Posted by djsunyc:

my point is that this whole "sticking with a team stuff" doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me. they are team that provides entertainment. if you are no longer entertained, why continue to watch and follow them?

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Posted by djsunyc:

my point is that this whole "sticking with a team stuff" doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me. they are team that provides entertainment. if you are no longer entertained, why continue to watch and follow them?

Again, it is more than entertainment for me, it is a love for my city and the team that represents NY..... It is real hard to explain I guess, but it is just more than entertainment. I watch just about every NBA game I can, so I gain entertainment that way, but rooting for a team, through the good and bad and watching them finally do well, goes way beyond entertainment for me as a fan...

Are you telling me, that the raptors entertain you?

just curious, not trying to argue...

Posted by djsunyc:

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LOL. that's alright papabear. it's simple. i loved the knicks. then i became a season ticket holder. i still loved the knicks but then as each year went by i started hating everything about them. the players, but most importantly management and ownership. to the point i realized that i no longer cheered for them. and at the same time, i found enjoyment in another team. so am i knicks fan anymore? the answer to that is no.

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...and i'm one of the few (remaining) that really liked what colangelo tried to do up there with bringing in euro players and taking gambles (like he did with pheonix). and i like alot of their players.

But, and correct me if I've misconstrued, you take a dim view of a Euro centric coach for the Knicks. What gives?

not at all. i wanted d'antoni in toronto big time (who would've been the perfect coach for them). but from early accounts of the team and after watching a few games in december/jan, it looked like he had the team basically just shooting 3's and didn't expand the playbook to his roster. but seeing how the knicks are playing lately, d'antoni is really getting the most out of them. so my thread about d'antoni's offense this season was premature and incorrect.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 7:29 PM]

It wasn't premature because overall he's ditched the 7 sec or less ALL-IN philosophy. Fans said regardless of what he could do as coach the team is 30-35 wins at best but they are playing at a pace above this. I was one who wanted him to do more of what he's doing now from the get go. Try and play more conventional while still incorporating his philosophy.

This goes back to the argument of he gets credit when the team wins but you can't criticize him when the team loses. LOL!


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-01-2009 7:54 PM]

There's a difference between valid criticisms and your litany of "LOLZ" posts, trying to insinuate you know more than every fan, coach and GM in the league.

D'antoni never said he would enforce the 7 secs or less rule here, plenty of us expected him to adapt his style to this team.

And you may have pegged us for 25-30 wins but most of us figured around 35, and that was before the "talent" dump.

D' had us playing good to start the season, then there was a readjustment period from the trades and guys getting extended minutes, the inevitable slumps, and you have a rut. Was it all really due to bad coaching? And now we're playing well again. Did D' just forget how to coach for a month, or were other things in play?

It's not that D' is above reproach, its just that if you're going to dump every slump at his doorstep you're gonna look like the kid who puts doodoo in a bag, puts it on someones door stoop, lights the bag on fire, and rings the doorbell. Sure, you can laugh at the sucker who gets his shoe dirty from your antics, but you're not looking as good as you think in the process. LoLz.

And, Mr Superior Basketball Instincts, do you still think Kobe is no better a leader than Marbury?

No I said 35wins this season, go look it up if you want. When my criticism of our coach rose about 4weeks ago I was told 35wins was actually wishful thinking, 30wins was probably the best we could do and the roster was barely worthy to be coached. I thought the trades were pretty much a wash in talent for development, except left us with less depth. He said we were better after the trades... so if we're going by what he says or doesn't say well I'm taking him on his word.

I was responding to your post in this thread, which I believe spoke to 25-30 wins before you edited it.

The argument was that the trades would allow us to break even in talent, at best, and that was if Mobley were active. I know this because I was one of the few arguing that we would keep pace after the trade, and that was my position. Putting aside the talent differential (theoretical or otherwise,) the point is that regardless of what was coming back, Slach and Crawful were our 2 highest scorers, so replacing both at the same time, mid-season, with just about anyone would entail an adjustment period - let alone when your replacements amount to nothing more than Harrington and TT. On top of that we only had 7 guys to suit up, so guy were getting very extended minutes. And these were guys who formerly came off the bench, so big minutes was an adjustments in itself.

Taking the point one step further, do you deny that D'Antoni has done as good a job as can be expected with this raggamuffin group of 6th men?

[quote]Kobe has matured and moved on from "SHIP BYNUM'S ARSE OUT FOR KIDD" to "OMFG I THINK I ALMOST KILLED OUR CHAMPIONSHIP HOPES IN 1 PLAY BY BLOWING OUT BYNUM'S KNEE" all in just a matter of 1 yr. Kobe wasn't a good leader 1 yr and a half ago Phil has stated several times Kobe has grown as a leader so at the time I made the statement yes it held true. The difference between the two no matter how selfish and jerky they choose to be Kobe is by far the elite player and isn't a stupid basketball player.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-02-2009 02:13 AM]

You also laughed at the Lakers for choosing to keep Kobe over Shaq, because you are smarter than every GM out there. Lolz.



[Edited by - blueseats on 02-02-2009 09:30 AM]

Oh My I said I would have traded Kobe not just let him walk away for nothing and by my count Shaq has won a chip since leaving the Lakers and Kobe hasn't.

Chris Bosh couldn't have been more emphatic in shooting down an ESPN report that said he'd already told Raptors president and general manager that he wouldn't re-sign in Toronto when he contract expires in 2010.

"No. No. No, I haven't told him that," Bosh said today after practice.

And just to add another layer of denial, he was asked whether his agent could have made the statement.

"No," he said.

The apparently non-issue arose Sunday when ESPN entertainer Stephen A. Smith boldly stated that the 24-year-old Bosh had told team officials he was leaving in a season and a half, not even citing anonymous sources.

It brought a quick denial today from both Bosh and Colangelo.

"It was a surprise to me and I can't be responsible for what other people say so ...," said Bosh, his voice trailing off in disgust. "I understand people are entitled to an opinion but making stuff up? We can't do that.

"Let's all be fair."

Colangelo also shot down another part of the report that suggested the Raptors might be amenable to trading the four-time all-star.

"There's no truth to the rumour or the speculation that he said anything to us in the organization, that he's going to be leaving," said the general manager. "There's no truth to the fact that he's on the trading block or being shopped in any regard.

"This is just another example of information that's out there that's not true ... There just doesn't seem to a lot of accountability with respect to the topic sometimes and that's why we're here today talking about it."

Bosh is one of a group of highly coveted 2010 free agents, a group that includes LeBron James and Dwyane Wade. Speculation has been rife for months about his future, and will continue without doubt.

"It doesn't make me angry, it's like, 'come on, man,'" said Bosh. "I think it's unfair just to be able to say something and we have to be politically correct. It's tough, it's not the first time it's happened and it won't be the lat and I'm not the first person this has happened to. That's the business that we're in."