[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Only 1 team wanted Chauncey Billups when he was 26 for the MLE
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 5 of 5 « First‹ Previous 3  4  5 
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
Markji
Posts: 22753
Alba Posts: -4
Joined: 9/14/2007
Member: #1673
USA
7/28/2009  6:23 PM
How far away do you think Toney Douglas is before he can play a descent point off the bench? This year, if no trades or signings, we have as PG - Duhon with Douglas off the bench to get experience. Nate can also fill in at either guard position. By 2010, can Douglas be as good as Sessions is right now? Probably no one really knows but we do need to give Douglas playing time to develop.

Douglas has a better shot than Sessions. Douglas plays excellent D. If we get Sessions we have to trade Duhon...who just so happens to be our best 3 pt shooter last year (39.1%) of the regular players (not counting Gallinari who hardly played but shot 44.4% and Tim Thomas who is unfortunately gone - 42.1%.) If we sign Sessions, which I am NOT against, then I think we have to move either Nate or Hughes....and hopefully Jeffries for his 2010 salary.

[Edited by - markji on 07-28-2009 6:25 PM]
The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. Tom Clancy - author
AUTOADVERT
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/28/2009  8:00 PM
Sessions is already a 15/8/4 PG as a starter. It's a stretch to think a 29th pick is gonna fill that role any time soon if at all.
McK1
Posts: 26527
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2005
Member: #964
7/28/2009  8:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sessions is already a 15/8/4 PG as a starter. It's a stretch to think a 29th pick is gonna fill that role any time soon if at all.

did you think an undrafted rookie with only a quarter of a season under his belt would average 15/8/4 when he started pg his second year?
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/29/2009  5:44 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sessions is already a 15/8/4 PG as a starter. It's a stretch to think a 29th pick is gonna fill that role any time soon if at all.

did you think an undrafted rookie with only a quarter of a season under his belt would average 15/8/4 when he started pg his second year?
One highly improbably occurrence does not make another, unrelated improbable occurrence more likely.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-29-2009 05:55 AM]
fishmike
Posts: 53902
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
7/29/2009  9:51 AM
its not that improbably. Lots of good PGs go very late in the draft, usually because of size. Didnt Duhon go for 12/8 last year? He's a 2nd rounder. The kid from the Heat was very good and started 82 games he as a 2nd rounder. Nelson (Orl) was very late in the first round and he's that productive. Monta Ellis is a 2nd round stud. Jarrett Jack is a 14/4 guy and was picked 22. Tony Parker picked 28. Mo Williams was a 2nd rounder.

There are a bunch of very good guards taken late in the first round or 2nd round in the league. Most have two things in common.. they were very good college players and fell in the draft because they are about 6 feet tall and teams dont want to draft players that are 6 feet tall with lottery picks.

Toney Douglas fits the blue print of these players. He was a great college player. He was a great scorer and shooter (not just a volume guy). He was a leader on his team and a clutch performer. He's tested out as a very good athlete but last the 37 inch vert, the 6'10 wingspan or the 6'4 height without shoes.

The Knicks worked him out and were totally sold on him. If he was off the board they were dumping that pick.

Should be interesting to see how he plays as MDA and DW were so high on him
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
McK1
Posts: 26527
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2005
Member: #964
7/29/2009  10:13 AM
of the many things that go into what a ball playr will and won't become where they were drafted is the least deciding factor

I'm quite sure there is an upper deck basketball cards or nba2k9 forum somewhere where your theories actually make sense though bonnie.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
Markji
Posts: 22753
Alba Posts: -4
Joined: 9/14/2007
Member: #1673
USA
7/29/2009  10:19 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sessions is already a 15/8/4 PG as a starter. It's a stretch to think a 29th pick is gonna fill that role any time soon if at all.
We don't need Douglas to be a great PG this season. That is the point. We need allow him to develop and then be a good PG next year and maybe/hopefully develop into an really good PG in 2011.

Sessions didnt do much his first year. I predict Douglas will have a better first year than Sessions did.
The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. Tom Clancy - author
fishmike
Posts: 53902
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
7/29/2009  10:33 AM
Douglas is a 6'2 SG. But he does have a pretty good wingpan and was a great defender in CBB. He can really score from everywhere and I believe he tested as the fastest guard in the draft. He definatly has a place here. Question is where. MDA has no problem going small and with 3 guard sets so we will see
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/29/2009  1:06 PM
Posted by McK1:

of the many things that go into what a ball playr will and won't become where they were drafted is the least deciding factor

I'm quite sure there is an upper deck basketball cards or nba2k9 forum somewhere where your theories actually make sense though bonnie.

That's just simply wrong. On average, higher draft picks definitely turn out to be better than lower draft picks. Otherwise, teams would never try to trade up. That's not to say there are no exceptions. I'm still hoping to see your dream team of Kobe and Vince--"It's so crazy it just might work!"
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/29/2009  1:08 PM
What percentage of the all-star guards (or all NBA 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team guards) in the NBA this decade were drafted #29 or later? That should be a simple test of your ideas. I have to go travel soon and don't have time to check now though.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-29-2009 1:09 PM]
McK1
Posts: 26527
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2005
Member: #964
7/29/2009  1:12 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

What percentage of the all-star guards (or all NBA 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team guards) in the NBA this decade were drafted #29 or later? That should be a simple test of your ideas. I have to go travel soon and don't have time to check now though.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-29-2009 1:09 PM]

guys becoming all-stars as late picks has nothing to do with whats being debated
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/29/2009  1:17 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

What percentage of the all-star guards (or all NBA 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team guards) in the NBA this decade were drafted #29 or later? That should be a simple test of your ideas. I have to go travel soon and don't have time to check now though.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-29-2009 1:09 PM]

guys becoming all-stars as late picks has nothing to do with whats being debated
What is it that YOU would like to debate then? Please propose a way to test the idea too so that it's not just me throwing my opinion and you throwing yours out there.
McK1
Posts: 26527
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2005
Member: #964
7/29/2009  1:25 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

What percentage of the all-star guards (or all NBA 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team guards) in the NBA this decade were drafted #29 or later? That should be a simple test of your ideas. I have to go travel soon and don't have time to check now though.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-29-2009 1:09 PM]

guys becoming all-stars as late picks has nothing to do with whats being debated
What is it that YOU would like to debate then? Please propose a way to test the idea too so that it's not just me throwing my opinion and you throwing yours out there.

like i said where a person gets drafted is the least deciding factor on what kind of player they will become.

case in point: there were 2 people on the Olympic team who were 2nd round picks
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/29/2009  5:59 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

What percentage of the all-star guards (or all NBA 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team guards) in the NBA this decade were drafted #29 or later? That should be a simple test of your ideas. I have to go travel soon and don't have time to check now though.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-29-2009 1:09 PM]

guys becoming all-stars as late picks has nothing to do with whats being debated
What is it that YOU would like to debate then? Please propose a way to test the idea too so that it's not just me throwing my opinion and you throwing yours out there.

like i said where a person gets drafted is the least deciding factor on what kind of player they will become.

case in point: there were 2 people on the Olympic team who were 2nd round picks

HALF of the draft picks are in the 2nd round. So if only two out of twelve (or is it 15?) on the olympic team were from the 2nd round, it's pretty good evidence that where a player is drafted IS a strong predictor of the success he'll have in the NBA.
McK1
Posts: 26527
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2005
Member: #964
7/29/2009  7:08 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

What percentage of the all-star guards (or all NBA 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team guards) in the NBA this decade were drafted #29 or later? That should be a simple test of your ideas. I have to go travel soon and don't have time to check now though.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-29-2009 1:09 PM]

guys becoming all-stars as late picks has nothing to do with whats being debated
What is it that YOU would like to debate then? Please propose a way to test the idea too so that it's not just me throwing my opinion and you throwing yours out there.

like i said where a person gets drafted is the least deciding factor on what kind of player they will become.

case in point: there were 2 people on the Olympic team who were 2nd round picks

HALF of the draft picks are in the 2nd round. So if only two out of twelve (or is it 15?) on the olympic team were from the 2nd round, it's pretty good evidence that where a player is drafted IS a strong predictor of the success he'll have in the NBA.

once again you're running from the actual debate. Its no point. I'd rather watch 24 hours of Marbury streaming than continue this.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
7/29/2009  7:25 PM
Posted by Markji:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Sessions is already a 15/8/4 PG as a starter. It's a stretch to think a 29th pick is gonna fill that role any time soon if at all.
We don't need Douglas to be a great PG this season. That is the point. We need allow him to develop and then be a good PG next year and maybe/hopefully develop into an really good PG in 2011.

Sessions didnt do much his first year. I predict Douglas will have a better first year than Sessions did.

Sessions didnt play for the Bucks until the end of the season but did have some eye popping games.

Sessions has showed that he is capable of some big time NBA numbers from every category and doesnt turn the ball over. I think Douglas could be better off with some D league development time where he can play 40 minutes and run a a club before he plays with the Knicks.

Do you honestly think that Douglas would have any shot in H to score 44 points in the NBA any time soon? Sessions score 18 points or more 23 times last year--had a triple double and avarhed very good numbers as a starter with more minutes. He much more advanced than Douglas--he's bigger he plays at rim level and is proven

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-29-2009 7:32 PM]
RIP Crushalot😞
s3231
Posts: 23162
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #544
USA
7/29/2009  8:42 PM
Hopefully Donnie or John Gabriel saw my finances thread.

I think if you give Sessions that MLE deal with the $11 million for the 1st year, Milwaukee doesn't match. This is a low-risk, high-reward type of move and if Donnie has any balls, he will make this happen.

Looks like they are just waiting till August 1st though to see what the Bucks do with Bowen...smart move if that is the case.

[Edited by - s3231 on 07-29-2009 8:45 PM]
"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/29/2009  9:17 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

What percentage of the all-star guards (or all NBA 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team guards) in the NBA this decade were drafted #29 or later? That should be a simple test of your ideas. I have to go travel soon and don't have time to check now though.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-29-2009 1:09 PM]

guys becoming all-stars as late picks has nothing to do with whats being debated
What is it that YOU would like to debate then? Please propose a way to test the idea too so that it's not just me throwing my opinion and you throwing yours out there.

like i said where a person gets drafted is the least deciding factor on what kind of player they will become.

case in point: there were 2 people on the Olympic team who were 2nd round picks

HALF of the draft picks are in the 2nd round. So if only two out of twelve (or is it 15?) on the olympic team were from the 2nd round, it's pretty good evidence that where a player is drafted IS a strong predictor of the success he'll have in the NBA.

once again you're running from the actual debate. Its no point. I'd rather watch 24 hours of Marbury streaming than continue this.

I'm running from the actual debate? That BS and ironically you're (admittedly) the one running. You're right that there's nothing left to discuss though since your claim that where a player is drafted is unrelated to his success has been disproven.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-29-2009 9:21 PM]
Page 5 of 5 « First‹ Previous 3  4  5 
« Reply To Topic
Only 1 team wanted Chauncey Billups when he was 26 for the MLE
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy