just started developing a jumper a year or so ago. Hill has been hitting that jumper since last year at arizona. I see the comparisons physically, and both guys just may develop differently. Hill has some skills now that amare didn't have, and one of them were shooting skills. So lets see how hill develops by time he is amare's age, maybe he will get stronger, become more of a force closer to the basket.. right now he is not a scrub, just has a different game at this point in his young career. I think he will make a lot of us happy down the road..

At the same age Stouedmire AVERAGED 21-9 in the NBA---it's an EMBARRASSMENT to compare the two bordering on absurd. I don't know why Mike D put his foot in his mouth there and added 10000 pounds of pressure on Hills back--Im sure he would take that statement back if he could.
He doesnt remind me of Stoudemire in anyway. Young Amare Stoudemire played like a 245 pound Shaq


Funny thing--many people calling Thabeet a bust including those who told me to be quiet up in the thread might take notice that Hahseem has played very well in his first two games with 12 points 11 rebounds 5 blocks with 40 minutes played going 5-6 from the field.


[Edited by - BRIGGS on 10-07-2009 11:02 PM]

Posted by earthmansurfer:

I was leaning, perhaps towards B. Jennings with pick 8.
In yesterdays preseason game: 18pts 6 assists, 6 steals, 4 rebounds. Of note 6-10 FT and 2-5 3pters.
I really really do hope Hill comes around and at least shows something this year... ugh.

edit -
To add:
S. Curry of GS another terrible shooting game.
11pts on 5-15 shooting, 1-5 3pters, 4 assists, 6TO, 3 rebounds and 40 minutes of play!
Yes Briggs, Randolph tore it up! (But cried once)
Thatbeet - 25 mins - 3-3FG for 6pts, 0-2 FT, 7 rebounds and 1BS - Not great for the #2 pick, but he is a "project"

[Edited by - earthmansurfer on 10-08-2009 03:51 AM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by MS:

I will say there is no chance he is in Amare's league. Hill isn't going to be able to take the ball and dunk on anyone with ease. Amare had serious surgery and still came back and was super athletic. Has anyone watched Amare as a rookie? I'm beginning to question Mike D. Roberson was garbage and we had to have the guy while Wafer who was on our SL roster was actually a valuable piece for the rockets we just let him go, Gallo is the best shooter, Hill reminds him or Amare, Jeffieries is going to be his Diaw. I know PR is important, but comon.

Bip you bring up a good point. The guy isn't a difference maker. That team barely made the tourney and Budinger is an NBA talent and is playing well much better than Hill. He isn't a five and we needed a five, we already have Lee and Gallo at the four. The pick just doesn't make sense.

I have been the biggest amare fan since his HS days. He was a man child, but amare is what? 26 now, and he just started developing a jumper a year or so ago. Hill has been hitting that jumper since last year at arizona. I see the comparisons physically, and both guys just may develop differently. Hill has some skills now that amare didn't have, and one of them were shooting skills. So lets see how hill develops by time he is amare's age, maybe he will get stronger, become more of a force closer to the basket.. right now he is not a scrub, just has a different game at this point in his young career. I think he will make a lot of us happy down the road..

At the same age Stouedmire AVERAGED 21-9 in the NBA---it's an EMBARRASSMENT to compare the two bordering on absurd. I don't know why Mike D put his foot in his mouth there and added 10000 pounds of pressure on Hills back--Im sure he would take that statement back if he could.
He doesnt remind me of Stoudemire in anyway. Young Amare Stoudemire played like a 245 pound Shaq


Funny thing--many people calling Thabeet a bust including those who told me to be quiet up in the thread might take notice that Hahseem has played very well in his first two games with 12 points 11 rebounds 5 blocks with 40 minutes played going 5-6 from the field.


[Edited by - BRIGGS on 10-07-2009 11:02 PM]

You can mention me by name, its OK.

By the way, I would never call Thabeet a bust a this point. I put him in the same category as any other rookie in terms of how I judge him. I thought he was overrated by some during last years college season, although folks came to see him differently by the end of the season, as his flaws were exposed.

I have been around for enough years and I've watched sports and been involved as a coach and athlete for many years. I don't need to be the first person to rush and declare an athlete a bust or star based on a small sample of data, which is what some people do. As a coach I have also seen kids make great improvements in their athletic performance over a period of years, and I have had kids who pathetic at first become solid performers through practice and dedication.

Every athlete's evolution as a player is different. Some with "potential" will never amount to anything, while others, with time, will become fine players.

People should be patient with Hill, and for that matter, Thabeet.

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by MS:

I will say there is no chance he is in Amare's league. Hill isn't going to be able to take the ball and dunk on anyone with ease. Amare had serious surgery and still came back and was super athletic. Has anyone watched Amare as a rookie? I'm beginning to question Mike D. Roberson was garbage and we had to have the guy while Wafer who was on our SL roster was actually a valuable piece for the rockets we just let him go, Gallo is the best shooter, Hill reminds him or Amare, Jeffieries is going to be his Diaw. I know PR is important, but comon.

Bip you bring up a good point. The guy isn't a difference maker. That team barely made the tourney and Budinger is an NBA talent and is playing well much better than Hill. He isn't a five and we needed a five, we already have Lee and Gallo at the four. The pick just doesn't make sense.

I have been the biggest amare fan since his HS days. He was a man child, but amare is what? 26 now, and he just started developing a jumper a year or so ago. Hill has been hitting that jumper since last year at arizona. I see the comparisons physically, and both guys just may develop differently. Hill has some skills now that amare didn't have, and one of them were shooting skills. So lets see how hill develops by time he is amare's age, maybe he will get stronger, become more of a force closer to the basket.. right now he is not a scrub, just has a different game at this point in his young career. I think he will make a lot of us happy down the road..

At the same age Stouedmire AVERAGED 21-9 in the NBA---it's an EMBARRASSMENT to compare the two bordering on absurd. I don't know why Mike D put his foot in his mouth there and added 10000 pounds of pressure on Hills back--Im sure he would take that statement back if he could.
He doesnt remind me of Stoudemire in anyway. Young Amare Stoudemire played like a 245 pound Shaq


Funny thing--many people calling Thabeet a bust including those who told me to be quiet up in the thread might take notice that Hahseem has played very well in his first two games with 12 points 11 rebounds 5 blocks with 40 minutes played going 5-6 from the field.


[Edited by - BRIGGS on 10-07-2009 11:02 PM]

You can mention me by name, its OK.

By the way, I would never call Thabeet a bust a this point. I put him in the same category as any other rookie in terms of how I judge him. I thought he was overrated by some during last years college season, although folks came to see him differently by the end of the season, as his flaws were exposed.

I have been around for enough years and I've watched sports and been involved as a coach and athlete for many years. I don't need to be the first person to rush and declare an athlete a bust or star based on a small sample of data, which is what some people do. As a coach I have also seen kids make great improvements in their athletic performance over a period of years, and I have had kids who pathetic at first become solid performers through practice and dedication.

Every athlete's evolution as a player is different. Some with "potential" will never amount to anything, while others, with time, will become fine players.

People should be patient with Hill, and for that matter, Thabeet.

Well said. I think when you've seen development of a no-name player first hand you are less apt to write them off. I remember Hilton Armstrong as a freshman at Uconn. Horrendous. Many fans were wondering why we recruited him. He did suck. However what everyone missed was how hard he would work over the next few years. Same as Kevin Ollie. Nobody gave him an NBA chance. But that guy worked harder then anyone I have ever seen. Now he's a long-time NBa vet. You never know with rookies how they will turn. Remember everyone thought marbury would be one of the greatest PG's of all time based on his first few years. You never know.

BRIGGS wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by nixluva:

Blair? I don't think it would make any sense at all to add him to this team when we needed two things in h
the draft a PG and a big that can help defend and run the floor. Now when Bynum was a raw draft pick no one had a problem with taking a shot and would allow him time to develop, but with Hill he's not being given a chance to develop. He's only been playing organized ball 5 yrs. He made steady and fast progress so far in his college career but still has a lot to learn. My belief is he'll be the better player once he fully develops.

Hill is bigger, faster, more athletic and gives us a big that can block shots. I'll take my chance with Hill.

If game 1 can tell us anything--the players are in two separate worlds right now. Only 1 game but our guy looked like a poor mans Mikey Moore and Blair looked like a version of Moses Malone.

That, my friend, is the problem- 1 game in the pre-season does not really tell us anything.

At some point you must come to understand that a basketball career (or one in any sport) is a marathon and not a sprint.

Do you evaluate your stock picks based on a day's result, or their performance over an extended period of time? Just wondering.

You still think Blair is a one game pre-season wonder or a big missed pick at 29 by the horrible Knick drafting staff?

I know right. When are they putting his jersey in the rafters... can't wait.

When his knees go Bynum on everyone, what will you say then?

oohah wrote:I see a lot of people are predicting a short career for Blair. Would you prefer the Knicks enjoy the short career of a good player or the short career of a ****ty player?

oohah

What makes you think TD will have a short or shoddy career?

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

oohah wrote:I see a lot of people are predicting a short career for Blair. Would you prefer the Knicks enjoy the short career of a good player or the short career of a ****ty player?

oohah

What makes you think TD will have a short or shoddy career?

He will never EVER be anything close to Blair. Blair can do 19/20-13/14 55% right now imho given 36 minutes--I could care less what anyone else thinks--I know he can do it. He's that good RIGHT NOW.

Deja Vu

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

oohah wrote:I see a lot of people are predicting a short career for Blair. Would you prefer the Knicks enjoy the short career of a good player or the short career of a ****ty player?

oohah

What makes you think TD will have a short or shoddy career?

He will never EVER be anything close to Blair. Blair can do 19/20-13/14 55% right now imho given 36 minutes--I could care less what anyone else thinks--I know he can do it. He's that good RIGHT NOW.

Blair measured 6'5 out of shoes and 277 pounds. He's got *maybe* 5 years in this league.. MAYBE.

There is no arguement he is ready right now, but there is a reason he got picked where he got picked and those reasons are legit. If you want to kill the Knicks for not buying a 2nd rounder and taking him go ahead.

Douglas is a player and will be around for a long time.