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6/26/2009  2:54 PM
Posted by Andrew:

I think what McK1 just posted fully supports my example right?

it does say that the rule restricts teams from taking advantage of the Bird Right's exception by using up their cap to sign other free agents & then turning their attention to their own.
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6/26/2009  2:57 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Andrew:

I think what McK1 just posted fully supports my example right?

it does say that the rule restricts teams from taking advantage of the Bird Right's exception by using up their cap to sign other free agents & then turning their attention to their own.


There's a difference between free agent cap hold, which acts as a miniscule restriction, and the eventual salary offerred, which often far exceeds the cap hold.
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6/26/2009  3:04 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Andrew:

I think what McK1 just posted fully supports my example right?

it does say that the rule restricts teams from taking advantage of the Bird Right's exception by using up their cap to sign other free agents & then turning their attention to their own.

The only restriction is a hard cap, an amount that they would not be able to exceed for base year salaries. Using Andrew's example, if either Lee and/or Nate seek high base amounts for their extensions the team would be in jeporady of not being able to sign them one or both.
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6/26/2009  3:12 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Andrew:

I think what McK1 just posted fully supports my example right?

it does say that the rule restricts teams from taking advantage of the Bird Right's exception by using up their cap to sign other free agents & then turning their attention to their own.

The only restriction is a hard cap, an amount that they would not be able to exceed for base year salaries. Using Andrew's example, if either Lee and/or Nate seek high base amounts for their extensions the team would be in jeporady of not being able to sign them one or both.

what's on second?
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6/26/2009  9:47 PM
Posted by Marv:
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I put Amare Stoudemire and Jordan Hill's combine athleticism test results side by side. Amare is slightly smaller in stature, but has longer arms. All of the other categories seem to favor Amare. I think the biggest difference between the two is the lane agility. Hill may have simply had a bad run on the lane agility test, it seems like such a wide aberration from his other stats. I am sure the Knicks checked this when they worked him out. 

                      Amare      Hill 
Height w/o Shoes      6' 8.5"    6' 9.25"
Height w/shoes        6' 10"     6' 10.25"
Weight                233        232 
Wingspan              7' 1.75"   7' 1.5"
Standing Reach        9' 0.5"    9' 0"
No Step Vert          32.0"      31.0" 
Max Vert              35.5"      35.0"
Bench Press           12         11
Lane Agility          11.19      12.23
3/4 Court Sprint      3.25       3.30


conclusion? jordan gotta get some of amare's shoes.
Yeah, noticed that too. Kevin Love also wears the same shoes to jack up his height 6'7.75 goes to 6'9.5"

I would assume that Amare's vertical numbers are undoubtedly down at this point in his career.
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6/26/2009  10:30 PM 
                     Amare        Hill       Frye

Height w/o Shoes      6' 8.5"    6' 9.25"    6'9.5
Height w/shoes        6' 10"     6' 10.25"   6'10.5
Weight                233        232         244 
Wingspan              7' 1.75"   7' 1.5"     7'2.5
Standing Reach        9' 0.5"    9' 0"       9'2.5 
No Step Vert          32.0"      31.0"       27.5 
Max Vert              35.5"      35.0"       31.5    
Bench Press           12         11          19 
Lane Agility          11.19      12.23       11.60
3/4 Court Sprint      3.25       3.30        3.38



All pretty similar physically. I do know that one was close to being the top player in the game before he got hurt. One started off pretty good and got hurt but has lived up to his soft label quite nicely.

Id like to see if our trainers can push Hill up top 245 without losing explosion.
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6/27/2009  12:10 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

                     Amare        Hill       Frye

Height w/o Shoes      6' 8.5"    6' 9.25"    6'9.5
Height w/shoes        6' 10"     6' 10.25"   6'10.5
Weight                233        232         244 
Wingspan              7' 1.75"   7' 1.5"     7'2.5
Standing Reach        9' 0.5"    9' 0"       9'2.5 
No Step Vert          32.0"      31.0"       27.5 
Max Vert              35.5"      35.0"       31.5    
Bench Press           12         11          19 
Lane Agility          11.19      12.23       11.60
3/4 Court Sprint      3.25       3.30        3.38



All pretty similar physically. I do know that one was close to being the top player in the game before he got hurt. One started off pretty good and got hurt but has lived up to his soft label quite nicely.

Id like to see if our trainers can push Hill up top 245 without losing explosion.

He needs some weight/muscle from his waist down, so he can fight for position and bang in the paint, IMO. He seems to have long legs and a not so great center of gravity, which probably affects his agility in a negative way. That lane agility number stood out when I looked at the combined Combine results on DraftExpress. (On the other hand, D.Lee actually had a good agility # though, and look what it does for his defense.).
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6/27/2009  6:21 AM
Those bench press #s really surprise me. I can't believe Frye had that much more chest and arm strength than Amare when drafted. I guess Frye was four years older than Amare though.
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6/27/2009  6:51 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Those bench press #s really surprise me. I can't believe Frye had that much more chest and arm strength than Amare when drafted. I guess Frye was four years older than Amare though.

When the Knicks drafted Frye he was a muscle guy. I recall everyone being blown away with how strong he got. So much so that Briggs suggested he juiced up for the draft. Draft memories.
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6/27/2009  7:03 AM
I never remember Frye being so fluid in the post. Hill need to add bulk to bang in the NBA but I still think he has the footwork that will be useful in the post. He is quick enough but I wouldn't want him to just to add bulk just to bang. Dwight in my opinion has done this which has taken away some of his speed.

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6/27/2009  11:06 AM
I do remember Frye being just as bad defensively though:



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6/27/2009  1:26 PM
Are you Austin Daye's agent?
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6/27/2009  5:28 PM
dude, if u wanna judge players off that 1 game Austin Daye shoulda been a top 3 pick.

now here's some of what Jordan Hill WILL bring to the Knicks:

















[Edited by - TMS on 06-27-2009 2:28 PM]
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6/27/2009  7:51 PM
that wasn't about Austin Daye. It was about Hill's defense which was repeatedly awful.

Even MDA in his interview stated on film they saw a lot of missed assignments by Hill.
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6/27/2009  8:02 PM
Hill blows a ton of defensive assignments... he isn't a good defender. he can obviously block some shots though.
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6/28/2009  3:26 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Hill blows a ton of defensive assignments... he isn't a good defender. he can obviously block some shots though.

Then he clearly is the next Amare Stoudemire because he is guilty of the same issue but will get the highlight blocks.
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6/28/2009  10:44 AM
we'd be lucky as hell if he turned out to be the next Amare Stoudamire.
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6/28/2009  11:12 AM
Hill isn't Amare. Amare is a good bit more explosive and powerful but I like Hill's offensive skills. He's already better than Lee IMO offensively. If Lee had a turnaround jumper he'd be an All Star. We need Hill's help defense. I'm sure he's got a lot to learn about man D but so do a lot of rooks.

I wonder about Hill's BB IQ? Will he be able to grasp the intricacies of MDA's system and make key passes?
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6/28/2009  11:25 AM
better than Lee? lol! lets see how he does when he isn't facing 6'7 frontlines
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6/28/2009  11:33 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Hill isn't Amare. Amare is a good bit more explosive and powerful but I like Hill's offensive skills. He's already better than Lee IMO offensively. If Lee had a turnaround jumper he'd be an All Star. We need Hill's help defense. I'm sure he's got a lot to learn about man D but so do a lot of rooks.

I wonder about Hill's BB IQ? Will he be able to grasp the intricacies of MDA's system and make key passes?

the same questions surrounded Amare when he came into the NBA... there's no telling how good Hill is gonna be, it's up to him to work hard & build up his body & improve his skills like Amare did... i agree w/u he's not quite as explosive as Amare was but there's no reason for anyone to assume this kid won't be able to succeed in MDA's system.
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