Posted by bitty41:


If Walsh's agenda was to put together a competitive playoff team for the Eastern Conference that could have been accomplished

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by PresIke:

with djsu and others rationalizing things as "all about 2010" one wonders how any gm ever survives working in such a high pressure environment for long...

it's easy to last in ny as a gm - you just can't FUBAR the situation like isiah...

easy?

hmm...not quite seeing right now how that's clear.

isiah was himself, but also acted in a way that most nyc fans like. always making moves.

think about how this off-season has drove knick fans crazy.

isiah would NEVER do what has taken place this summer.

in other words, isiah, as much as many knick fans hate him, did exactly what many fans wanted, in these sense he always tried to act corporate.

like how disney buys marvel.

like how some company does some b.s., cooking the books, ripping of people's pensions, etc. to make their business seem "reinvented" so the stock prices soar, even if it's a deck made of cards.

how's that for a paradox?

you get what you want, but really, you won't get what you want if you get what you sensationalisticly desire.

isiah's method was not the problem but he was a poor manager and had poor judgement in team building. that's what did him in. kind of like giving a broker $100g's to invest - he suggests a diversified portfolio, then goes invests in all the wrong stocks/funds.

just look at the many posts over the past few months saying other than lebron or wade, they don't want this guy or that guy. heck, more than 1/2 this board doesn't want bosh when he would easily be the best player since ewing.

walsh sold the 2010 bill of goods. it was the first thing he talked about. that's why it's 2010 or bust.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-02-2009 7:26 PM]

Posted by kam77:

Posted by BRIGGS:

This has nothing to do with the Knicks or any other club--we wouldnt want it done to us--nor do I want to wish it on other fans.

So why are you saying we should go after Ramon Sessions and sign him away from the team that drafted him?

Posted by fishmike:

bitty I totally disagree. If we lose to the Magic in the 2nd round its a failure?

All players on a 30 win team are gimmick players and glorified subs until you stick them next to a star and they magically become a "supporting cast"

The core of the team would be 25 years old. Douglas, Chandler, Lebron, Nate, Lee, Gallo... all are 25(ish). Your looking at being in the 2nd round for the next 8 years. So then you keep adding guys until you have to formula.

Going from 23 wins to 32 wins to whatever we win this year to the 2nd round of the playoffs with a core of 25 year old players and Lebron James doesnt equal failure. Not for me it doesnt. I'm pretty sure after losing game 6 or 7 to the Magic, Celtics, Hawks or whoever Knick fans arent going to be like "that was a waste."

All it means is the GM will have more work to do.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by fishmike:

bitty I totally disagree. If we lose to the Magic in the 2nd round its a failure?

All players on a 30 win team are gimmick players and glorified subs until you stick them next to a star and they magically become a "supporting cast"

The core of the team would be 25 years old. Douglas, Chandler, Lebron, Nate, Lee, Gallo... all are 25(ish). Your looking at being in the 2nd round for the next 8 years. So then you keep adding guys until you have to formula.

Going from 23 wins to 32 wins to whatever we win this year to the 2nd round of the playoffs with a core of 25 year old players and Lebron James doesnt equal failure. Not for me it doesnt. I'm pretty sure after losing game 6 or 7 to the Magic, Celtics, Hawks or whoever Knick fans arent going to be like "that was a waste."

All it means is the GM will have more work to do.

If you've put your franchise on hold for two years and Lebron leaves a bona fide contender to sign with the Knicks the media and fans alike will be expecting a Boston Celtics turnaround i.e. NBA Finals again I don't agree with that but I just think that's a realistic take on what the atmosphere will become in Knicksland.

From what I've seen of Chandler, Gallo, Nate, I'm not terribly impressed nor do I think they could get it done in a playoff situation. If you can't get it done against the likes of Memphis at home what are the chances that you'll be getting it done against teams that actually have playoff experience and/or have been to the NBA Finals? Is it possible: yes, likely: no.

I don't find any of these guys overly talented and thus far their play has not changed that opinion. That's just my opinion because we'll probably agree to disagree on this front.

Again Fishmike I think it would be very naive to think that if Lebron signs with NY the expectations would be anything less then a Final's appearance. Now yes you personally might be satisfied with a hard-fought second round exit but the NY media and majority of fans will not like at this as a success.

in the first year? i think if lebron never makes the finals here it'd be a failure, but i think he would have a grace period.

and judging gallo, chandler and nate at this point in their careers just makes you sound like an arrogant blowhard. please stop.

Posted by Bonn1997:

You talking about the expectations being the finals in year 1? Or just over the next few years? Also, do you mean "expectations" or "requirements"? You seem to be implying the latter. If expectations aren't met in year 1 and you lose in the 2nd round, you've still got so many more years to build around Lebron (and the cap space to do it with) that I don't see what the tragedy would be.