Posted by SlimPack:

I guess I'm one of the few people not on the Curry bandwagon. I disagree that he could play the one for a significant stretch in the NBA, because of his scoring mentality. He's too much of a tweener imo to justify taking him at 8, because I don't think he'll find many scoring opportunities in the NBA outside of spot up jump shots. I'd project him to be an effective bench player in the NBA, like Nate Robinson, or at best Jason Terry.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by SlimPack:

I guess I'm one of the few people not on the Curry bandwagon. I disagree that he could play the one for a significant stretch in the NBA, because of his scoring mentality. He's too much of a tweener imo to justify taking him at 8, because I don't think he'll find many scoring opportunities in the NBA outside of spot up jump shots. I'd project him to be an effective bench player in the NBA, like Nate Robinson, or at best Jason Terry.

Ben Gordon managed to find plenty of scoring opportunities even though he's a tweener...

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Posted by TMS:

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Posted by VDesai:

Yes but playing PG in the NBA is a lot different than playing PG for 1 year at Davidson where you're the only good player. His top skill and most NBA ready skill is shooting and he'll have to adjust to being more of a floor general and playing PG at the speed of the NBA rather than the Southern Conference against teams like Wofford and Elon. Davidson has been competetive with a lot of top notch teams, but that is still a major adjustment in game speed. He certainly has a good chance of doing it, but it is very much not a slam dunk- and that has to be taken into account in his valuation.

straight up, this still doesn't make sense to me...

if he had a pretty high assist total and was a PG on a bad team where he was the only good player why would that be a knock on him? if anything it shows that he made the team THAT much better because of his abilities to score and pass.

i'm not saying his whole game is ready to be pg, but the fact that bobby knight and others have raved about his passing ability and court vision amongst the best in the ncaa's why would this be dismissed so easily...

again because we know him as a shooter.

bobby knight starts off his commentary with this response to those who know him as a shooter and not as a passer.

i'm not saying it's a slam dunk either, but at 8 in this draft he's a pretty darn good pick for the knicks.

i will go on record again saying nor do i, nor the knicks (i suspect) have much interest in UK poster favs DeRonzan and Evans.

These guys are RAWER ATHLETES, which seems to be a popular obsession with internet b-ball fans, but they just not ready to help the Knicks next year much...who need INSTANT help next year to be competitive (as that is their goal...which makes sense from my perspective). the knicks want BASKETBALL PLAYERS, not ATHLETES.

wasn't that the big knock on isiah from some fans, that all he cared about was getting "younger and more athletic" which seemed sensible when the knicks had the slowest, oldest, most boring team in the nba. but the knicks don't have the luxury of waiting 3 years to see if DeRonzan and Evans can develop their games. Curry is ready, even if he has some potential shortcomings. his high b-ball iq, court vision/passing ability, leadership, maturity, and ice water jumper with crazy range are desperately needed on the knicks.

I agree, especially with the part in bold.... The "potential" tag entices a lot of internet fans, and the fact that both derozan and evans are freshman raises the level of intrigue more, I am sure. I just want a guy who can play ball, not just an athlete but a guy who can play with and make other guys better.

speaking for myself, i want a guy who i think can blossom into a star... i could care less about "instant results"... if it takes 3 years for a kid to develop into one, so be it... the best chance this franchise has of winning championships is by drafting kids w/franchise calibre potential... IMO Stephen Curry is not a kid who i would classify as having that type of potential... i think he's gonna be good but we need a stud to build around, & personally i feel that Derozan has that type of potential in him... IMO too many of y'all, including our own ownership, are obsessed with making the playoffs next year because we don't own our lottery pick & so are afraid to take a flyer on a kid who may take some time to develop into a star... losing a lottery pick makes no difference guys, we don't own the pick anyways... how can u lose something that u don't even own? doesn't make sense now does it?... we shouldn't even be caring about next year's pick at all... the SOLE focus should be on trying to land a franchise stud to build around... free agency in 2010 is already 1 of the main focuses, but we should always look to the draft also, because u have a better chance of drafting & grooming 1 of your own than you have of landing an already established one via free agency... if all this makes me an internet fan or whatever u wanna label it, so be it... we don't all have to like the same prospects.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-11-2009 2:23 PM]

I understand what you are saying 100%, but not every draft has a franchise talent in it, so the mistake I don't want to make is to take a flier on a kid with a load of potential and he ends up being another gerald green.. more than anything we need talent.. so what if curry becomes just a very good player.. add that with gallo, chandler, lee and a top tier FA and we have something... more than anything we can't waste this pick.. I like derozan, but there is something about the underclassmen this year that really scare me..

u know the draft is a crapshoot no matter who u pick... but my mentality is if u wanna win big, u gotta bet big... u can't win a championship by betting the pot minimum on every hand... sometimes u gotta go all in... sometimes ur gonna crap out with a Gerald Green, & sometimes ur gonna win big like w/Kobe Bryant... at this point none of us can really say whether Derozan will end up to be 1 or the other, but i'm down for taking that risk.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Are we comparing Ben Gordon to Curry? I have real questions about this guy's quickness.

On a team that already has issues as far as lacking a guard who can break down the defense (nate doesn't count and he's leaving) and perimeter defense... why would we draft a guard who you know is going to have trouble defending NBA guards and driving the basketball?

It just doesn't add up to me.

Tierney was talking about this on SNY last night. He said that if he had the 28th pick he'd be happy to take him, but not with the 8th and he's exactly right.

I didn't know that we knew Curry was going to have trouble driving the basketball in the NBA.

I think theres a great misconception out there that just because Curry is such a lights-out shooter than he can't drive the ball. I've seen him take the ball to the hoop plenty of times and he had no issues getting there. He's not Monta Ellis quick, but come on, give the kid his proper due.

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Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Are we comparing Ben Gordon to Curry? I have real questions about this guy's quickness.

On a team that already has issues as far as lacking a guard who can break down the defense (nate doesn't count and he's leaving) and perimeter defense... why would we draft a guard who you know is going to have trouble defending NBA guards and driving the basketball?

It just doesn't add up to me.

Tierney was talking about this on SNY last night. He said that if he had the 28th pick he'd be happy to take him, but not with the 8th and he's exactly right.

I didn't know that we knew Curry was going to have trouble driving the basketball in the NBA.

I think theres a great misconception out there that just because Curry is such a lights-out shooter than he can't drive the ball. I've seen him take the ball to the hoop plenty of times and he had no issues getting there. He's not Monta Ellis quick, but come on, give the kid his proper due.

Bro, I've seen him take it to the hoop over Sister Mary of the Blind too.

Do we want a feel good player or someone who actually has a chance at stardom?

With all of the dropouts from this draft Evans looks better and better. So does Derozan. So does Holiday.

Bob Knight thinks he's got amazing anticipation because he ran a basketball play. Wow. Congrats.

God bless the kid. He's made the most of his god given physical makeup.

There are limits to what he can do. The NBA is going to chew this little dude up.

You want to tell me you don't like Jennings or Evans or Derozan, fine I'll buy that Walsh. So trade down and get the Curry and Mullens or Curry and Holiday.

Taking Curry #8 is equal to the Raiders making Heyward Bey the top WR picked in this year's draft. Fine, you're sold on the guy. That doesn't mean that it is correct in any way to take them in that slot.

Find a way to extract the most value possible from that pick.

That is your job Donnie. Let's soo you wake up from your nap and do it.