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kam77
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9/16/2009  1:11 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by martin:

From HoBeck:

Team officials regard the 21-year-old Gallinari as the most gifted and versatile player on the roster. He is already their best shooter and passer and, at 6 feet 10 inches, can play multiple positions.

what? he's a better passer than duhon, who averaged 8 assists? nate? hughes? douglas? this is a pretty significant statement.

missed that. Strange that Beck would make such a declaration. Seems to be more of a conservative write in these regards.

Was Stephon Marbury a great passer? Not really... but the ball was in his hands a lot and he racked up assists based on the stranglehold he had on the offense. Duhon played a ton of minutes to get those 8 assists. Was he a great passer? Not really.

Bird could pass the ball. Maybe Gallo is the same. Sucks that Bip doesn't see the talent in this kid.
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9/16/2009  1:13 PM
I think Gallo is going to be in for a tough go on the defensive end just because he will be guarding some players that are quicker than he is. That being said even limited last year I don't think his one on one defense was as bad as people made it out to be. I think Igoudala posterized him and from that moment forward he's considered a sieve. I didn't see it that way. I didn't think he was a good defender but I think he was far from a liability. As a matter of fact the 2 or 3 times that teams tried to go at him down the stretch it backfired on them(I remember Chicago and another game but can't remember who it was). But the reality is that we haven't seen a healthy Gallo for a long stretch, so it really remains to be seen. If he really was hurt as bad as it seems last year he could take a significant step forward this year because he did show us talent(despite my own inability to admit that he has talent, I do think he has talent) and if you've had a bad back you know it's no joke.
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9/16/2009  1:25 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by martin:

From HoBeck:

Team officials regard the 21-year-old Gallinari as the most gifted and versatile player on the roster. He is already their best shooter and passer and, at 6 feet 10 inches, can play multiple positions.

what? he's a better passer than duhon, who averaged 8 assists? nate? hughes? douglas? this is a pretty significant statement.

Marbury averaged 20 and 10 almost for his career but in the flow of the offense was a bad passer.

I agree bip.

Also a lot of duhons assists were due to him running the offense. Pick and rolls and kick outs. I agree that gallo might be the best passer now. Gallo has the ability to find guys open and make his teamates better.
Also I gotta say Gallo's comments on pressure is very scary. I really think the Knicks got a gem.
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9/16/2009  1:26 PM
I hope Gallo lives up to the hype. I hope the back holds up.
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9/16/2009  1:34 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by martin:

From HoBeck:

Team officials regard the 21-year-old Gallinari as the most gifted and versatile player on the roster. He is already their best shooter and passer and, at 6 feet 10 inches, can play multiple positions.

what? he's a better passer than duhon, who averaged 8 assists? nate? hughes? douglas? this is a pretty significant statement.

missed that. Strange that Beck would make such a declaration. Seems to be more of a conservative write in these regards.

Was Stephon Marbury a great passer? Not really... but the ball was in his hands a lot and he racked up assists based on the stranglehold he had on the offense. Duhon played a ton of minutes to get those 8 assists. Was he a great passer? Not really.

Bird could pass the ball. Maybe Gallo is the same. Sucks that Bip doesn't see the talent in this kid.

oh... I was commenting more on the fact that we have hardly seen Gallo pass at all, what with the 20 or so games he has played. That's all.
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9/16/2009  1:37 PM
Posted by King1:

Maybe if the guards and wings wouldnt let their guy a free walk to the basket then our defense would be better. Just look up how many wings vs big men torched us last year. If you think Lee defense is bad which it is wait until you see the rooster defense. The good part is MDA doesnt stress defense so Lee and the rooster will play a lot.

Based on what I saw last year, Gallinari seems to have better lateral movement than Lee, and is longer. He will also make an effort on D, which is more than half the battle, IMO.

... and the crack about MDA and D is rather passe at this point.

Guys have to step up and take personal responsibility for their D. If that does not happen, nothing the coaches do on the defensive end will mean anything.
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9/16/2009  1:44 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Gallo is as tall as Bargnani now. That should make the comparisons more interesting.

imho, two different players. one is a big man that can play center and power forward. the other is a sf that can play power forward when going small but not for long stretches.

i also think gallo will be the 1st or 2nd option in the volume offense of d'antoni. bargs is the 3rd option behind bosh + turk. btw, bargs is closer to 7'1.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-16-2009 1:44 PM]
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9/16/2009  1:46 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by King1:

Maybe if the guards and wings wouldnt let their guy a free walk to the basket then our defense would be better. Just look up how many wings vs big men torched us last year. If you think Lee defense is bad which it is wait until you see the rooster defense. The good part is MDA doesnt stress defense so Lee and the rooster will play a lot.

Based on what I saw last year, Gallinari seems to have better lateral movement than Lee, and is longer. He will also make an effort on D, which is more than half the battle, IMO.

... and the crack about MDA and D is rather passe at this point.

Guys have to step up and take personal responsibility for their D. If that does not happen, nothing the coaches do on the defensive end will mean anything.

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9/16/2009  2:02 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by martin:

From HoBeck:

Team officials regard the 21-year-old Gallinari as the most gifted and versatile player on the roster. He is already their best shooter and passer and, at 6 feet 10 inches, can play multiple positions.

what? he's a better passer than duhon, who averaged 8 assists? nate? hughes? douglas? this is a pretty significant statement.

Marbury averaged 20 and 10 almost for his career but in the flow of the offense was a bad passer.

Also I gotta say Gallo's comments on pressure is very scary.

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9/16/2009  2:05 PM
If defense mattered you wouldnt have a 4 guarding Shaq and Yao Ming. He wants a small center who can run the court and be a matchup problem for the other big. I really dont think Curry, and Hill will play much this year. I think you will see a 8 man rotation from MDA like he has done he whole career. Lee gets overpowered inside at 260 what is going to happen at Hill at 210?
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9/16/2009  2:06 PM
Also, when it comes to D, you can't expect miracles from a poor roster! You have to remember that we had no quality C last year and barely had a real PF either. Lee is kind of a half PF. He doesn't play physical enough, but uses his great anticipation and movement to get a lot of bounds. He's got the great hands and can finish, but doesn't have any real post game and not much range on his jumper either. On D, Lee doesn't play like a PF.

This year at least we've got more options. How they'll actually play is another story, but there's more size on the roster and overall more talented bigs. Darko, Curry and Hill is a much better start in terms of post players than we've had.
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9/16/2009  2:08 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The D will improve. The scheme will be more completely established this time. Without the type of team changing trades we had last year I expect the team to gel faster and for it to be more effective. We played .500 ball with Zach and Jamal as major players and their D has to be some of the worst in the league. I actually think the guys we have now can defend better. Gallo moves better than Zach and with his length should be able to stay back and prevent so much easy penetration. Chandler and Hughes to me aren't bad defenders either. If you've got a healthy Duhon, Douglas and add some minutes from Darko that to me should lead to some better D.

Gallo wasn't that bad on D even with his bad back limiting him. I suspect he'll be OK on D this year. Of course he'll get torched by the best SF/PF's like anyone else if he doesn't get some help. The idea tho is to try and force bad jumpers and for that you don't have to be a great man defender. You just have to learn how to keep your spacing and as a team close off penetrators. Gallo should be good at playing the passing lanes and getting some deflections and steals.

I agree with this observation. I think with a full training camp and without changing the landscape of our rotation, this team will be very successful this year.
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9/16/2009  2:09 PM
Posted by King1:

If defense mattered you wouldnt have a 4 guarding Shaq and Yao Ming. He wants a small center who can run the court and be a matchup problem for the other big. I really dont think Curry, and Hill will play much this year. I think you will see a 8 man rotation from MDA like he has done he whole career. Lee gets overpowered inside at 260 what is going to happen at Hill at 210?

c'mon man. you don't have to exaggerate for effect. everyone knows lee plays at 280 and hill at 190.
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9/16/2009  2:16 PM
Marv do you think I am wrong on thos two weights? Do UK fans really think Curry and Darko are going to see alot of clock this year?
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9/16/2009  2:17 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by King1:

Maybe if the guards and wings wouldnt let their guy a free walk to the basket then our defense would be better. Just look up how many wings vs big men torched us last year. If you think Lee defense is bad which it is wait until you see the rooster defense. The good part is MDA doesnt stress defense so Lee and the rooster will play a lot.

Based on what I saw last year, Gallinari seems to have better lateral movement than Lee, and is longer. He will also make an effort on D, which is more than half the battle, IMO.

... and the crack about MDA and D is rather passe at this point.

Guys have to step up and take personal responsibility for their D. If that does not happen, nothing the coaches do on the defensive end will mean anything.

And that's even with stiff legs. Amazing.
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9/16/2009  2:28 PM
Posted by King1:

If defense mattered you wouldnt have a 4 guarding Shaq and Yao Ming. He wants a small center who can run the court and be a matchup problem for the other big. I really dont think Curry, and Hill will play much this year. I think you will see a 8 man rotation from MDA like he has done he whole career. Lee gets overpowered inside at 260 what is going to happen at Hill at 210?

So your criticism of MDA's guarding of big man is not based on actuality. If you look a the roster other than Lee there was no one to guard Shaq and Yao(unless you are counting Jerome James, and I really hope you aren't counting Jerome James). This year hasn't happened yet so is it entirely fair to criticize a guy based on something that hasn't happened yet? I'm not saying that you are right or wrong, I'm just saying that if you are going to argue a point you have to have some substance.

The return of Curry will help and Darko was brought in for a reason. The exact reason you are saying that we are ignoring.

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9/16/2009  2:33 PM
Posted by King1:

Marv do you think I am wrong on thos two weights? Do UK fans really think Curry and Darko are going to see alot of clock this year?

If they are in shape and playing well, YES

Why would they not?

The two years prior to playing for D'Antoni Shaq averaged 28.4 and 28.6 minutes. With D'Antoni he averaged 28.7. Where is the evidence that D'Antoni will not utilize a big man? If Curry is in shape and plays hard he will be used.
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9/16/2009  2:55 PM
If Curry is in shape and plays hard he will play. PETA hiring Michael Vick as a spokesperson, Bernie Madoff getting man of the year, is more likely to happen than Curry giving this team anything. If Jeffires hit 50% of his three points shots this year he will start and average 20 points a game.
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9/16/2009  3:04 PM
Posted by King1:

Marv do you think I am wrong on thos two weights? Do UK fans really think Curry and Darko are going to see alot of clock this year?

hill weighed in at 232 at the combine.

lee is suddenly 260? you were telling us last year he was at 240.
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9/16/2009  3:22 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by King1:

Marv do you think I am wrong on thos two weights? Do UK fans really think Curry and Darko are going to see alot of clock this year?

hill weighed in at 232 at the combine.

lee is suddenly 260? you were telling us last year he was at 240.


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