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What the Buck(s) gonna do with Sessions???
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7/21/2009  7:41 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by purple012870:

Cannot believe no offer today. I was so pumped for this guy. Does any team in sports make it so painful to remain a loyal fan?

my guess is that they are working a bigger deal. Say, Mobley + Duhon for Session and whatever.

Bit more complicated, but from the Knicks' perspective, it would ensure Sessions without MIL matching an offer.

and would still leave the MLE available
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7/21/2009  8:02 PM
How good is Sessions on D?
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7/21/2009  9:36 PM
Posted by Panos:

How good is Sessions on D?

He's average defensively, he's not a gambler, but for the most part he will stay in front of his man.
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7/22/2009  7:10 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by purple012870:

Cannot believe no offer today. I was so pumped for this guy. Does any team in sports make it so painful to remain a loyal fan?

my guess is that they are working a bigger deal. Say, Mobley + Duhon for Session and whatever.

Bit more complicated, but from the Knicks' perspective, it would ensure Sessions without MIL matching an offer.

Walsh better not screw this up. He needs to do a sign and trade. I would send duhon and 3 mill to the bucks for sessions. Elimate the possibility that the bucks will match.

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7/22/2009  8:03 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by fishmike:

give it a shot. He cant shoot but otherwise fits the system.
this guy is not worth the full MLE over 4.

The cap space should be reserved for a star player. If we dont get a star player, roll the cap space over to the next year. The NBA is a league of stars and you need a star to win.

Seriously, Nate is probably more talented than this guy.
I have been harping on that for a long time, but I think its pretty clear that MDA isnt a Nate fan and would just rather move on. I would like to see Nate get a shot at running the team. All he's done is work hard to learn that position. Hell, he played an extra year in the summer league to work on PG skills. I thought he was great when Duhon didnt play.

I just think the Knicks are moving in a different direction and Sessions has some decent upside. He can certainly run and he will get guys a lot of easy open looks. If it was me I would start Nate and see what happens but it isnt.

My big concerns about Sessions are the small body of work and the total lack of a good jump shot, but he does a lot of things well.

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7/22/2009  8:36 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by fishmike:

give it a shot. He cant shoot but otherwise fits the system.
this guy is not worth the full MLE over 4.

The cap space should be reserved for a star player. If we dont get a star player, roll the cap space over to the next year. The NBA is a league of stars and you need a star to win.

Seriously, Nate is probably more talented than this guy.
I have been harping on that for a long time, but I think its pretty clear that MDA isnt a Nate fan and would just rather move on. I would like to see Nate get a shot at running the team. All he's done is work hard to learn that position. Hell, he played an extra year in the summer league to work on PG skills. I thought he was great when Duhon didnt play.

I just think the Knicks are moving in a different direction and Sessions has some decent upside. He can certainly run and he will get guys a lot of easy open looks. If it was me I would start Nate and see what happens but it isnt.

My big concerns about Sessions are the small body of work and the total lack of a good jump shot, but he does a lot of things well.

I agree with you on this fishmike. I just happen to think that Nate got to MDs bad side so many times that the Knicks just don't feel he's worth keeping. If it weren't true, they would have already given him a better offer than that diminuative 2 year offer that Greece gave him.
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7/22/2009  8:55 AM
i think it's true. and i think coaching nate must be a pain-in-the-ass beyond what any of us can possibly know. notice that it's apparently obvious enough to the rest of the league that absolutely no one has put a bid in on the guy.

it reminds me of the anthony mason situation. the guy was so talented and such a colossal pain in the ass that riley banished him from the bench and strongly considered leaving him off the playoff roster, and cowens lifted him off his feet and up against a locker and begged him to take the first swing.
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7/22/2009  8:57 AM
It's never been about talent with N8, it's keeping his emotions and game in check.


I would be very happy with adding Sessions and personally I hope Lee and N8 accept the qualifying offer or go overseas and let this song and dance restart next season (when they'll also make a very nice sign and trade chip if it were to come to that).
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7/22/2009  9:12 AM
Do we keep their rights at some capacity for the second season if they play overseas? They are restricted now so I guess we don't.
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7/22/2009  9:15 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Do we keep their rights at some capacity for the second season if they play overseas? They are restricted now so I guess we don't.

The Knicks keep their right as RFA when/if they returned.
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7/22/2009  10:21 AM
It's the same as with overseas players you drafted, as long as you keep making the QO each year they'll remain RFA's. Childress is a good example, wanted to return to the NBA but lack of interest and ATL not cooperating has made him return to Greece.
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7/22/2009  11:35 AM
KNICKS, SESSIONS CONTINUE DIALOGUE
By MARC BERMAN

'POINT'-ED TO MSG? Bucks point guard Ramon Sessions, a restricted free agent, remains on the radar of Knicks president Donnie Walsh.

Perhaps the Knicks' patient president realizes he is bidding against himself and is looking for a sweeter deal.

Chubby Wells, Sessions' agent, said he spoke to Walsh yesterday and the Knicks president told him he's in a "holding patter." They agreed to talk today, Wells said.


Walsh may want to see how the Sixers' Andre Miller situation plays out, and if he can steal Miller for a one-year, $5.8 million mid-level offer. But Miller, 33, still is seeking more money, and Portland is able to beat that number. Offering Sessions a deal would tie up the Knicks' mid-level for seven days.

After the Clippers acquired Sebastian Telfair on Monday, the Knicks appear the only serious team left for Sessions. The Clips now have three point guards -- Baron Davis, Telfair and Garden folk hero Mike Taylor -- and league sources can't imagine owner Donald Sterling meeting Sessions' demands.

Sessions is seeking a maximum five-year, $35 million mid-level offer, and Wells hoped to get it by today. The Knicks are more inclined to go four years, and perhaps for a shade less than the $5.8 million yearly mid-level, giving them more cap relief in 2010.

The Bucks could match any offer but they seem set with rookie Brandon Jennings and Luke Ridnour as their point guards.

The Knicks' coaching staff is in love with Sessions' mentality and penetrating ability -- something Chris Duhon doesn't bring. But Sessions is a late second-round pick, has had only one full season of solid playing time and did not help the Bucks make the playoffs last season.

But at 23, Sessions would join a young nucleus, which includes Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler and Jordan Hill, that would be used to attract an elite free agent in 2010.

The D'Antonis know Sessions extremely well, as assistant Dan D'Antoni coached him in Myrtle Beach, S.C.

Walsh also has spoken to Milwaukee about a sign-and-trade.

Signing Sessions and David Lee, though, could compromise the Knicks' ability to attract two free agents in 2010. But with Steve Nash off the board, the Knicks will have slim point guard options in 2010. Twenty-one days into free agency, the Knicks are in a stalemate with Lee, who does not appear to have options with Portland dragging its feet.

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As expected, Mike D'Antoni was retained as a U.S. Olympic assistant as Mike Krzyzewski officially was named head coach. D'Antoni is in Las Vegas for the Olympic minicamp.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07222009/sports/knicks/knicks__sessions_continue_dialogue_180662.htm
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7/22/2009  12:55 PM
Posted by Panos:

How good is Sessions on D?
Unlike Duhon Sessions can really play defense. The area that he is weak at is his jumpshot.

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7/22/2009  1:16 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by Panos:

How good is Sessions on D?
Unlike Duhon Sessions can really play defense. The area that he is weak at is his jumpshot.
what makes you think he can play D? I never saw it... neither did Buck fans if you check over there.

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7/22/2009  2:46 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by Panos:

How good is Sessions on D?
Unlike Duhon Sessions can really play defense. The area that he is weak at is his jumpshot.
what makes you think he can play D? I never saw it... neither did Buck fans if you check over there.

can he at least guard his position? Last season, Jeffries had to guard opposing PG's and Duhon had to guard bigger, slower guards and forwards.

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7/22/2009  3:35 PM
if sessions comes here, he's an all-star, because he will be so good with MDA
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7/22/2009  3:37 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by Panos:

How good is Sessions on D?
Unlike Duhon Sessions can really play defense. The area that he is weak at is his jumpshot.
what makes you think he can play D? I never saw it... neither did Buck fans if you check over there.
From watching games.Sessions got 1 steal a game and he did not even play big minutes like Duhon. If Sessions got major minutes like Duhon he probably could get 2 steals a game. Sessions post up defense is weak when he guards big guards. I think his on ball defense is good. Duhon got beat every night. I think Sessions is an up grade on defense compared to Duhon. If you are going to look at his post game defense then he is going to look weak however overall I don't think he is bad.

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7/22/2009  10:15 PM
Several league sources said Wednesday that they believed the New York Knicks had abandoned their pursuit of Bucks restricted free agent guard Ramon Sessions, leaving the Clippers as the prime candidate for the 23-year-old. The Oklahoma City Thunder has a tangential interest, according to sources, but is not believed to be seriously pursuing Sessions.
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7/22/2009  10:28 PM
Why would they? Are things progressing with Lee and/or Nate? Are they serious about Miller for a year?

What a boring offseason so far and if the best we can get is Miller, that really sucks.
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7/22/2009  10:51 PM
Several league sources said Wednesday that they believed the New York Knicks had abandoned their pursuit of Bucks restricted free agent guard Ramon Sessions, leaving the Clippers as the prime candidate for the 23-year-old. The Oklahoma City Thunder has a tangential interest, according to sources, but is not believed to be seriously pursuing Sessions.

With the Knicks still trying to keep as much cap room as possible for 2010, tying up funds in Sessions apparently is not a priority for New York, which is also in the midst of discussions with unrestricted free agent Andre Miller. However, the same limitations apply for Miller, who is looking for more than the one year offered by both New York and Philadelphia.

Walsh might also be bluffing or just being patient in an attempt to get a better deal with Sessions. There might also be some negotiations relating to a S&T.

Who knows what is really going on at this point?
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What the Buck(s) gonna do with Sessions???

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