Posted by GKFv2:

Briggs with the genius again. He compares Lee and bone spurs in his ankle to Gallinari and his back condition. First off Lee could walk, that's why he was STILL PLAYING with his injury. It wasn't that serious or else he would have been on the sideline. And iron man Lee has sat out a game due to the flu. If Gallinari did this he would be lambasted on here. Bottom line is a back problem is one of the worst to have. Bip mentioned why but I also don't agree with his reasoning. It IS because it's one of the most painful. You cannot move your upper body without feeling pain, run without feeling pain, make any movement without feeling pain. The spine is a very tender part of the body and must be treated with caution. You people are not doctors and neither am I but at least get educated on some things before you call "fake injury."

Posted by BasketballJones:

I don't know why we're wasting time discussing Gallinari. He's got a bad back at 19. He got injured after what - one summer league game? That's not a good sign.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by BasketballJones:

I don't know why we're wasting time discussing Gallinari. He's got a bad back at 19. He got injured after what - one summer league game? That's not a good sign.

All the more reason not to rush him back.

Posted by BigRedDog:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by BigRedDog:

Sebstar, I don't know you but are you F'in kidding me? Did you ever graduate high school? Junior High? What an ignorant statement.

You know what. You're too slow. Yeah, you pissed me off. Trying to punk me out and insult my intelligence just because you disagree with something I wrote. Bytchmade.

What specifically caused the injury? Is this something they knew about before they drafted him, or is he damaged goods. He got bumped in a preseason game and we have hardly seen him since.

Why the hell do you think there are so many flops in the NBA? It’s not because of talent, more often than not. Its because the NBA is a man's league and people just don’t want to deal with the rigueur and ungodly physical demands of the league night in and night out for 82 games. Some players just get all the money they can and dip. It happens more than you think, but because the media has pushed this lazy, primadonna, stereotype of NBA players people think the NBA is a glorified YMCA pick up game.

Besides disagreeing with what you said it just didn't make sense from a medical standpoint. He has a back problem and you are telling him to be a man and play through it. And then call him a puss if he doesn't play? You call that an educated statement? No way did you graduate magna cum unless its some community college. If its from a real college then you plagerized and cheated through. Again you make no sense in this post. In one part you call the NBA a "mans league" but then site the reason is the number of flops. Real men wouldn't flop. You just don't make sense. Try to make reasonable points that people can follow.

You're definitely a moron. Thats for sure.

You're operating under the premise that the back injury IS SEVERE enough to keep him out of action for so long. Its a disputable point, its not a fact. You or I dont know, so your logic, if you want to call it that, is completely faulty.

Posted by BigRedDog:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by BigRedDog:

Sebstar, I don't know you but are you F'in kidding me? Did you ever graduate high school? Junior High? What an ignorant statement.

You know what. You're too slow. Yeah, you pissed me off. Trying to punk me out and insult my intelligence just because you disagree with something I wrote. Bytchmade.

What specifically caused the injury? Is this something they knew about before they drafted him, or is he damaged goods. He got bumped in a preseason game and we have hardly seen him since.

Why the hell do you think there are so many flops in the NBA? It’s not because of talent, more often than not. Its because the NBA is a man's league and people just don’t want to deal with the rigueur and ungodly physical demands of the league night in and night out for 82 games. Some players just get all the money they can and dip. It happens more than you think, but because the media has pushed this lazy, primadonna, stereotype of NBA players people think the NBA is a glorified YMCA pick up game.

Besides disagreeing with what you said it just didn't make sense from a medical standpoint. He has a back problem and you are telling him to be a man and play through it. And then call him a puss if he doesn't play? You call that an educated statement? No way did you graduate magna cum unless its some community college. If its from a real college then you plagerized and cheated through. Again you make no sense in this post. In one part you call the NBA a "mans league" but then site the reason is the number of flops. Real men wouldn't flop. You just don't make sense. Try to make reasonable points that people can follow.

Oh snaps...just noticed something with this drivel. I was wondering why it was so confusing. When I said "flops" I was talking about busts or players that dont pan out. I wasnt talking about the physical action of a Ginobli. I think that was pretty clear in the context of the post. God, you really are dumb.

Posted by nyk4ever:

I'm as impatient as everyone else because I want to see what Gallo is as a player, but if the kid can't play then he cant play right now.

Why does everyone have to be so quick to rush to judgment about Gallo being a failed pick. Just so they can be right? If he comes back and plays well, the same people spouting off on him will just say "I was hoping he'd play for us, that's all I wanted" so it really doesnt matter. Everyone has their asses covered here by claiming Knicks fandom if he plays well and if he doesn't you can brag about how he was a bust pick before even watching him play a second in the NBA.

Why can't everyone just wait and see?

Posted by Paladin55:

I have to admit that even if I did not believe that Gallinari was a decent pick and believe he will be a fine player if healthy... in fact, even if I hated him for some reason, I would be rooting for him to recover and become a decent player just so I could see how some of you will deal with it. It will make for some interesting reading, given the fact that many have some rather strong hate for the guy. I will bet that some of you are actually hoping (secretly, of course) that he does flop, so that it verifies your rather childish views about playing with injuries, European players, and life in general.

I had a rotator cuff injury that I got while wrestling my heavyweight years ago. I was in some major pain but I decided not to go to the doctor at the time and gutted it out. A week later I thought I was better and I was working with a kid my size and I did a simple move which is puts your arm through the same motion as a hook shot, but with a guy draped over your arm. Big mistake. Put me in a painful situation for a number of months and I finally had an MRI which showed a partial tear. I could not even hold up my arm to put up notes in my classes (my students seemed to like this fact), and of course, I stopped doing anything physical in a wrestling room. Playing through the pain and not getting immediate medical treatment was idiotic on my part, but I was the tough guy and did not realize what I was putting my body through. I wish that I had thought things out a little more back then.


As some of the more rational, and less defiance posters have said, why not wait a few years before reaching a final conclusion about Gallinari. Why not hold back some of your harsh words, irrationality, and crazy conspiracies now, so that in 3 years, if the Rooster turns out to be a chicken, your renewed attacks on him will seem more fresh and original?

Just a thought.

Posted by CrushAlot:

I guess one of my issues is that this was not a pick to get tricky with. There were very good known players available at 6 that could have helped the Knicks for the next decade. The team won 23 games. I think Gallo was a reach and a risk. I don't think Walsh did his homework. He said he had only seen Gallo some on tape. D'Antoni never endorsed the pick and there were articles in the papers where he was quoted as saying he had to be convinced. I don't think you get tricky or take a chance when you are a 23 win team that needed so much help. I don't think anyone wants Gallo to fail. I know I just wanted the organization to be responsible with the pick. I don't think they were. They didn't have to take a risk or be tricky. Especially when it doesn't appear that the GM scouted him and the coach didn't want him over other guys available.

I know I just wanted the organization to be responsible with the pick. I don't think they were.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Paladin55:

I have to admit that even if I did not believe that Gallinari was a decent pick and believe he will be a fine player if healthy... in fact, even if I hated him for some reason, I would be rooting for him to recover and become a decent player just so I could see how some of you will deal with it. It will make for some interesting reading, given the fact that many have some rather strong hate for the guy. I will bet that some of you are actually hoping (secretly, of course) that he does flop, so that it verifies your rather childish views about playing with injuries, European players, and life in general.

I had a rotator cuff injury that I got while wrestling my heavyweight years ago. I was in some major pain but I decided not to go to the doctor at the time and gutted it out. A week later I thought I was better and I was working with a kid my size and I did a simple move which is puts your arm through the same motion as a hook shot, but with a guy draped over your arm. Big mistake. Put me in a painful situation for a number of months and I finally had an MRI which showed a partial tear. I could not even hold up my arm to put up notes in my classes (my students seemed to like this fact), and of course, I stopped doing anything physical in a wrestling room. Playing through the pain and not getting immediate medical treatment was idiotic on my part, but I was the tough guy and did not realize what I was putting my body through. I wish that I had thought things out a little more back then.


As some of the more rational, and less defiance posters have said, why not wait a few years before reaching a final conclusion about Gallinari. Why not hold back some of your harsh words, irrationality, and crazy conspiracies now, so that in 3 years, if the Rooster turns out to be a chicken, your renewed attacks on him will seem more fresh and original?

Just a thought.

If fans are saying we want the player on the court--we want him to succeed. This has been 7.5 years of excuses with the highest payroll every year. This was a risky pick when we had a potential 20-10 C drop unexpectedly and we needed one. I think the disappointment of this scenario with Gallinari has only angered some fans more. You only came around when Gallinari was picked--so I'm guessing you may be new to the scene and had a hand in picking Gallinari or know him personally--so you are touchy when people are critical as I have noticed. How about taking into account what has been going on here with the yearly incompetence embarrassment and failure of this team which the fans have had to endure? Right now Gallinari is a bust pick until proven otherwise when we are talking bottom line. I don't understand why he is taking so long to heal at 19 years old. This is a sign of mental and physical softness--traits we don't need. Showing some heart and playing through it--even just a little bit would atleast show a sign of toughness. You have to just go do it.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 01-07-2009 10:06 PM]

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 01-07-2009 10:06 PM]

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Paladin55:

I have to admit that even if I did not believe that Gallinari was a decent pick and believe he will be a fine player if healthy... in fact, even if I hated him for some reason, I would be rooting for him to recover and become a decent player just so I could see how some of you will deal with it. It will make for some interesting reading, given the fact that many have some rather strong hate for the guy. I will bet that some of you are actually hoping (secretly, of course) that he does flop, so that it verifies your rather childish views about playing with injuries, European players, and life in general.

I had a rotator cuff injury that I got while wrestling my heavyweight years ago. I was in some major pain but I decided not to go to the doctor at the time and gutted it out. A week later I thought I was better and I was working with a kid my size and I did a simple move which is puts your arm through the same motion as a hook shot, but with a guy draped over your arm. Big mistake. Put me in a painful situation for a number of months and I finally had an MRI which showed a partial tear. I could not even hold up my arm to put up notes in my classes (my students seemed to like this fact), and of course, I stopped doing anything physical in a wrestling room. Playing through the pain and not getting immediate medical treatment was idiotic on my part, but I was the tough guy and did not realize what I was putting my body through. I wish that I had thought things out a little more back then.


As some of the more rational, and less defiance posters have said, why not wait a few years before reaching a final conclusion about Gallinari. Why not hold back some of your harsh words, irrationality, and crazy conspiracies now, so that in 3 years, if the Rooster turns out to be a chicken, your renewed attacks on him will seem more fresh and original?

Just a thought.

If fans are saying we want the player on the court--we want him to succeed. This has been 7.5 years of excuses with the highest payroll every year. This was a risky pick when we had a potential 20-10 C drop unexpectedly and we needed one. I think the disappointment of this scenario with Gallinari has only angered some fans more. You only came around when Gallinari was picked--so I'm guessing you may be new to the scene and had a hand in picking Gallinari or know him personally--so you are touchy when people are critical as I have noticed. How about taking into account what has been going on here with the yearly incompetence embarrassment and failure of this team which the fans have had to endure? Right now Gallinari is a bust pick until proven otherwise when we are talking bottom line. I don't understand why he is taking so long to heal at 19 years old. This is a sign of mental and physical softness--traits we don't need. Showing some heart and playing through it--even just a little bit would atleast show a sign of toughness. You have to just go do it.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 01-07-2009 10:06 PM]

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 01-07-2009 10:06 PM]

I am unwilling to reach a definitive conclusion on a guy who has not really stepped on the court for us. I also react to premature judgments made without any real understanding of the kid's injury. I have written enough about injuries other players have had, and as I mention above, my own situation a number of years back to know that you have to judge injuries case by case, and it is usually better to be cautious than rash.

I have to say that some of the statements I read on this site sound like they can be coming from the 17 and 18 year old kids I have to listen to in my school. None of us, including me, really know about Gallinari's injury, other than the little snippets of info the Knicks leak out, yet that does not stop some of you from making statements so far from reality that I have to laugh at the ignorance they are coming from.

Wait and watch. I have been a fan since 1967, so I have put up with things a lot longer than most of you guys. We have no control over this injury, what the Knicks have done in the past, or what they will do in the future. I like to read things which make me think, but a lot of the stuff relating to the pick of this kid comes from ignorance and foolish speculation, and when I see this I am compelled to comment.

And yes, I think some people want this pick to fail because they think it will validate their basketball fan IQ. If he turns out to be a stud, a lot of you are going to look foolish.

I prefer to wait, watch, and hope.

Paladin, i couldn't have said it any better... i salute u.