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7/20/2009  8:46 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
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I am with Martin on this. There are too many die hard fans of the NY teams with disposable income to think that there will not be a positive impact on his income through marketing deals, shoe sales, jersey sales and simple publicity. NY is the world capital. You are delusional if you think there is no effect. Is Nate Robinson, a sixth man on the Knicks, the 10th highest selling jersey if he isn't in NY? I don't think it is likely.
Nate winning the slam dunk contest at his height is the reason why his jersey sells. If Nate did not win that slam dunk contest I doubt that he would be number 10 in sales. Nate has personality plus game. Nate also knows how to market himself. If it was just about playing in New York then Charlie Ward jerseys would have been selling through the roof.

I don't agree that winning the dunk contest is the sole reason. There is still a NY element to his sales. Why is David Lee 14th overall then, if not for a single feat? What has he done this year and explain that without resorting to NY market demographics. He is "white" and averages a double-double? Troy Murphy is white and did that too.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/01/kobe-tops-nba-jersey-sales-again/

Click the link and scroll down... the Knicks as a team overall are 3rd in jersey sales, next to the Lakers and Celtics. The Cleveland Lebrons are 4th. You are telling me that the NY Lebrons don't jump to first?

The Lakers, Celtics and Knicks each have at least two players in the top 15, but every player other than the Knicks players are all-stars. Explain that. In fact every player other than Derrick Rose that is in the top 15 are All-stars-- that is, except for the Knicks' players.

I think you are wrong.

NY has far more purchasing power than Cleveland. It is a fact. Lebron is still the 3rd most bought jersey, but if he were in NY he would sell more jerseys. He would sell more shoes. He would sell more tv ads. Its that simple.
Did you really compare David Lee who has been in almost every NBA event to promote himself plus he was popular coming out of high school and college to Troy Murphy's the second coming of Woody Wood Pecker,Dufus Duck, and Gargamel from the Smurfs? You tell me why you would promote Troy Murphy? I find it hard to believe that if Troy Murphy was in New York he would be promoted like Lee or even shown on T.V outside of the Knicks.







[Edited by - BigC on 07-20-2009 9:41 PM]
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7/20/2009  9:17 PM
Posted by bitty41:
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doesn't make a difference if Lebron comes to NY or not cuz if he fails to bring us a championship in 2010 the critics of the 2010 plan are gonna be bitching & moaning about it til the cows come home.

It's all about success vs failure. If you've sacrificed two seasons and spent a large portion of your salary cap on a player then he better damn well be bringing a Championship. Walsh is creating this end game by his actions he's saying that he's going to cool his heels till Lebron becomes available hopefully sign him then win a title.


LeBron is luck, building the TEAM is success.
I prefer us to see our team grow to success without LeBrons.
For me it is more exiting that roll the dice with one big star and bunch of stop-gaps.
Walsh is setting the foundation to build solid team regardless of LeBron or 2010.


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7/20/2009  9:27 PM
There's really no reason to stay in Cleveland. They've shown they can't build a strong supporting cast around him. If he wants to win in the premiere basketball city in the world, he'll come to NY. If he wants to maximize his chances of winning multiple championships, he'll team up with Wade, D Howard, or Paul. Either way, Cleveland offers nothing worthwhile.
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7/20/2009  9:35 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

There's really no reason to stay in Cleveland. They've shown they can't build a strong supporting cast around him. If he wants to win in the premiere basketball city in the world, he'll come to NY. If he wants to maximize his chances of winning multiple championships, he'll team up with Wade, D Howard, or Paul. Either way, Cleveland offers nothing worthwhile.

Lebron is not KG and Ferry is not McFail
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7/20/2009  9:40 PM
Ferry isn't Jerry West either.
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7/20/2009  9:43 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Ferry isn't Jerry West either.

Cleveland has 010 cap room and Lebron's Bird rights. Ferry is laughing his ass off at the thought of losing James to the hapless Knicks
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7/20/2009  9:52 PM
Posted by McK1:
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Ferry isn't Jerry West either.

Cleveland has 010 cap room and Lebron's Bird rights. Ferry is laughing his ass off at the thought of losing James to the hapless Knicks

Ferry is an idiot then. What over the hill big man will he chase in 2010 to get Lebron to stay?

Everyone says oh it's gonna be so hard to get a FA to come to NY when their own team can sign them for more. Why would anyone go to CLEVELAND when their own team could pay them more?

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7/20/2009  9:52 PM
That doesn't make Ferry West. He walked into that situation and no move he's made has been that great.
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7/20/2009  9:58 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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Posted by GKFv2:

Ferry isn't Jerry West either.

Cleveland has 010 cap room and Lebron's Bird rights. Ferry is laughing his ass off at the thought of losing James to the hapless Knicks

Ferry is an idiot then. What over the hill big man will he chase in 2010 to get Lebron to stay?

Everyone says oh it's gonna be so hard to get a FA to come to NY when their own team can sign them for more. Why would anyone go to CLEVELAND when their own team could pay them more?

does lebron need wade? michael redd is a good enough secondary scorer. they also have Shaq's Bird rights if he comes back in shape for 2 more seasons.
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7/20/2009  10:03 PM
Posted by McK1:
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There's really no reason to stay in Cleveland. They've shown they can't build a strong supporting cast around him. If he wants to win in the premiere basketball city in the world, he'll come to NY. If he wants to maximize his chances of winning multiple championships, he'll team up with Wade, D Howard, or Paul. Either way, Cleveland offers nothing worthwhile.

Lebron is not KG and Ferry is not McFail
no that would be an insult to "McFail"
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7/20/2009  10:05 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
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Posted by GKFv2:

Ferry isn't Jerry West either.

Cleveland has 010 cap room and Lebron's Bird rights. Ferry is laughing his ass off at the thought of losing James to the hapless Knicks

Ferry is an idiot then. What over the hill big man will he chase in 2010 to get Lebron to stay?

Everyone says oh it's gonna be so hard to get a FA to come to NY when their own team can sign them for more. Why would anyone go to CLEVELAND when their own team could pay them more?

does lebron need wade? michael redd is a good enough secondary scorer. they also have Shaq's Bird rights if he comes back in shape for 2 more seasons.

you are ever the optimist when it concerns another team.
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7/20/2009  10:18 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by GKFv2:

Ferry isn't Jerry West either.

Cleveland has 010 cap room and Lebron's Bird rights. Ferry is laughing his ass off at the thought of losing James to the hapless Knicks

Ferry is an idiot then. What over the hill big man will he chase in 2010 to get Lebron to stay?

Everyone says oh it's gonna be so hard to get a FA to come to NY when their own team can sign them for more. Why would anyone go to CLEVELAND when their own team could pay them more?

does lebron need wade? michael redd is a good enough secondary scorer. they also have Shaq's Bird rights if he comes back in shape for 2 more seasons.

you are ever the optimist when it concerns another team.

its called seeing things for what they are and not for what some pretend them to be.
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7/20/2009  10:23 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
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talk about recycled arguments.

there was a time where if you didn't like Isiah then you must've wanted Layden to stay

now its if you don't like what Walsh has done you must've wanted Isiah to stay...

it was a dumb, pathetic, baseless line of defense then and it still is now.

Baseless? Nah. It was just proven by one poster. It can be proven again if you go back and read old posts through the years. It's not that hard. I can start bumping up old threads but that wont help anyone or do anything for the forum.

What is baseless is most of your posts. You talk in the air, are presented with facts, backtrack and talk in hypotheticals and then start negatively lambasting Walsh and D'Antoni because they are not running the team the way you seem fit. As if it is that easy to turn around a franchise. I'd like to see your moves for the team. Please post every move you would have made from April 2008 to this summer. I am interested in hearing this.

I already have plenty. Talking about actual ideologies related to building a team probably went over your head.

I purposely dumb it down with a the old bag sux so you can get in.

No you don't. Post specific transactions right in this topic. I'm sure we'd all like to see them. Go ahead.
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7/20/2009  10:31 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by GKFv2:

Ferry isn't Jerry West either.

Cleveland has 010 cap room and Lebron's Bird rights. Ferry is laughing his ass off at the thought of losing James to the hapless Knicks

Ferry is an idiot then. What over the hill big man will he chase in 2010 to get Lebron to stay?

Everyone says oh it's gonna be so hard to get a FA to come to NY when their own team can sign them for more. Why would anyone go to CLEVELAND when their own team could pay them more?

does lebron need wade? michael redd is a good enough secondary scorer. they also have Shaq's Bird rights if he comes back in shape for 2 more seasons.

you are ever the optimist when it concerns another team.

its called seeing things for what they are and not for what some pretend them to be.

what do i pretend to see again? i'm sorry. look, i'm sure if the cavs can get a quality second star for lebron next summer he'll stick around. so far when he's made moves danny ferry has brought in larry hughes, over the hill wally z, over the hill big ben, mo williams and a 40yr old shaq who can't make the playoffs on his own or play back to back games anymore. trevor ariza and ron artest turned down the chance to move to cleveland. as did everyone else in the league outside of anthony parker.

i remember when you foresaw an all-star future for luke ridnour. now he's third on the depth chart in milwaukee.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 20-07-2009 10:34 PM]
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7/20/2009  10:55 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by GKFv2:

Ferry isn't Jerry West either.

Cleveland has 010 cap room and Lebron's Bird rights. Ferry is laughing his ass off at the thought of losing James to the hapless Knicks

Ferry is an idiot then. What over the hill big man will he chase in 2010 to get Lebron to stay?

Everyone says oh it's gonna be so hard to get a FA to come to NY when their own team can sign them for more. Why would anyone go to CLEVELAND when their own team could pay them more?

does lebron need wade? michael redd is a good enough secondary scorer. they also have Shaq's Bird rights if he comes back in shape for 2 more seasons.

you are ever the optimist when it concerns another team.

its called seeing things for what they are and not for what some pretend them to be.

what do i pretend to see again? i'm sorry. look, i'm sure if the cavs can get a quality second star for lebron next summer he'll stick around. so far when he's made moves danny ferry has brought in larry hughes, over the hill wally z, over the hill big ben, mo williams and a 40yr old shaq who can't make the playoffs on his own or play back to back games anymore. trevor ariza and ron artest turned down the chance to move to cleveland. as did everyone else in the league outside of anthony parker.

i remember when you foresaw an all-star future for luke ridnour. now he's third on the depth chart in milwaukee.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 20-07-2009 10:34 PM]

i never once said I forsaw Luke Ridnour as a future all-star. Ridnour then now and will forever be a better passer than Marbury.

Moon signed an offer sheet with the Cavs. he is as good as Ariza and will cost less.

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-20-2009 10:58 PM]
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7/20/2009  11:12 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by GKFv2:

Ferry isn't Jerry West either.

Cleveland has 010 cap room and Lebron's Bird rights. Ferry is laughing his ass off at the thought of losing James to the hapless Knicks

Ferry is an idiot then. What over the hill big man will he chase in 2010 to get Lebron to stay?

Everyone says oh it's gonna be so hard to get a FA to come to NY when their own team can sign them for more. Why would anyone go to CLEVELAND when their own team could pay them more?

does lebron need wade? michael redd is a good enough secondary scorer. they also have Shaq's Bird rights if he comes back in shape for 2 more seasons.

you are ever the optimist when it concerns another team.

its called seeing things for what they are and not for what some pretend them to be.
So you're a self-labeled realist? Those are quite rare!
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7/20/2009  11:22 PM
I am a dreamer. I save the fantasy for yahoo and fantasysharks.com
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7/21/2009  11:43 AM


Bitty,

YOu make good points.

The thing about A-Rod is interesting. A-Rod came to a pretty good team and has yet to win the big one. Its not really "a-rods" team. Do an MVP in the finals and carry the team would do wonders for his image.

Lets discuss one Reginald Jackson. The man won three rings with Oakland and came here and just had an awful time being in NY. Then a magical thing happened and he is loved for the next 30 years despite bolting to the Angels. Dave Winfield did not win in NY.

Knicks championship years only yielded 2 rings in the 5 years they were perhaps the best team in Basketball. Bill Bradley was kind of a "Bust" given what he did in college to what he did in the Pro's. Willis was the 1964 rookie of the year and was killing the league until his knees gave out. How he get to HOF? Winning!!! Clyde was the coolest on the planet because he was in NY. HE is an Icon cuz they won.

Patrick is an assistant coach and can't get a head gig cuz he did not bring it home.

Phil Simms is a talent, but no superbowl, no national contract. Joe Namath was a star, but he is an a legend for his bravado and doin it in NY.

I agree with you up until what is more potent: Knicks win or the Cavs win?

So the short road might be with Cleveland but they have a very small window to win. Knicks with a youthful core could be more sustaining.

This week the hype is on Wilson and Gallo being young and players with big upside. If you take the kool aid orally, its plausable.

Transforming this team in two seasons from a bloated nasty nest of conceit to one with cap space/flex and a youthier core with a dynamic coach all in the empicenter of the marketing world makes for a compelling package for the right player.

What makes Mike-Mike, and Kobe-Kobe is winning!!!!
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7/21/2009  11:49 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Phil Simms is a talent, but no superbowl, no national contract. Joe Namath was a star, but he is an a legend for his bravado and doin it in NY.

1986. SB XXI. 22 of 25.
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7/21/2009  11:54 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by Nalod:

Phil Simms is a talent, but no superbowl, no national contract. Joe Namath was a star, but he is an a legend for his bravado and doin it in NY.

1986. SB XXI. 22 of 25.

It was 22 of 35... 268 yards... 3 TDs, 0 INTs. And Super Bowl XXI MVP.



But your point stands Bocker

[Edited by - supremecommander on 07-21-2009 11:54 AM]
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