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Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

your right Briggs. My bad. I will go get you Chris Paul. Is that it? How about Dwight Howard to patrol the post and we need some fresh legs... Lets get Durant for the wing.

Welcome to the conversation.

Oh.. and your wrong about Joe Johnson and Chandler winning you a title. Sometimes stockpiling the best talent available works out OK you know? Detroit won a title doing that.

The Heat used their cap space to give Odom $10mm a year after the Brand deal fell through. They later traded him, Butler and EJ(?) for Shaq and won a title.

Your gigs getting a bit old chap.

My bet is that no one here except you would be excited to spend 150mm $ on JJ and Tyson Chandler and think we are going anywhere but 43 wins. Im sorry you don't agree but this would be brutal.
Tyson --Ive avg more than 10 points in my career once Chandler and Joe I will be used up halfway through my contract Johnson. Oh me oh my

who said excited? I'm talking about adding available talent. Once Lebron and Wade turn down your max offers do you try to add 2nd tier talent and keep moving forward? I think you do, and I think those arent elite players but they are high caliber players. Chandler was on the condition of his health (he's 26).

Ive given two examples of how collecting 2nd tier talent directly translated into winning a title with Det and Miami.

Why dont you give me something Briggs? Marcus Williams and Rodney White oh me oh my.

Since I know Briggs will now be saying "the guy that wants to build around JJ and Chandler" lets just clarify something.

MY POINTis simply that after the top tier talent resigns with their current teams it still makes sense to go after the 2nd tier guys with something below max contracts. Especially when you mix those players with young cheap talent your in a situation to both get better and make a monster trade down the road.

here is the bottom line fishmike--if I was running things--it's pretty dam simple--i am adding a star--I will role out every carpet for Kobe Lebron and Wade and go all out. If not I will still be interested in only Bosh for the full max --I don't think he is a star but I think he is a great player who is worth being a max player and with the right people can help win a championship a big role. After that---Im not handing max money to anyone--Ill wait and go for different avenues like taking on salary for one year for picks and young players. I will continue to make my team more competitive every way I can but I WILL NOT hand out max contract to players who DO NOT deserve them. If I am patient now I will be patient in 2010---aggressive with the top 3 guys I mentioned then very very patient and opportunistic. Maybe I can add Bosh in FA and Bynum in a trade if the Lakers find trouble with their rotation next year.

To me adding Ramon Sessions for the MLE is something I would do--it's aggressive but smart and the right price. I want to build a team--I need 5 good players 3 great players 1 superstar and a bench that makes sense. I would consider Bosh a great player I would consider Sessions a good player who could make it to great level. I consider Lee a good player. the top 10 list for next year is severely over rated after top 4--

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 08-03-2009 9:53 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

your right Briggs. My bad. I will go get you Chris Paul. Is that it? How about Dwight Howard to patrol the post and we need some fresh legs... Lets get Durant for the wing.

Welcome to the conversation.

Oh.. and your wrong about Joe Johnson and Chandler winning you a title. Sometimes stockpiling the best talent available works out OK you know? Detroit won a title doing that.

The Heat used their cap space to give Odom $10mm a year after the Brand deal fell through. They later traded him, Butler and EJ(?) for Shaq and won a title.

Your gigs getting a bit old chap.

My bet is that no one here except you would be excited to spend 150mm $ on JJ and Tyson Chandler and think we are going anywhere but 43 wins. Im sorry you don't agree but this would be brutal.
Tyson --Ive avg more than 10 points in my career once Chandler and Joe I will be used up halfway through my contract Johnson. Oh me oh my

who said excited? I'm talking about adding available talent. Once Lebron and Wade turn down your max offers do you try to add 2nd tier talent and keep moving forward? I think you do, and I think those arent elite players but they are high caliber players. Chandler was on the condition of his health (he's 26).

Ive given two examples of how collecting 2nd tier talent directly translated into winning a title with Det and Miami.

Why dont you give me something Briggs? Marcus Williams and Rodney White oh me oh my.

Since I know Briggs will now be saying "the guy that wants to build around JJ and Chandler" lets just clarify something.

MY POINTis simply that after the top tier talent resigns with their current teams it still makes sense to go after the 2nd tier guys with something below max contracts. Especially when you mix those players with young cheap talent your in a situation to both get better and make a monster trade down the road.

here is the bottom line fishmike--if I was running things--it's pretty dam simple--i am adding a star--I will role out every carpet for Kobe Lebron and Wade and go all out. If not I will still be interested in only Bosh for the full max --I don't think he is a star but I think he is a great player who is worth being a max player and with the right people can help win a championship a big role. After that---Im not handing max money to anyone--Ill wait and go for different avenues like taking on salary for one year for picks and young players. I will continue to make my team more competitive every way I can but I WILL NOT hand out max contract to players who DO NOT deserve them. If I am patient now I will be patient in 2010---aggressive with the top 3 guys I mentioned then very very patient and opportunistic. Maybe I can add Bosh in FA and Bynum in a trade if the Lakers find trouble with their rotation next year.

To me adding Ramon Sessions for the MLE is something I would do--it's aggressive but smart and the right price. I want to build a team--I need 5 good players 3 great players 1 superstar and a bench that makes sense. I would consider Bosh a great player I would consider Sessions a good player who could make it to great level. I consider Lee a good player. the top 10 list for next year is severely over rated after top 4--

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 08-03-2009 9:53 PM]

Dirk is overrated?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-04-2009 07:42 AM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

your right Briggs. My bad. I will go get you Chris Paul. Is that it? How about Dwight Howard to patrol the post and we need some fresh legs... Lets get Durant for the wing.

Welcome to the conversation.

Oh.. and your wrong about Joe Johnson and Chandler winning you a title. Sometimes stockpiling the best talent available works out OK you know? Detroit won a title doing that.

The Heat used their cap space to give Odom $10mm a year after the Brand deal fell through. They later traded him, Butler and EJ(?) for Shaq and won a title.

Your gigs getting a bit old chap.

My bet is that no one here except you would be excited to spend 150mm $ on JJ and Tyson Chandler and think we are going anywhere but 43 wins. Im sorry you don't agree but this would be brutal.
Tyson --Ive avg more than 10 points in my career once Chandler and Joe I will be used up halfway through my contract Johnson. Oh me oh my

who said excited? I'm talking about adding available talent. Once Lebron and Wade turn down your max offers do you try to add 2nd tier talent and keep moving forward? I think you do, and I think those arent elite players but they are high caliber players. Chandler was on the condition of his health (he's 26).

Ive given two examples of how collecting 2nd tier talent directly translated into winning a title with Det and Miami.

Why dont you give me something Briggs? Marcus Williams and Rodney White oh me oh my.

Since I know Briggs will now be saying "the guy that wants to build around JJ and Chandler" lets just clarify something.

MY POINTis simply that after the top tier talent resigns with their current teams it still makes sense to go after the 2nd tier guys with something below max contracts. Especially when you mix those players with young cheap talent your in a situation to both get better and make a monster trade down the road.

here is the bottom line fishmike--if I was running things--it's pretty dam simple--i am adding a star--I will role out every carpet for Kobe Lebron and Wade and go all out. If not I will still be interested in only Bosh for the full max --I don't think he is a star but I think he is a great player who is worth being a max player and with the right people can help win a championship a big role. After that---Im not handing max money to anyone--Ill wait and go for different avenues like taking on salary for one year for picks and young players. I will continue to make my team more competitive every way I can but I WILL NOT hand out max contract to players who DO NOT deserve them. If I am patient now I will be patient in 2010---aggressive with the top 3 guys I mentioned then very very patient and opportunistic. Maybe I can add Bosh in FA and Bynum in a trade if the Lakers find trouble with their rotation next year.

To me adding Ramon Sessions for the MLE is something I would do--it's aggressive but smart and the right price. I want to build a team--I need 5 good players 3 great players 1 superstar and a bench that makes sense. I would consider Bosh a great player I would consider Sessions a good player who could make it to great level. I consider Lee a good player. the top 10 list for next year is severely over rated after top 4--

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 08-03-2009 9:53 PM]

its not simple. You act as it adding as star is a trivial task. Teams go decades and cant get one. The Bulls have had 10 years of cap space and lottery picks. They have offered the city to one star after another and come up short.

You think I dont want to add a star? Of course I do. Its just not something you can plan for as you would suggest.

The comments about Joe Johnson and Chandler were about one thing... if you CANT get a star its still worth using cap space to try and improve the team.

Hey Briggs.. if your all about getting a star and winning a title why did you pine and post a new thread about getting Sharif Abdur Rahim every day for 2 months? Relax amigo.

We have no pick next year and its not likey we go into a tank mode to get a high lottery pick in year three of Donnie and MDA. So the next best thing is continue to add as much cheap young talent as possible and improve the team. If that means signing Joe Johnson and Chandler because those are the only FAs we can get OK.

We have been a lottery team for what? 8 years?

Is Lee worth more than Tyson Chandler? Personally, I would rather have Chandler.

Both would be even nicer. Thats a pretty good froncourt with Hill in the mix as well.

Your not getting Chris Paul because you have cap space. Sorry dude.