Jason Williams and Jamal Tinsely these are good players? They have had problems every where they went. Tinsely was banished for an entire season and Williams was injured for all last year. And if Tim Thomas is the vetran leadership you are bringing in you are in serious trouble. There are plenty of guys you could have added for the lle to fill the same role.

Walsh needs to get on the same page with Mike. Walsh had no idea he was going to botch the Marbury situation so badly, which is a direct lack of communication. Again the franchise looked bad. You want to get your coach players he wants

Eric Gordon was who I was talking about last year as well as Lopez. I just don't see a lot of potential in Hill. There is doing due delligence and then there is looking into past their prime players that don't really make a difference.

I disagree about Walsh getting on the same page as D'. I think the GM has to have a global vision of what the team needs while a coach just wants to win and wants to do that right away. I think Walsh's mistakes have come when he has allowed D' too much input(08 draft, Roberson, Marbs). I also think that you are selling Tinsley and Williams short. Williams was a point guard on a championship team and Tinsley is a Walsh guy who when healthy and allowed to play puts up very good numbers. I am not a Tim Thomas fan but reports from last year were that he helped the young guys and he knows the system. Guys do grow up and mature. Taking a guy that contribute and signing them to a one year deal does not impact the GM's plan for the future, is low risk, and should improve the team. In my opinion Williams and Tinsley are both better points than Duhon. I am not sure what the frustration with Walsh is at this point. He has not had alot of options and he has not lost out on Nate, Lee or Sessions at this point. I don't think you can fault him for not commiting a ton of money to guys who aren't being offered it from anyone else. I also don't think it is a reflection on Walsh that big name free agents chose to take more money or to not uproot their family and have a better chance to win. I think guys like Hill and Kidd listened and entertained the idea of playing for the Knicks because of the respect that they have for Walsh. The Knicks are not an easy or quick fix. I think Walsh is doing a good job up to this point other than the 08 draft.

We know that Marbury ****ed up his own situation. But, the prudent thing would have been to play him and not make an even bigger circus out of things. He played him during the preseason and he actually played well and was getting people involved. And considering we were depleted all year at that guard spot and burned out Duhon it was not a wise decision.

If we are just going to be screwing around with second tier guys sign AI to be your starting two guard and let's start the season. At least it makes the team relevant and interesting.

We will see what Gallo does. I don't think he is going to be a bad player and I like some of what I saw I just think you have three players that will have a more impactful career selected behind him.

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Posted by MS:

We know that Marbury ****ed up his own situation. But, the prudent thing would have been to play him and not make an even bigger circus out of things. He played him during the preseason and he actually played well and was getting people involved. And considering we were depleted all year at that guard spot and burned out Duhon it was not a wise decision.

If we are just going to be screwing around with second tier guys sign AI to be your starting two guard and let's start the season. At least it makes the team relevant and interesting.

We will see what Gallo does. I don't think he is going to be a bad player and I like some of what I saw I just think you have three players that will have a more impactful career selected behind him.

Marbury ****ed up every playing situation he has every been in and you want to play him one MORE season cause he had an OK preseason? Well, the dude had his opportunity and turned it down. And now he is eating vaseline and the like and crying on cue. Dude is so good, PG strapped teams won't offer him the LLE.

The prudent thing has always been the same with Marbury: marginalize him and/or cut him. No 2-ways around it.

... or trade him to Isiah for an unprotected pick or two and massive salary relief.

Posted by knicks1248:

MARTIN. I don't know, didn't doc rivers kinda rave about him, as a matter of fact the big three over there had nothing but good things to say about him..but who knows, that guy is as weird as it gets for a once promising player

the team raved about him so much they withdrew their $1.3M offer. And this from a team that still doesn't have a backup PG and is gonna be in a dog fight in the playoffs.

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Posted by martin:

Posted by knicks1248:

MARTIN. I don't know, didn't doc rivers kinda rave about him, as a matter of fact the big three over there had nothing but good things to say about him..but who knows, that guy is as weird as it gets for a once promising player

the team raved about him so much they withdrew their $1.3M offer. And this from a team that still doesn't have a backup PG and is gonna be in a dog fight in the playoffs.

Was that before his internet shananigans

yes.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by martin:

Posted by knicks1248:

Posted by martin:

Posted by knicks1248:

MARTIN. I don't know, didn't doc rivers kinda rave about him, as a matter of fact the big three over there had nothing but good things to say about him..but who knows, that guy is as weird as it gets for a once promising player

the team raved about him so much they withdrew their $1.3M offer. And this from a team that still doesn't have a backup PG and is gonna be in a dog fight in the playoffs.

Was that before his internet shananigans

yes.

Right. So, after seeing that - you never know, the may reconsider.

So his internet shenanigans may have put Marbury into another box?

How ironic.

Posted by MS:

KNICKS WORKING OUT TROY HUDSON

On Thursday morning, point guard Troy Hudson will work out for the New York Knicks. Last week, Hudson held a work out in Las Vegas for the Oklahoma City Thunder, Memphis Grizzlies, Philadelphia 76ers, and Detroit Pistons. New York was pursuing free agent Ramon Sessions, but sources tell RealGM's Alex Kennedy that talks have broken down because the Knicks will not offer anything more than a one year contract. Hudson has averaged 9.0 points and 3.4 over the course of his eleven-year career.

-Martin if you don't think this is embarrassing I don't know what to tell you.

Why does it matter who a team works out? The Knicks need players, this much is known, why is it bad for them to look at guys that they feel that they might be able to catch lightning in a bottle with? Who cares.

i thought the knicks couldn't sign Sessions to anything less than a two year deal? i thought offer sheets had to be for more than one year or you couldn't offer them. this sounds like baloney. nothing like a slow news week.

Posted by MS:

KNICKS WORKING OUT TROY HUDSON

On Thursday morning, point guard Troy Hudson will work out for the New York Knicks. Last week, Hudson held a work out in Las Vegas for the Oklahoma City Thunder, Memphis Grizzlies, Philadelphia 76ers, and Detroit Pistons. New York was pursuing free agent Ramon Sessions, but sources tell RealGM's Alex Kennedy that talks have broken down because the Knicks will not offer anything more than a one year contract. Hudson has averaged 9.0 points and 3.4 over the course of his eleven-year career.

-Martin if you don't think this is embarrassing I don't know what to tell you.

it's embarrassing that you didn't answer any of my questions in response to your original posts.

Posted by BRIGGS:

It has become obvious that no salary is going to be added into 2010--bottom line. If this was not true there would be a deal in place with this player. They are not trading David Lee for anything that has to do with 2010 and they seem intent on holding him hostage for their price in 2010. I can only speculate that Lebron James has somehow contacted the Knicks and made it clear that he will be a Knick in 2010 because this is the ONE and ONLY reason to justify present actions. If so---10000% understandable-- if not it could be a massive set back.

I am sry but signing Lee to the money that his agent thinks he "should" get instead of the money that the league thinks he is "worth" is a massive setback, even if no Lebron in 2010 ? When we had all of them players signed to bad contracts ppl were bitching and now that we are trying to avoid that its a major setback? So which is better: more players with bad contracts and less cap space OR less players with bad contracts and more capspace? I mean, i know Knicks are pretty bad, but this is David Lee we are talking about, not some star player. . .