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GAME THREAD: Knicks take a trip to the Circus to pay a visit to the Clown. (Larry, that is) -- 7PM
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Cosmic
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12/30/2008  11:16 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hey, Uptown how about taking it to the coach after hearing about no executions being drawn up instead of throwing blanket praises.

As I said, there is a difference between calling a set play from the bench each time down the floor, and simply running your predicated offense.

We....did neither though. That's the problem. From minute six to minute two left in the fourth it was a total disaster offense. No set plays - no running our predicated offense as you call it. Instead it was a slowed down half court mess of an offense that required a go-to-guy who can go 1-1 and be successful of whom we don't have on the roster. It got the Cats back into the game.

The only reason the final two minutes went our way was a couple of calls in our favor and Chandler being aggressive (as he should always be) and making his shots.

Honestly, the last six minutes of the game, it was as if nobody was coaching anything. I kinda agree with Phar here... and against a slightly better team we lose tonight as a result of that mis-coached garbage we all saw.

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Cosmic
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12/30/2008  11:18 PM
Posted by tkf:

much needed win. wilson played great late and saved us from a win...

This team just lacks some smart players.. Period..

Yeah, the total lack of intelligence on this team, especially the second half of the fourth quarter, is downright alarming.

Well, on the one side it's a good thing it's being exposed, because we know who the team won't try to keep when building a winner starting in 2010. To be honest, maybe... NO ONE lol.

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12/30/2008  11:26 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hey, Uptown how about taking it to the coach after hearing about no executions being drawn up instead of throwing blanket praises.

As I said, there is a difference between calling a set play from the bench each time down the floor, and simply running your predicated offense. I am a middle school coach, (I mention this for a point) and we have a set offense that we run just about every time down the floor depending on the defense. I dotn have to call anything, its a set motion offense we run that I drill them on in practice everyday. Now, I have set plays that I call as well, when needed.

I'm not sure what premiss Chandler meant when he said we didn't call any plays. Did he mean they just stood around and went one on one? Or, did they still move the ball, cut and screen away until something opens up. That might not be a called play, but its a set motion offense. Theres a difference.

[Edited by - uptown on 12-30-2008 11:00 PM]

My assumption based on Tina's questions where his drives in the 4th quarter. I noticed during the game that the Knicks didn't have any set plays. I would say ok he meant D'Antoni was in motion offense but that wasn't apparent from the previous plays where the Bobcats where playing zone. Then Breen and Tripucka brought up the point that they don't think the Knicks have a set go to guy and what plays to run in crunch time. My point wasn't in vain since Trautwig actually commmented on this issue about D'Antoni lacking execution plays even with the Suns at the end of games (there goes that theory about me picking on D'Antoni) and praising Van Gundy about focusing on this issue while HC of the Knicks. Tina asked Harrington about what is drawn up at the end of games in her post game interview and he said coach gives them 5 plays but mentioned that they didn't execute them or coach didn't make it a point during the past games.

D'Antoni spoke about wanting Nate and Chandler to be go to guys (I can only assume if that is with Harrington on the bench). Point is that there doesn't seem to be an establish 2 minute gameplan. If seems to be more on the players shoulder to decide end of game execution and plays.

Hey, if that is how he is coaching that is fine but I have a hard time blaming players these situations if they fail and have equally a harder time giving the coach credit. I guess I am used to guys like Riley, Jackson, Van Gundy and even Brown who draw up plays and say hey you going to run this no matter what, make sure you execute it. Motion offense is great during games but I still think at the end of games you need a set half court game at the end.
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Cosmic
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12/30/2008  11:30 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Motion offense is great during games but I still think at the end of games you need a set half court game at the end.

We do not have the players to do that do we? It seems unlikely to me that we do... whether it's their skill level or basketball IQ... anytime they go half court it's a stand around mess with 1 guy holding the ball and then going 1-1 in the face of a collapsing defense throwing up a tough shot that rarely goes in.

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12/31/2008  1:50 AM
Its back to the future with this team.

S.s.d.y. = Same sh!t, different year. We barely beat a bad team, but such is life for another bad team. This was a game we were gonna win even if we didn't want to, so i was just business. The lottery count will have to wait at least another game.

Those of you who still get excited by a win like this one, I admire you. I've lost all the excitement on this team. The lack of effort after the Lakers game was telling. And its hard to root, even if you know they will lose, when there are only a few "keepers" in the team.

Oh well, same story...


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12/31/2008  2:02 PM
If we could trade for a winning vet like Stackhouse, Wallace, or Finley I think that would really help matters.

Then you'd have a brain on the floor that could shoot it and keep the team composed in winning time.
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12/31/2008  8:40 PM
Was at the game last night. Was sitting right behind the "no push" foul on Duhon late in the game...even I had to shake my head on that one.

Lee played great against Okafor. It was the first time seeing Okafor up close and he's not that big.

Morrison is a BUM.

Asked MDA during shoot around, while he was signing autographs, when we can expect Danilo Gallinari back and he said in a couple of weeks.
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1/1/2009  12:50 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by tkf:

much needed win. wilson played great late and saved us from a win...

This team just lacks some smart players.. Period..

Yeah, the total lack of intelligence on this team, especially the second half of the fourth quarter, is downright alarming.

Well, on the one side it's a good thing it's being exposed, because we know who the team won't try to keep when building a winner starting in 2010. To be honest, maybe... NO ONE lol.


I can see duhon, chandler, and gallo definately being here, unless we get a cheap upgrade for duhon. Lee and nate, who knows... they could be gone by the trade deadline... I hope not, but who knows...
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1/1/2009  10:32 PM
Duhon plays well enough for me to see him being here when we finally get bigtime talent and by then Chan and Gallo will hopefully have been fully developed and in place to help this team win. I would love to keep Lee and Nate, tho I don't know exactly how Walsh will be able to work that out.

P.S. MDA is the MAN! I'm tired of reading how he's somehow clueless as a coach. Let's get real here. This team has for most of the season played very hard and at times looked very solid. I think the true state of the team this year will show itself as we move along, get some players back healthy, the team settles in and perhaps once the Steph saga is settled. Hopefully we can get some help.
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1/2/2009  8:00 AM
Posted by Swishfm3:



Asked MDA during shoot around, while he was signing autographs, when we can expect Danilo Gallinari back and he said in a couple of weeks.

That's good to hear.

GAME THREAD: Knicks take a trip to the Circus to pay a visit to the Clown. (Larry, that is) -- 7PM

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