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7/15/2009  10:40 PM
Austin Daye is much more comparable to Tayshaun Prince than he is Jared Jeffries. I actually view him as a carbon-copy, maybe not as good of a defender, but he's definitely all Prince is offensively.
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7/15/2009  11:29 PM
Just watched the game, pretty terrible. Obviously Douglas' scoring is not there right now, but I'm not concerned about that. Anyone familiar with his game knows he can score. Hill obviously has talent. Summer league is a different animal, but right now I'm not particularly happy with his shot selesction.

Almond is gonna make the team. He can definitely score. I think Crawford has some ability too. Tskita has been surprising. He has been more active defensively than I thought he'd be (especially shotblocking). His outside shot definitely looks really good right now.
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7/16/2009  12:39 AM
Skita is an enigma. I can't get a read on him. Is this how he's gonna try to play the game if he's going against NBA level players? If so I think he can be a useful bench guy. I love how he's been using his length to go after shots. That's what I want to see from a big off the bench. Of course the fact that he can shoot is a big plus, cuz you know MDA wants bigs that can step out. I think he's clearly more useful in this system than Sene. I think he's coming to Training Camp and he might make the team along with Almond.
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7/16/2009  3:33 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Skita is an enigma. I can't get a read on him. Is this how he's gonna try to play the game if he's going against NBA level players? If so I think he can be a useful bench guy. I love how he's been using his length to go after shots. That's what I want to see from a big off the bench. Of course the fact that he can shoot is a big plus, cuz you know MDA wants bigs that can step out. I think he's clearly more useful in this system than Sene. I think he's coming to Training Camp and he might make the team along with Almond.

i'd rather have Carter than either of those guys (Skittles & Sene i mean)

[Edited by - TMS on 07-16-2009 12:34 AM]
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7/16/2009  7:49 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Austin Daye is much more comparable to Tayshaun Prince than he is Jared Jeffries. I actually view him as a carbon-copy, maybe not as good of a defender, but he's definitely all Prince is offensively.
except Day isnt the athlete that Prince is. Tayshaun Prince is the Kate Moss of the NBA in terms of his build but he's an amazing athlete. He's got a quickness and speed that Day doesnt possess. Part of what makes Prince so effective is he kind of lulls guys into thinking he's just long and skinny but he's super skilled and plays above the rim

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7/16/2009  9:19 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Austin Daye is much more comparable to Tayshaun Prince than he is Jared Jeffries. I actually view him as a carbon-copy, maybe not as good of a defender, but he's definitely all Prince is offensively.
except Day isnt the athlete that Prince is. Tayshaun Prince is the Kate Moss of the NBA in terms of his build but he's an amazing athlete. He's got a quickness and speed that Day doesnt possess. Part of what makes Prince so effective is he kind of lulls guys into thinking he's just long and skinny but he's super skilled and plays above the rim
Daye reminds me of Anthony Randolph and could develop into a fine, tall SF
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7/16/2009  9:51 AM
Posted by Markji:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Austin Daye is much more comparable to Tayshaun Prince than he is Jared Jeffries. I actually view him as a carbon-copy, maybe not as good of a defender, but he's definitely all Prince is offensively.
except Day isnt the athlete that Prince is. Tayshaun Prince is the Kate Moss of the NBA in terms of his build but he's an amazing athlete. He's got a quickness and speed that Day doesnt possess. Part of what makes Prince so effective is he kind of lulls guys into thinking he's just long and skinny but he's super skilled and plays above the rim
Daye reminds me of Anthony Randolph and could develop into a fine, tall SF

he looks more like a combo guard but he is 6-11 with long arms. Randolph relies more on athletic ability. This guy is a very skilled guard who happens to be 6-11 and looks like a mismatch nightmare. He could be the steal of the draft
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7/16/2009  10:00 AM
somebody needs to introduce Donnie to youtube


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7/16/2009  10:54 AM
How many times can you post a link and have it count as a post on your post count?
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7/16/2009  11:05 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

How many times can you post a link and have it count as a post on your post count?

I don't give a damn about my post count
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7/16/2009  11:56 AM
Posted by McK1:

somebody needs to introduce Donnie to youtube



he did watch it I am sure, and he saw hill score 22 points as his team beat gonzaga...
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7/16/2009  12:03 PM
I am sure he did not.

Walsh talked like Vegas was his first glimpse of Hill against actual competition. NY worked him out solo I believe.

these are the type of guys Hill is going to be asked to lock up and Daye made him look rediculous defensively.
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7/16/2009  12:06 PM
I think your argument would be stronger if you posted the link to the Gonzaga Arizona game.
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7/16/2009  12:13 PM
Posted by McK1:

I am sure he did not.

Walsh talked like Vegas was his first glimpse of Hill against actual competition. NY worked him out solo I believe.

these are the type of guys Hill is going to be asked to lock up and Daye made him look ridiculous defensively.

I think Jordan Hill will be fine. Im much higher on Hill than Douglas. Hill needs strength but once he slows his game down and works with his feet--he should be a very fine post up player--especially with a PG who can break guys off the dribble and get it to the bigs in position to score. He's got some touch--the key is getting him into position to use that touch--I don't mind if he shoots from 16 feet once in awhile but he should look for deep post position.

Douglas has been quick agile + strong with the ball but he does not look anything like an NBA rotation player. He is small at the hoop--he doesnt break guys off the dribble--doesnt get into the lane and so far his shot looks like mine. And for all of this he's a great defender hes looked porous and average. So we want to emphasize the positives and he can find the shooters on the wing and doesnt turn it over. His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair
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7/16/2009  12:25 PM
Also worth mentioning is how good DaJuan Summers looked yesterday. Austin Daye's gotten a lot of credit so far and rightly so, but Summers is really looking like a hell of a player. 6'8" strong upper body with a tremendous combination of explosiveness and perimeter touch all the way out to the 3-pt. line. We'll have to see how the playing time shakes out in Motown but this guy Summers is definitely the real deal and is more than ready to step in and be a contributor right away for them. All he needs is the minutes. An absolute steal as a 2nd round pick, this guy's 1st round talent all the way. Good, effective player at G-Town, I think he'll be an even better pro provided he's given the PT to prove it. Honestly, I already see a guy who's on par with Wilson Chandler skill-wise right now, heck, even better. He already looks like a more advanced player than Wilson and he hasn't even played in a real NBA game yet. Just got done watching a replay of the Piston/Knicks game and Breen commented that Detroit was even considering taking Summers with the Daye pick, that's how much they liked him. Phenomenal job by Dumars in this draft. I still can't believe how many good players slipped into the second round this year. Crazy..

[Edited by - finestrg on 07-16-2009 12:27 PM]
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7/16/2009  1:04 PM
Posted by McK1:

I am sure he did not.

Walsh talked like Vegas was his first glimpse of Hill against actual competition. NY worked him out solo I believe.

these are the type of guys Hill is going to be asked to lock up and Daye made him look rediculous defensively.

there are some guys Hill is going to struggle defending & others who he'll look great against... that's true for most any player in the NBA aside from the elite defenders... Austin Daye is more mobile & can knock down the perimeter J, so Hill had to step out against him & had trouble guarding him off the dribble... let's see how Daye handles guarding Hill in the paint this year.
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7/16/2009  1:26 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by McK1:

I am sure he did not.

Walsh talked like Vegas was his first glimpse of Hill against actual competition. NY worked him out solo I believe.

these are the type of guys Hill is going to be asked to lock up and Daye made him look rediculous defensively.

there are some guys Hill is going to struggle defending & others who he'll look great against... that's true for most any player in the NBA aside from the elite defenders... Austin Daye is more mobile & can knock down the perimeter J, so Hill had to step out against him & had trouble guarding him off the dribble... let's see how Daye handles guarding Hill in the paint this year.

I think Daye did a great job fronting him which made Hill look uncomfortable at times.
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7/16/2009  3:56 PM
Hill is gonna initially have problems with NBA defense against him, but eventually he's gonna figure it out and his Amare like athletic ability will kick in and he'll be on the winning side of match ups. He's already showing good signs that he's got the ability to do things only good players do. That budding turn around jumper is a sweet looking shot and will be unstoppable once he refines it.

He really needs to hit the GYM and get more core strength so he can bang more. In the NBA you want to be able to play in the post and in the midrange or high post area. It's up to him to put in the work. I think he will since he's done so much already.
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7/16/2009  3:58 PM
"Douglas has been quick agile + strong with the ball but he does not look anything like an NBA rotation player. He is small at the hoop--he doesnt break guys off the dribble--doesnt get into the lane and so far his shot looks like mine. And for all of this he's a great defender hes looked porous and average. So we want to emphasize the positives and he can find the shooters on the wing and doesnt turn it over. His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair."

Our summer team has played two games. Toney is breaking into running a new system, and clearly he has been told to focus on distributing the ball, which he is doing. Its seems nuts to me that you seem to be compelled to long term judgments on things like his shooting ability and even his ability to play defense. Don't you think it would be a good idea to wait until you have more information?

"His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair."

First, The Knicks needed a point guard to replace Nat Robinson. Why would they need a player like DeJuan Blair. Second, while Jennings looks talented, he remains an unproven commodity. Third, you don't always get what you pay for. Occasionally, excellent players like Paul Millsap and David Lee are discovered in the late first and even second round. Fourth the prototype Center for D'Antoni's system is Amar'e Stoudemire. He stands 6'10 inches, runs well and shoots threes at about 43%. DeJuan stands 6'5" without sneakers and he is far better suited for the half court game. He has knee problems, average athleticism and his jump shot is also listed as one of his weaknesses, (DeJuan shoots free throws at 60.5 and Amar'e shoots free throws at 83.5.) If you were criticizing Walsh and D'Antoni for their draft pick, maybe you should reconsider?
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7/16/2009  4:11 PM
Posted by rvwink:

"Douglas has been quick agile + strong with the ball but he does not look anything like an NBA rotation player. He is small at the hoop--he doesnt break guys off the dribble--doesnt get into the lane and so far his shot looks like mine. And for all of this he's a great defender hes looked porous and average. So we want to emphasize the positives and he can find the shooters on the wing and doesnt turn it over. His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair."

Our summer team has played two games. Toney is breaking into running a new system, and clearly he has been told to focus on distributing the ball, which he is doing. Its seems nuts to me that you seem to be compelled to long term judgments on things like his shooting ability and even his ability to play defense. Don't you think it would be a good idea to wait until you have more information?

"His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair."

First, The Knicks needed a point guard to replace Nat Robinson. Why would they need a player like DeJuan Blair. Second, while Jennings looks talented, he remains an unproven commodity. Third, you don't always get what you pay for. Occasionally, excellent players like Paul Millsap and David Lee are discovered in the late first and even second round. Fourth the prototype Center for D'Antoni's system is Amar'e Stoudemire. He stands 6'10 inches, runs well and shoots threes at about 43%. DeJuan stands 6'5" without sneakers and he is far better suited for the half court game. He has knee problems, average athleticism and his jump shot is also listed as one of his weaknesses, (DeJuan shoots free throws at 60.5 and Amar'e shoots free throws at 83.5.) If you were criticizing Walsh and D'Antoni for their draft pick, maybe you should reconsider?

rvwink--I like taking the best player available--to me Dejuan Blair was the best player available. I don't know that much about Blair's knees but I do know that the Spurs just gave him a three year guaranteed deal today. I feel the Spurs are a much better run organization that the Knicks in anyway and in every way---what they did speaks volumes--about Blair and his knee and how good they think he is. For the money we spent on Douglas we couldve had Blair and Budinger.

Blair was a lottery pick that went 37. It has happened. I don't think that Douglas has lottery type talent.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-16-2009 4:13 PM]
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