Posted by holfresh:


Huh??...If I remember correctly, Brown was the guy who went to the media and began speaking about the construction of the team...He was the guy who went to the media and questioned the intelligence of the players and the schools they attended...

Brown got treated like a rook because he disrespected himself and his players...

I don't know what this is in response to, but coaches are required to speak to the media after every game, and everything he said was true.

Earlier this season I was posting/laughing that the stuff D'Antoni was saying was just as bad, if not worse than LB. For instance, Eddy's throwing up was good for losing weight. And can you imagine what he'd be saying about not having a head out there if he didn't have Duhon running the show?

Thick skulled players need to be challenged, why do you take such offense to that? Are you still of the mind that Isiah put together a roster for the future that only needed a good coach to reveal their greatness, and coach after coach fails the team because they are driven by a sordid personal agenda?

Free Steph! Free Isiah! Free Eddy!

Pointing the finger at Brown is weak. Personally, I would have given him at least 2-3 years and allowed him to participate in personnel decisions, like any coach should. At the same time, I would have been okay with his firing if Isiah and Marbury went with him.

Brown landed in a dysfunctional cesspool and tried to purge the mess. If he was supported by management he might have made some headway. Instead management increased the turbulence, insuring failure. Then management got its chance to get pulled under by the same mess they created.

Ultimately, Brown is a damn good coach. If management works with him he offers you as much a chance to win as any coach in the game. If you're Isiah, you get 23 wins with him or without him.

I don't know. There is a reason why Brown is known as the Nomad Coach. Sebstar hit the nail on the head, he is a very good coach but has similar issues like a T.O. that interfere with his ability to stay focus. He falls in and out of love with his players so quickly. His only championship team didn't care if he came back or not. The only called him a "bad" man. I give it another season and we see what will happen. Like I said Bobcats are very lucky that Curry has been injured so far this season. Because it could have been ugly for them.

Blue, you choose to argue the same arguments again, as opposed to the underlying pop cultural dynamics of the failed LB experiment? Why God, why?

Posted by Pharzeone:

Brown all but admitted to the Reggie Miller trade request but all you have to do is ask the man running the show now at MSG and he is willing to go into a bit of detail about those strange request from Brown as he told NY media on his hire when asking if he can deal with Dolan since Brown couldn't. Brown indeed asked for a Robinson trade which got him fired immediately. Brown stormed into Dumar's office after the NBA finals and demanded that Billups, the Finals MVP be traded because Brown was so tired of his horrible shot selection. Dumars was caught off guard but told Brown no. This continue to be an issue with Brown and Dumars the following season which led Brown into talking fondly about coming back home to NY and all those nice rumors. We all know how that worked out. Danny Manning btw, the guy he talked so much about during his career, wanted to be traded from the Clippers as soon as he learned that his former college coach would be joining him. It goes both ways with Brown, there are those who say great things and others who you thought would say negative.
I am not sure if any of Brown blowups are really murky. Just some people refused to believe that such a quality coach would have this type of issue.

Phar you beat me to it. I'll admitt, I dont remember the Reggie Miller trade request, but I do remember the Billups article where Brown wanted to trade him while his MVP trophy was still warm. I also remember Danny Manning, who just won a championship with brown at Kansas, didn't want him as a coach in the NBA......Excellent post Phar. But I'm sure the Larry lovers will want proof...IE,the actual article, a still photo of Brown talking to Dumars about Billups, Audio, Video, Fingers prints of him on the scene and an affidavit with LBs sig....and still they will dismiss it and defend him.

Posted by Uptown:


Phar you beat me to it. I'll admitt, I dont remember the Reggie Miller trade request, but I do remember the Billups article where Brown wanted to trade him while his MVP trophy was still warm.

Do me a favor and post this stuff for my own edification. I've googled arond looking for Brown wanting to trade Billups, Robinson, Miller, etc, and come up empty. Stuff like Robinson and Miller I can understand since articles weren't posted on the net back then, but this Billups stuff is recent history. It shouldn't be hard.

I also remember Danny Manning, who just won a championship with brown at Kansas, didn't want him as a coach in the NBA......Excellent post Phar.

Danny Manny was a soft ass p/ussy with HOF talent. He was the face and leader of a soft ass Clippers team. I'm not surprised Manning was a cry baby for being coached hard.

The stark reality is that Brown will take on his franchise players in exactly the same way as he does 2nd round scrubs. There are guys who want it that way. Duncan asked Pops to treat him like Parker and everyone else. After Brown, Ben Wallace told Chicago before signing that he preferred a hrad style of coaching and made it a prerequisite to signing. Guys like Ewing and Malone loved to be coached hard by Riley and Sloan respectively.

And then you have guys you can't get through to, like Marbury and Iverson, who in spite of HOF talent are now journeymen in the league. Yes, Brown and Miller clashed heads over his role, but ask Reggie what he thinks of Brown in retropsect. Ditto David Robinson, Mo Ckeeks, Billups, etc. Brown is willing to get ugly with his players, but its not personal, its about buying intot the team concept and fulfilling potential. Are you surprised that some little bitch boys get upset when their superstardom is challenged? Do you want the coach to cater to their whineyness? Do you think spoiled little 19 year olds like Carmelo know more about winning basketball than legendary coaches?

But I'm sure the Larry lovers will want proof...IE,the actual article, a still photo of Brown talking to Dumars about Billups, Audio, Video, Fingers prints of him on the scene and an affidavit with LBs sig....and still they will dismiss it and defend him.

yes, I defend Brown for knowing how to win.

Read at least page 1 of this three page article. It's written in the regular season of 2001, the year Philly went to the finals. It tells how Iverson got the wakeup call when Philly actually started to shop him. He finally got that the team needed him to to take his leadership seriously, and he did. And that's when they made headway and peaked.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCJ/is_5_28/ai_71187961

But you guys don't care if LB got through to him and they were successful before it, you care that they didn't like him, or that his methods are too harsh. You want someone warm and fuzzy who the players will like because he puts them above himself and the team. But when does that sheet win?