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martin
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1/2/2009  2:10 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by martin:

Cos, you are injecting too much assumption on your own part all over the place.

And you've done the same because your opinion is well a matter of opinion is it not? I haven't seen you post anything factorial on the topic to counter my point of view ya feel me?

you made the initial assertion that waiving Marbury now is best for the team, not me.
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1/2/2009  2:11 PM
nysportsfan11, just tell me how u weren't contradictory in that last post u made... tell me what your stance is, do u think the Knicks have the right to handle this any way they wish or don't u? if Donnie deems a $3 mil dollar less buyout offer to be fair then who the hell are u to pretend like u'r point of view holds water above his or any fan that may agree w/him? who the hell are u to ridicule the opposing viewpoints of other fans like urself just because u don't agree w/theirs?
Move on already.

Is it not just a little coincidental that this story would "break" just 2 days before NY plays Boston, and was made sure to get to Stein in time for the Friday news cycle as opposed to the weekend? So now the focus is ONCE AGAIN on Marbury.

Shortsighted, overpaid, star****ing deals like Steph's are what got the Knicks in this entire cap-hell predicament. At the end of the day, Colangelo atoned for his mistake as soon as he realized it and Isiah and Dolan were all too happy to help him create a contender...in Phoenix.

What do you prove by holding out to get back $3-5mil in a buyout when you've already paid the guy over $100 million and doled out an additional $100 million for being over the cap every year he was here? You have 1 playoff series (in which you were embarrassed), a record of 88-151 and countless controversies and headlines to show for $200 million and NOW you want to bitch about his deal? Is that vindication or pettiness? Oh yeah, we got back 1.5%, that'll show em who's boss and we're not to be taken lightly. Please.

Either let him walk or let him expire. Just as he has every right to expect to be paid, the Knicks have every right to do whatever the **** they want within the rules of the CBA until July 1, 2009. If they are fortunate enough, they'll find a lucky dumbass who's willing to trade for his expiring. You don't want him to play for a contender because you for some reason give a ****? Waive him after March 2nd, which isn't THAT far away. Personally, if they let him walk before then and he ends up with the Celtics or Lakers, who gives a ****? Whopdee-****ing-do. Jud Bueschler has a ring too.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-02-2009 11:17 AM]
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1/2/2009  2:11 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Guys, chill. Don't force Martin and Andrew to censor the word "Asswipe".

right, we need to store it up and use it in a thread title when Marbury is waived (after the trade deadline, right Cos? Cause that's best for the team).
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1/2/2009  2:12 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by martin:

Cos, you are injecting too much assumption on your own part all over the place.

And you've done the same because your opinion is well a matter of opinion is it not? I haven't seen you post anything factorial on the topic to counter my point of view ya feel me?

you made the initial assertion that waiving Marbury now is best for the team, not me.

And......? I believe it is and I'm likely not alone. I thought I made good points as to why. *shrugs*
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1/2/2009  2:13 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BasketballJones:

Guys, chill. Don't force Martin and Andrew to censor the word "Asswipe".

right, we need to store it up and use it in a thread title when Marbury is waived (after the trade deadline, right Cos? Cause that's best for the team).

LOL.

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1/2/2009  2:15 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by martin:

Cos, you are injecting too much assumption on your own part all over the place.

And you've done the same because your opinion is well a matter of opinion is it not? I haven't seen you post anything factorial on the topic to counter my point of view ya feel me?

you made the initial assertion that waiving Marbury now is best for the team, not me.

And......? I believe it is and I'm likely not alone. I thought I made good points as to why. *shrugs*

right, but you backed up the assertion with mostly assumptions.
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1/2/2009  2:17 PM
Regardless of all of that, I'd like to know how KG, Danny and Doc plan on mediating that locker room with Eddie House and Steph in close confines on a daily basis. That locker room is already fragile. Sure, Paul/Ray are "friends" of Steph's and yes, guys have hated each other and worked/won together in the past, but with Steph and Eddie, we're talking about 2 knuckleheads publicly beefing over a woman for the past year, now fighting for minutes. Then you've got KG and his old wounds. And you're adding a guy who hasn't won **** since Lincoln, nor has he ever shown an ability to be anything less than the #1 option or humble himself. I don't see how that works out.

If I'm LeBron and the Cavs, I'm praying this goes down.
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1/2/2009  2:27 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by martin:

Cos, you are injecting too much assumption on your own part all over the place.

And you've done the same because your opinion is well a matter of opinion is it not? I haven't seen you post anything factorial on the topic to counter my point of view ya feel me?

you made the initial assertion that waiving Marbury now is best for the team, not me.

And......? I believe it is and I'm likely not alone. I thought I made good points as to why. *shrugs*

right, but you backed up the assertion with mostly assumptions.

You're killing me here lol... and until you bring some factorials into this conversation I'm escapegoating my way outta here.
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1/2/2009  2:30 PM
i almost wish for the Celtics to sign him to see what would happen but that's still not enough for the Knicks to cater to Marbury here... he rejected a completely fair offer when he had the chance to separate himself from this franchise & go play elsewhere & took his own offer off the table himself... after that he lost any claim to any type of fair, unfair or whatever else type of treatment... what else does Donnie have to do for him? stand by his side w/some wetnaps in hand & wipe Steph's butt the next time next time he gotta take a dump? seriously, i don't get how some of you wanna cater to this guy again after all the crap he's put this franchise through... yeah, ur damn right it's vindictive to make him wait out til after the postseason deadline to sign players, & that's exactly what he deserves.
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1/2/2009  2:34 PM
There is one thing that as not been addressed in this issue of Marbury signing with the Cekts they have no roster space, which means they would have to waive someone like Cassell or Davis or Powe or Pruitt who has a team option for next yr, the others have their contracts expire at the end of this season.
I really don't think that the Celtics cut any of these players to bring in Marblehead, who can be a chemistry killer which teeam chemistry is something this team as attributed their start in this season to, so why fix something that isn't broken, yet?

[Edited by - Hoopsmeister on 01-02-2009 2:49 PM]
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1/2/2009  2:38 PM
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Regardless of all of that, I'd like to know how KG, Danny and Doc plan on mediating that locker room with Eddie House and Steph in close confines on a daily basis. That locker room is already fragile. Sure, Paul/Ray are "friends" of Steph's and yes, guys have hated each other and worked/won together in the past, but with Steph and Eddie, we're talking about 2 knuckleheads publicly beefing over a woman for the past year, now fighting for minutes. Then you've got KG and his old wounds. And you're adding a guy who hasn't won **** since Lincoln, nor has he ever shown an ability to be anything less than the #1 option or humble himself. I don't see how that works out.

If I'm LeBron and the Cavs, I'm praying this goes down.

LOL Eddie and Marbury fighting over interns again?
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Can anyone give me a logical reason why any NBA team would cut there best player without at least attempting to get something in return? As a new GM for a team that has been used by every player under the sun for the last 7 years, I don't let him go unless he accepts some of my terms or I've exhausted all possible trade scenarios. It's easy to sit back and say you can't trade Marbs and get anything of worth. That may be true, but what's the harm in trying? Without Marbs here we are still 12-18.
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1/2/2009  3:00 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Can anyone give me a logical reason why any NBA team would cut there best player without at least attempting to get something in return? As a new GM for a team that has been used by every player under the sun for the last 7 years, I don't let him go unless he accepts some of my terms or I've exhausted all possible trade scenarios. It's easy to sit back and say you can't trade Marbs and get anything of worth. That may be true, but what's the harm in trying? Without Marbs here we are still 12-18.

Can I get an A-MEN?
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1/2/2009  3:07 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Can anyone give me a logical reason why any NBA team would cut there best player without at least attempting to get something in return? As a new GM for a team that has been used by every player under the sun for the last 7 years, I don't let him go unless he accepts some of my terms or I've exhausted all possible trade scenarios. It's easy to sit back and say you can't trade Marbs and get anything of worth. That may be true, but what's the harm in trying? Without Marbs here we are still 12-18.

i agree w/u we should exhaust all possible options... in my view there's no reason whatsoever to cut him loose right now because when they put him in exile they accomplished the goal i wanted all along, which was to get him away from the rest of the team... if Donnie can somehow find a deal out there for him, all blessings to him... i doubt it's gonna happen but like u said no harm in trying... & if the trade deadline comes & goes & still no takers but the Knicks still want to buy him out, then they should do it on their terms & not on Marbury's.
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1/2/2009  3:12 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

Can anyone give me a logical reason why any NBA team would cut there best player without at least attempting to get something in return? As a new GM for a team that has been used by every player under the sun for the last 7 years, I don't let him go unless he accepts some of my terms or I've exhausted all possible trade scenarios. It's easy to sit back and say you can't trade Marbs and get anything of worth. That may be true, but what's the harm in trying? Without Marbs here we are still 12-18.

i agree w/u we should exhaust all possible options... in my view there's no reason whatsoever to cut him loose right now because when they put him in exile they accomplished the goal i wanted all along, which was to get him away from the rest of the team... if Donnie can somehow find a deal out there for him, all blessings to him... i doubt it's gonna happen but like u said no harm in trying... & if the trade deadline comes & goes & still no takers but the Knicks still want to buy him out, then they should do it on their terms & not on Marbury's.

This notion that he is a distraction is poppycola. The team has already moved on. It's the fan's and media that can't seem to move on.
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1/2/2009  3:14 PM
I have no problem with the way Walsh is handling this. If he buys him out and we move on, great! If he tries to get something for his expiring contract even better. But this notion that we have to buy him out at all costs because the Post and the Daily News like to drum up stories about him daily is ridiculous.
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1/2/2009  3:25 PM
Posted by martin:
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Regardless of all of that, I'd like to know how KG, Danny and Doc plan on mediating that locker room with Eddie House and Steph in close confines on a daily basis. That locker room is already fragile. Sure, Paul/Ray are "friends" of Steph's and yes, guys have hated each other and worked/won together in the past, but with Steph and Eddie, we're talking about 2 knuckleheads publicly beefing over a woman for the past year, now fighting for minutes. Then you've got KG and his old wounds. And you're adding a guy who hasn't won **** since Lincoln, nor has he ever shown an ability to be anything less than the #1 option or humble himself. I don't see how that works out.

If I'm LeBron and the Cavs, I'm praying this goes down.

LOL Eddie and Marbury fighting over interns again?

Yeah, both got caught up in a real messy situation, so yeah, it looks like the Celtics will be having in depth conversations about getting caught up in life. Half those guys don't like each other anyway. But it's just like Ainge to want to add a time bomb to all of that.
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1/2/2009  3:39 PM
THE CELTICS HAVE NO ROSTER SPACE AVAILABLE SO THIS WHOLE THING IS NOT A REAL ISSUE, THE CELTS HAVE TO DROP CASSELL or POWE or DAVIS OR PRUITT, THEY WILL NOT DO ANY OF THIS, SO WHAT"S THE BIG DEAL?.

PLUS THERE IS TALK ABOUT ADDING PJ BROWN, SO NOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO DROP 2 PLAYERS. WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT HAPPENING?, PRETTY SLIM TO NONE!.

[Edited by - Hoopsmeister on 01-02-2009 3:43 PM]
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Posted by Hoopsmeister:

THE CELTICS HAVE NO ROSTER SPACE AVAILABLE SO THIS WHOLE THING IS NOT A REAL ISSUE, THE CELTS HAVE TO DROP CASSELL or POWE or DAVIS OR PRUITT, THEY WILL NOT DO ANY OF THIS, SO WHAT"S THE BIG DEAL?.

OR THEY CAN CUT PATRICK O'BRYANT, J.R. GIDDENS OR BILL WALKER.
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1/2/2009  3:45 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Hoopsmeister:

THE CELTICS HAVE NO ROSTER SPACE AVAILABLE SO THIS WHOLE THING IS NOT A REAL ISSUE, THE CELTS HAVE TO DROP CASSELL or POWE or DAVIS OR PRUITT, THEY WILL NOT DO ANY OF THIS, SO WHAT"S THE BIG DEAL?.

OR THEY CAN CUT PATRICK O'BRYANT, J.R. GIDDENS OR BILL WALKER.

Nope, they all have 2 yrs , this one and next yr, they will not cut any young players with 2 yrs for Marbury, that will not happen, so try again.


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