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7/14/2009  8:08 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by firefly:
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anybody still think Jordan Hill resembles Mikki Moore?

Call me crazy, but his style of play reminds me more of K-Mart. A little out of control tho, but that will change in time.

the turn fade away shot of his reminds me a lot of that little shot Karl Malone used to knock down on a regular basis (not comparing them as players guys, relax)

Nah, what made me think of Kenyon was his tendancy to follow the ball in the air and on the floor, and not worry about the contact on both offense and defense. Great tenacity. Agree with theGame though. If he works on his midrange he could be a real weapon on the pump-fake/drive while making them pay for backing up a la KT.

i think he does carry some of that edge to him that Kenyon does as well... we need some dawg on this team.

Agreed. Putting a few punks on they asses might give us a little more respect in the league.
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7/14/2009  8:13 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

Just looking at the box score after watching the game and had a couple surprises.

Almond looked good to me today, very fluid, stayed up on his man, shot extremely well, but only had 1 rebound. Seemed much more active during the game, thought he came away with a few more.

Douglas was very impressive as well, really orchestrated the team, but seemed like he was still trying to figure out how to balance his shooting and dishing. Shot 2-13 (ouch!) but had 11 assists and 0 turnovers. And, I know it's been mentioned, great game defensively.

I thought that he made some gambles and anticipations on D that did not work out, and I assume that he will learn a lot from watching a tape of the game.

His offensive game in terms of shooting should be fine, but I was pretty stunned with his ball handling and decision making. It looked like he had been playing the system for 10 years. Whether he will be able penetrate as easily as he did today during the regular season is one thing, but his ability to get the ball to players who were in position to score and not turn the ball over was better than I think anyone could have expected.
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7/14/2009  8:13 PM
"Both of our guys get a C+. They showed some good--they showed some bad. No other way to call it."

Young point guard focused on ball distribution and not scoring gets 11 assists and no turnovers. You have the nerve to give him a C+?

I accuse you of being prejudiced. You previously were on record for believing that Toney Douglas was a bad draft pick. As usual you wanted someone more athletic. So it doesn't make you look good to say that TD now was an excellent draft pick.

I'm grading you with an F for poor player grading.
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7/14/2009  8:17 PM
ugly game. hill reminds me of joe smith on the NBA level.
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7/14/2009  8:21 PM
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7/14/2009  8:25 PM
Posted by McK1:

Douglas 2-13. He handled the ball decent and ended up with 10 assists but he didn't look to good creating separation for his shots and marcus williams even blocked his pull up. Oh well its only the SL's. On to game 2

His ability to score will come along.

The biggest question people had about Douglas was his ability to distribute and quarterback a team. He comes up with 11 assists and 0 turnovers, really looks confident as a distributor and ball handler, and you say he handled the ball "decent?" You lose almost all of your credibility with the use of that word for the way he handled the ball today.




I thought Islesfan was banned?



[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-14-2009 8:26 PM]
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7/14/2009  8:27 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by McK1:

Douglas 2-13. He handled the ball decent and ended up with 10 assists but he didn't look to good creating separation for his shots and marcus williams even blocked his pull up. Oh well its only the SL's. On to game 2

His ability to score will come along.

The biggest question people had about Douglas was his ability to distribute and quarterback a team. He comes up with 11 assists and 0 turnovers, really looks confident as a distributor and ball handler, and you say he handled the ball "decent?" You lose almost all of your credibility with the use of that word for the way he handled the ball today.



I thought Islesfan was banned?

Lol nah, Mck1's had funny opinions for years now.


Ridnour>>>>>>>>Marbury!!! Now, say what you want about Marbury and theres plenty to say but one thing he can always lay claim to is being a better ballplayer then Luke "I can score while sitting on my ass" Ridnour.

[Edited by - firefly on 07-14-2009 8:29 PM]
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7/14/2009  8:28 PM
Posted by rvwink:

"Both of our guys get a C+. They showed some good--they showed some bad. No other way to call it."

Young point guard focused on ball distribution and not scoring gets 11 assists and no turnovers. You have the nerve to give him a C+?

I accuse you of being prejudiced. You previously were on record for believing that Toney Douglas was a bad draft pick. As usual you wanted someone more athletic. So it doesn't make you look good to say that TD now was an excellent draft pick.

I'm grading you with an F for poor player grading.


How did he shoot the ball?
How was his defense in the 4th Q?
How was he going to the basket?

If you say he played an A game while shooting 2-12 and getting duked my Marcus Williams in the 4th Q deserves more than a C+--you aren't being honest with yourself. the best player on the court was Darrel Arthur--he was the only A player in that game. If you can freely say he played an A game than your are not judging fairly. Arthur was the only A player and if someone says otherwise they are kidding themselves--there was fair play by Hill and Douglas. Almond had a very good first half but could not get involved in the second half and did not do enough other things toi warrant more than a C as well.
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7/14/2009  8:30 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by McK1:

Douglas 2-13. He handled the ball decent and ended up with 10 assists but he didn't look to good creating separation for his shots and marcus williams even blocked his pull up. Oh well its only the SL's. On to game 2

His ability to score will come along.

The biggest question people had about Douglas was his ability to distribute and quarterback a team. He comes up with 11 assists and 0 turnovers, really looks confident as a distributor and ball handler, and you say he handled the ball "decent?" You lose almost all of your credibility with the use of that word for the way he handled the ball today.




I thought Islesfan was banned?



[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-14-2009 8:26 PM]

assists came on majority long jump shots. how about how he orchestrated the break? care to tell how many transition points NY had.
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7/14/2009  8:31 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by rvwink:

"Both of our guys get a C+. They showed some good--they showed some bad. No other way to call it."

Young point guard focused on ball distribution and not scoring gets 11 assists and no turnovers. You have the nerve to give him a C+?

I accuse you of being prejudiced. You previously were on record for believing that Toney Douglas was a bad draft pick. As usual you wanted someone more athletic. So it doesn't make you look good to say that TD now was an excellent draft pick.

I'm grading you with an F for poor player grading.


How did he shoot the ball?
How was his defense in the 4th Q?
How was he going to the basket?

If you say he played an A game while shooting 2-12 and getting duked my Marcus Williams in the 4th Q deserves more than a C+--you aren't being honest with yourself. the best player on the court was Darrel Arthur--he was the only A player in that game. If you can freely say he played an A game than your are not judging fairly. Arthur was the only A player and if someone says otherwise they are kidding themselves--there was fair play by Hill and Douglas. Almond had a very good first half but could not get involved in the second half and did not do enough other things toi warrant more than a C as well.

And if you're honest with yourself, how did Thabeet do? Cuz my opinion is that Thabeet looked kinda scrubbish out there. I caveat that by saying its one SL game so whatever.
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7/14/2009  8:33 PM
When it comes to Hill we're gonna have to give him time, cuz i don't think he's anywhere close to reaching his potential. He's raw at this point and still you can see the skills. How good would you be with only 5 years of organized BB? This guy is just getting started.
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7/14/2009  8:33 PM
Weird game. I thought Hill was basically 50-50 out there...looked really good or really bad. He needs more polish and consistency on offense. He is active, but he's still adjusting. Toney Douglas couldn't shoot a lick today, but he tends to run a bit hot and cold. I was impressed with him as a PG. He looks like he can definitely handle some minutes at the position.

Almond was ok but he only scored. Was a step slow on D. Joe Crawford and Almond are basically gonna be fighting it out as far as I'm concerned. As far as the other guys, Tskita did some nice things I thought. Blocked a few shots, hit a few 3's.
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7/14/2009  8:40 PM
Posted by firefly:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by rvwink:

"Both of our guys get a C+. They showed some good--they showed some bad. No other way to call it."

Young point guard focused on ball distribution and not scoring gets 11 assists and no turnovers. You have the nerve to give him a C+?

I accuse you of being prejudiced. You previously were on record for believing that Toney Douglas was a bad draft pick. As usual you wanted someone more athletic. So it doesn't make you look good to say that TD now was an excellent draft pick.

I'm grading you with an F for poor player grading.


How did he shoot the ball?
How was his defense in the 4th Q?
How was he going to the basket?

If you say he played an A game while shooting 2-12 and getting duked my Marcus Williams in the 4th Q deserves more than a C+--you aren't being honest with yourself. the best player on the court was Darrel Arthur--he was the only A player in that game. If you can freely say he played an A game than your are not judging fairly. Arthur was the only A player and if someone says otherwise they are kidding themselves--there was fair play by Hill and Douglas. Almond had a very good first half but could not get involved in the second half and did not do enough other things toi warrant more than a C as well.

And if you're honest with yourself, how did Thabeet do? Cuz my opinion is that Thabeet looked kinda scrubbish out there. I caveat that by saying its one SL game so whatever.

I give Thabeet a D. I thought he shouldve been more active when posting up with a better target and he had his hands down on the D and didn't contest very well. He did run the floor well and hit a nice jump hook but needs to play harder and be more productive. When you are talking 6 pts 6 rebs 1 block in 23 minutes--that is not terrible but you always seem to be left with Tabby wanting much more. He needs to step up the intensity--get deep position and hold up a big target--utilize his size more on the D.
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7/14/2009  8:41 PM
Thabeet definitely sucked out there. Nothing separated Thabeet from Saer Sene.
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7/14/2009  8:42 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by firefly:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by rvwink:

"Both of our guys get a C+. They showed some good--they showed some bad. No other way to call it."

Young point guard focused on ball distribution and not scoring gets 11 assists and no turnovers. You have the nerve to give him a C+?

I accuse you of being prejudiced. You previously were on record for believing that Toney Douglas was a bad draft pick. As usual you wanted someone more athletic. So it doesn't make you look good to say that TD now was an excellent draft pick.

I'm grading you with an F for poor player grading.


How did he shoot the ball?
How was his defense in the 4th Q?
How was he going to the basket?

If you say he played an A game while shooting 2-12 and getting duked my Marcus Williams in the 4th Q deserves more than a C+--you aren't being honest with yourself. the best player on the court was Darrel Arthur--he was the only A player in that game. If you can freely say he played an A game than your are not judging fairly. Arthur was the only A player and if someone says otherwise they are kidding themselves--there was fair play by Hill and Douglas. Almond had a very good first half but could not get involved in the second half and did not do enough other things toi warrant more than a C as well.

And if you're honest with yourself, how did Thabeet do? Cuz my opinion is that Thabeet looked kinda scrubbish out there. I caveat that by saying its one SL game so whatever.

I give Thabeet a D. I thought he shouldve been more active when posting up with a better target and he had his hands down on the D and didn't contest very well. He did run the floor well and hit a nice jump hook but needs to play harder and be more productive. When you are talking 6 pts 6 rebs 1 block in 23 minutes--that is not terrible but you always seem to be left with Tabby wanting much more. He needs to step up the intensity--get deep position and hold up a big target--utilize his size more on the D.

I totally respect your opinion on UConn guys BRIGGS. Just one thing. If you really want this guy to have an NBA career, you can NOT go around calling him Tabby. Gotta find your man a better nickname. Not something that would equate him to a pnssy.
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7/14/2009  8:44 PM
Posted by McK1:
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Douglas 2-13. He handled the ball decent and ended up with 10 assists but he didn't look to good creating separation for his shots and marcus williams even blocked his pull up. Oh well its only the SL's. On to game 2

His ability to score will come along.

The biggest question people had about Douglas was his ability to distribute and quarterback a team. He comes up with 11 assists and 0 turnovers, really looks confident as a distributor and ball handler, and you say he handled the ball "decent?" You lose almost all of your credibility with the use of that word for the way he handled the ball today.




I thought Islesfan was banned?



[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-14-2009 8:26 PM]

assists came on majority long jump shots. how about how he orchestrated the break? care to tell how many transition points NY had.

They did not have many break opportunities, and you need some guys with you to dish on a break. He messed one up early, I think, although he did not turn it over.

He distributed the ball the way MDA likes it done. He also got the ball down low to Hill for a couple of baskets.

You make the assists that are available- and that is what he did today.

Who knows if he can play like this against the big guys, and his shooting has to, and should, get better, but I don't think that any of the young PGs drafted this year were as efficient at getting the ball to teammates with as few (0) turnovers.

A good start for a guy I never even considered us taking. Maybe we found a sleeper- who knows- but I was pretty happy with what he did today.
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7/14/2009  8:51 PM
"How did he shoot the ball?
How was his defense in the 4th Q?
How was he going to the basket?"

As I said before the game started, Toney didn't have to prove that he could score. He proved that throughout his college career. The supposed gurus who did the rating decided that because Toney had about 2.5 turnovers a game and 2.5 assists a game, he made bad judgments and was a poor passer. Toney had 11 assists and 0 turnovers and that was what he set out to achieve. Why grade him on what he didn't care about?

The fact that he didn't shoot well today means nothing imo. I am not saying he was an A. I am just saying he proved what he set out to prove. He was trying to play like a point guard, not a combo guard. Achieving what he tried to achieve is pass-fail. I say he passed. Give him time and he will distribute, defend, and score.
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7/14/2009  8:55 PM
I didn't see the game, but I'm glad to hear that Douglas ran the offense well. His shooting will come and his d is good, but it's his ability to play the point that had me concerned.
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7/14/2009  8:55 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by McK1:

Douglas 2-13. He handled the ball decent and ended up with 10 assists but he didn't look to good creating separation for his shots and marcus williams even blocked his pull up. Oh well its only the SL's. On to game 2

His ability to score will come along.

The biggest question people had about Douglas was his ability to distribute and quarterback a team. He comes up with 11 assists and 0 turnovers, really looks confident as a distributor and ball handler, and you say he handled the ball "decent?" You lose almost all of your credibility with the use of that word for the way he handled the ball today.




I thought Islesfan was banned?



[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-14-2009 8:26 PM]

assists came on majority long jump shots. how about how he orchestrated the break? care to tell how many transition points NY had.

They did not have many break opportunities, and you need some guys with you to dish on a break. He messed one up early, I think, although he did not turn it over.

He distributed the ball the way MDA likes it done. He also got the ball down low to Hill for a couple of baskets.

You make the assists that are available- and that is what he did today.

Who knows if he can play like this against the big guys, and his shooting has to, and should, get better, but I don't think that any of the young PGs drafted this year were as efficient at getting the ball to teammates with as few (0) turnovers.

A good start for a guy I never even considered us taking. Maybe we found a sleeper- who knows- but I was pretty happy with what he did today.

they had break opportunities, he pulled it back. not exactly what i was expecting from Nate's replacement.
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7/14/2009  8:56 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Weird game. I thought Hill was basically 50-50 out there...looked really good or really bad. He needs more polish and consistency on offense. He is active, but he's still adjusting. Toney Douglas couldn't shoot a lick today, but he tends to run a bit hot and cold. I was impressed with him as a PG. He looks like he can definitely handle some minutes at the position.

Almond was ok but he only scored. Was a step slow on D. Joe Crawford and Almond are basically gonna be fighting it out as far as I'm concerned. As far as the other guys, Tskita did some nice things I thought. Blocked a few shots, hit a few 3's.

I feel kind of the same but a little more up-beat than you are.

I felt Almond, as said, shot well but is a gunner. I can see why he is intriguing but also frustrating. He's been around for two years now. I think that's a bad sign overall.

I was impressed with Hill's go-get-it attitude but wow he is severely RAW on offense. He really is, right now at least, another Balkman type. Not the same but...in that type of mold. Hustle player. Gets after it. Gets the boards. Contests defensively. Yet at the end of the day is very very raw.

Douglas...I was very impressed with his speed and his defense. However, he seemed to fade after half time for the most part until very late for a short stretch. He also seemed to rush up the court but then stop - unsure what to do or who to pass to. Perhaps....that's just being unfamiliar with teammates. I'd like to lean that way. With familiarity may come continuity.

I was impressed with Joe Crawford now I know why we picked him up.

Sene continues to be an absolute DISASTER. I swear...the Sonics are the worst with picking three consecutive terribly raw Center projects in the lotto. Now we know why they all moved on and are already journey...kids.

In the end, this is the first competitive play, the most competitive play, that Douglas and Hill have likely witnessed. So if the flashes prove to be true? I think we have two good picks here. Let's see how they go from here.

I will say - absolutely NOTHING overly impressive here. What would I consider overly impressive? Nate Robinson's SL showings. We saw nothing close to that. I think that's a good barometer.

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