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3/20/2009  10:08 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
The Nets are said to be interested in drafting 19-year-old Italian small forward Danilo Gallinari. The Knicks are believed to be high on him, too, and since they draft sixth, Gallinari may not be available when the Nets' turn comes up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/2008/06/24/2008-06-24_rod_thorn_says_nets_pick_in_draft_is_to_.html
"The Knicks are going to take Danilo Gallinari," Nets president Rod Thorn said last night, referring to the Italian forward who had been at the top of his wish list all month. "And the others have yet to make up their minds. Which means that we still have three or four different guys who can drop to us."

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/06/content_to_see_who_falls_their.html
The deadline for pulling out of the draft has passed, Gallinari is sticking around, and that may serve as ample confirmation that the agent is right.

"I think Jersey has given him a guarantee," the agent said. "Though it's more like, 'If you're still around at 10, we'll take you.' Just to keep him in it, a promise that they're not going to pass on him."

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/06/gallinari_guarantee.html

I think after all of these years you can realize all of the GMs BS their brains out before the draft

GM's, Coaches and Newspapers BS and make up stuff all year long. Yet we still take them all at their word
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3/20/2009  12:42 PM
People are way to worried about this. Gallinari has back problems because he hasn't stopped growing. Once he stops growing his back pain will go away. Its just a matter of him growing out of it. He seems to have growth spurts which cause problems for his body because it can't keep up with his growth spurt. Once he stops growing he will get stronger and his back will settle in.
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3/20/2009  12:53 PM
It is the height of myopic arrogance to think that any of us know all the prospects playing around the world, or that we really know how good a freshman, with one year of NCAA experience is going to be.


This reasoning is why we don't get KG's and Kobe's of the NBA and other teams do. If you cant see star potential in an athlete even in his senior year in HS then you shouldnt be working in the nBA.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 03-20-2009 1:01 PM]
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3/20/2009  1:02 PM
I said it from the beginning--I want to know who exactly was responsible for this pick. I want to know if they knew of any injury--even the slightest hint --why cant some of these dumb reporters pick up on this. My guess is the Knicks made it clear to not go there.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

It is the height of myopic arrogance to think that any of us know all the prospects playing around the world, or that we really know how good a freshman, with one year of NCAA experience is going to be.


This reasoning is why we don't get KG's and Kobe's of the NBA and other teams do. If you cant see star potential in an athlete even in his senior year in HS then you shouldnt be working in the nBA.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 03-20-2009 1:01 PM]

That is the what the Knicks saw in Gallo star potential so they drafted him. He has skills we all know that would like to see him play at 100% and only then we will understand his true potential. Until then we have to wait just as the Lakers waited on Kobe, just as T-Wolves waited on KG. Just have to wait and see what Gallo becomes. Right now the chips are down with his back ailment, but I think this is a growth issue more than anything. when the Knicks drafted him he was listed 6'9'' some are saying that he is 6'11'' now in that short span he has grown around 2'' I wouldn't be shock by the time training camp starts he will be a legit 7'. Gallo is out growing his body right now.
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3/20/2009  1:13 PM
outgrowing his body? what in the blue hell...
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3/20/2009  1:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

It is the height of myopic arrogance to think that any of us know all the prospects playing around the world, or that we really know how good a freshman, with one year of NCAA experience is going to be.


This reasoning is why we don't get KG's and Kobe's of the NBA and other teams do. If you cant see star potential in an athlete even in his senior year in HS then you shouldnt be working in the nBA.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 03-20-2009 1:01 PM]

You and I know that making picks is not something you can do correctly 100% of the time. If it is that easy perhaps you should volunteer your services to a team and then work your way up as your prove yourself. There are some sure bet players who everyone believes will be a star (Of course that does not mean the player will end up being a star.), but in most instances, there are disagreements about how far a particular kid will get in terms of success. As you move up from HS to college it becomes easier to pick out star quality because they are facing better competition, but to think that you can say, with certainty, that a HS will be a star in a team sport is actually a bit arrogant.

Making assurances of stardom for a player after a year in the league is easier to do, but even then you can't be sure because players aren't machines, and there are many things that can affect their performance as they continue to play.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 03-20-2009 1:37 PM]
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3/20/2009  1:36 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I said it from the beginning--I want to know who exactly was responsible for this pick. I want to know if they knew of any injury--even the slightest hint --why cant some of these dumb reporters pick up on this. My guess is the Knicks made it clear to not go there.

"What did you know and when did you know it?"

Yeah, I would really like to know about what the Knicks knew about his back if the Kiki comments are true.

If reporters are doing their jobs and the Knicks stonewall them, it only supports the theory that they did know he had a preexisting back injury. If they really say they "don't want to go there" the implications is that they are lying.

I am assuming that reporters will actually be trying to contact the Knicks about this story- I find it interesting that there has not been anything good written by any reputable source as I write this.
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3/20/2009  1:37 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:

It is the height of myopic arrogance to think that any of us know all the prospects playing around the world, or that we really know how good a freshman, with one year of NCAA experience is going to be.


This reasoning is why we don't get KG's and Kobe's of the NBA and other teams do. If you cant see star potential in an athlete even in his senior year in HS then you shouldnt be working in the nBA.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 03-20-2009 1:01 PM]

You and I know that making picks is not something you can do correctly 100% of the time. If it is that easy perhaps you should volunteer your services to a team and then work your way up as your prove yourself. There are some sure bet players who everyone believes will be a star, but in most instances, there are disagreements about how far a particular kid will get in terms of success. As you move up from HS to college it becomes easier to pick out star quality because they are facing better competition, but to think that you can say, with certainty, that a HS will be a star in a team sport is actually a bit arrogant.

Making assurances of stardom for a player after a year in the league is easier to do, but even then you can't be sure because players aren't machines, and there are many things that can affect their performance as they continue to play.

Think about it. The number of players that have star NBA type potential are scarce. I would love to see guys stay in college for 2-3 years but that is not happening ever again. You are NOT looking at a big pool of players in these decisions. I think it's all about projecting those few players. I cant see character or leadership which counts heavily from where Im sitting but I think I can see talent proven over many years.
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3/20/2009  1:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

outgrowing his body? what in the blue hell...

Its not normal for a 19-20 year old to have growth spurts he has grown 2 inches since he got drafted. By the time a person is 17-18 growth of ones body starts to curtail. This guy is still growing.
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3/20/2009  1:41 PM
You can never tell who is going to be a star. At 18 Tom Gugliotta was unwanted by anyone. He scored 2 pts a game as a freshman. He worked himself into a 20 pt, 9 rebound NBA player. There is a Tom Gugliotta in this league right now that we dont' know about. There is also a stud who will be injured and his career cut short. Or a stud who will become Stephon Marbury. Or a stud who eats his way out of the league or becomes bored with the game. Picking a prospect is no exact science. The can't misses like KG and Michael and Hakeem and Magic are so few and far between it's ridiculous to think your management team will get one each time they draft.

If the Knicks knew he was damaged goods then it was a dumb pick. But until someone can prove that he was "damaged goods" why would I sit here and aggravate myself over this. Worrying about if he can make it back healthy is enough aggravation for me.

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3/20/2009  1:42 PM
Posted by Vmart:
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outgrowing his body? what in the blue hell...

Its not normal for a 19-20 year old to have growth spurts he has grown 2 inches since he got drafted. By the time a person is 17-18 growth of ones body starts to curtail. This guy is still growing.

but how does one outgrow their own body? i'm confused?

but when it comes to gallo - this is the bottom line, his back is messed up. to the point where he is seeking advice in another country. not good no matter what it is. like i said, forget he was even drafted and move on. if he comes back, ok, if not, he's just another pick traded away.
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3/20/2009  1:55 PM
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outgrowing his body? what in the blue hell...

Its not normal for a 19-20 year old to have growth spurts he has grown 2 inches since he got drafted. By the time a person is 17-18 growth of ones body starts to curtail. This guy is still growing.

but how does one outgrow their own body? i'm confused?

but when it comes to gallo - this is the bottom line, his back is messed up. to the point where he is seeking advice in another country. not good no matter what it is. like i said, forget he was even drafted and move on. if he comes back, ok, if not, he's just another pick traded away.

Have you ever heard of growing pains. Thats what Gallo might be going through. Gallo's skeletal system might be growing faster than his muscular system can keep up with leading to weakness and pain. Once he stops growing his muscular system will catch up and his strength will come back to normal. That growing out of his body is just a fig. of speech.
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outgrowing his body? what in the blue hell...

Its not normal for a 19-20 year old to have growth spurts he has grown 2 inches since he got drafted. By the time a person is 17-18 growth of ones body starts to curtail. This guy is still growing.

but how does one outgrow their own body? i'm confused?

this explains it. Link
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Posted by Marv:
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outgrowing his body? what in the blue hell...

Its not normal for a 19-20 year old to have growth spurts he has grown 2 inches since he got drafted. By the time a person is 17-18 growth of ones body starts to curtail. This guy is still growing.

but how does one outgrow their own body? i'm confused?

this explains it. Link

You deserve one of those 'Lame Alba posts' that Jimi has for that lol.
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3/20/2009  2:15 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by djsunyc:

outgrowing his body? what in the blue hell...

Its not normal for a 19-20 year old to have growth spurts he has grown 2 inches since he got drafted. By the time a person is 17-18 growth of ones body starts to curtail. This guy is still growing.

but how does one outgrow their own body? i'm confused?

this explains it. Link

That is exactly what I'm trying to say.

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Posted by Bippity10:

You can never tell who is going to be a star. At 18 Tom Gugliotta was unwanted by anyone. He scored 2 pts a game as a freshman. He worked himself into a 20 pt, 9 rebound NBA player. There is a Tom Gugliotta in this league right now that we dont' know about. There is also a stud who will be injured and his career cut short. Or a stud who will become Stephon Marbury. Or a stud who eats his way out of the league or becomes bored with the game. Picking a prospect is no exact science. The can't misses like KG and Michael and Hakeem and Magic are so few and far between it's ridiculous to think your management team will get one each time they draft.

If the Knicks knew he was damaged goods then it was a dumb pick. But until someone can prove that he was "damaged goods" why would I sit here and aggravate myself over this. Worrying about if he can make it back healthy is enough aggravation for me.

How come all 3 of those studs have been on the Knicks in the past couple of years?
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The Knicks drafted Gallinari because of his passion & love for the game of basketball, work ethic, desire to be great, IQ, heart, toughness, confidence, intensity, poise. Then there is the fact that he was the star player and go to guy at 18-19yrs old vs grown as men in the top level in Europe. A guy that only played better as the pressure of the situation and game got higher. As the go to guy he was able to attack the basket drawing fouls, or shoot the ball from anywhere on the floor, Had good handle and passing ability for a guy his size.

They felt they were getting a guy with that *IT* factor characteristic wise, that all great basketball players have. As well as identifiable skill set with his ability to handle, shoot, and pass.

I don't believe he had serious back issues in the past because Draft express has scouting reports that have been scouting him since 2005 and none of the mention him having any type of back issues. And they have no reason to withhold that information if he did. Then there is the fact that Gallo played deep into the season last yr for his team which is why he missed some draft workouts during the draft. How is a player going to have serious back problems yet have the season that he had last yr in Europe as the go to guy with teams attacking him and putting there best and most aggressive player on him to slow him down? He was also able to play very well in the 2nd half of the summer league game until he got Trailor'd.

If he has serious back problems yet was still able to have the seasons he had in Europe then imagine if his back was never hurt. He would be like the greatest player ever.
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Draftnet has a scouting report from 2004 where they said Gallo had to stop playing because of a growth spurt.
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Posted by newyorknewyork:

The Knicks drafted Gallinari because of his passion & love for the game of basketball, work ethic, desire to be great, IQ, heart, toughness, confidence, intensity, poise. Then there is the fact that he was the star player and go to guy at 18-19yrs old vs grown as men in the top level in Europe. A guy that only played better as the pressure of the situation and game got higher. As the go to guy he was able to attack the basket drawing fouls, or shoot the ball from anywhere on the floor, Had good handle and passing ability for a guy his size.

They felt they were getting a guy with that *IT* factor characteristic wise, that all great basketball players have. As well as identifiable skill set with his ability to handle, shoot, and pass.

I don't believe he had serious back issues in the past because Draft express has scouting reports that have been scouting him since 2005 and none of the mention him having any type of back issues. And they have no reason to withhold that information if he did. Then there is the fact that Gallo played deep into the season last yr for his team which is why he missed some draft workouts during the draft. How is a player going to have serious back problems yet have the season that he had last yr in Europe as the go to guy with teams attacking him and putting there best and most aggressive player on him to slow him down? He was also able to play very well in the 2nd half of the summer league game until he got Trailor'd.

If he has serious back problems yet was still able to have the seasons he had in Europe then imagine if his back was never hurt. He would be like the greatest player ever.

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