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misterearl
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12/26/2008  2:17 PM
JrHus - my point is that coveting a top five pick for the Knicks is a longshot, at best.

My point is if Donnie Walsh wants to negotiate with a lottery team like OKC, Minnesota or Washington - he would be better off going after an exprienced talent who has already shown signs of productivity (ie Wilcox) than a more costly (and risky) draft pick.

Additionally, with the slowing economy, top five picks will increase in value - and held tighter than a winning lottery ticket beacuse of their lower scale salary.

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misterearl
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12/26/2008  2:18 PM
rookie - hold up

Including The Mayors 2 point anomaly in one game vs the Celtics, out of a meager three game sample, is a low blow. His previous low was 7 (in 3 games - and one game with 8 points) while he has had double figures in 19 (including 15 consecutive) games.

For the record 23 points and 7 rebounds against the Celtics in a previous game runs counter to your theory of The Mayor not being able to deliver against elite teams.

C'mon, can't he have one bad night without throwing out his entire season of solid production?

[Edited by - misterearl on 12-26-2008 2:38 PM]
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12/27/2008  10:04 AM
(I refuse to wring my hands or gnash my teeth over ANY Knicks loss this season)

If Chandler's baseline drive and dunk makes ESPN Top Ten Plays, he can learn to manage as assistant guard in Summer League.

If that does not work - find a 6'7 clone of Golden State's Stephen Jackson and let The Mayor solidify the three spot.
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12/30/2008  11:50 AM
Dave D'Alessandro of The Star-Ledger: "Young players, more often than not, are dumb players. There are exceptions. But by and large, there is a distinct difference between having physical talent and knowing how to play. One NBA head coach likes to call it his 'NRA analogy.' It goes like this: 'I can have a big gun that makes a lot of noise, which will scare the crap out of everybody,' he told us the other day. 'But if you don't have a sight on it, it ain't gonna hit (anything).' That's basically what the Nets have in Sean Williams, which is why they're sending him across the country - to get a clearer vision on his target, whatever that may be. World-class hops don't make you a player. Power dunks don't make you a player. Working on your skills until every movement becomes automatic -- leaving your mind free for the nuances you have to master on every play -- that makes you a player. We hope the kid gets there. No one knows how this turns out, however. He might have played his last game here, if some other team is willing to take a chance on him. But judging by the number of inquiries the Nets have received, there are 29 other teams that think he's hopeless - big-time athlete, small-time head, goes the old refrain."

[Edited by - kam77 on 12-30-2008 11:51 AM]
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12/30/2008  12:31 PM
Chandler has the potential to be a low level star on the level of a Richard Jefferson or Caron Butler. He has alot of work to do to get to that level on a consistent basis, but the potential is there. If he can solidify himself as our starting SF, I would be happy with that.
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12/30/2008  12:49 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Chandler is a career role player. The only way this team will develop its own star through the draft is if they get a top 5 pick. Notice I didn't say top 6, because Gallo will not be a star.

I guess you and kevin Mchale are drinking buddies. It is that thinking that landed portland Brandon Roy with pick #6 and the wolves Randy foye with pick #7... what a trade LOL...

I guess the Bobcats and bulls who both had a top 5 pick are so happy they didn't have the #6 pick and Roy instead of Adam morrison and Tyrus thomas....

How in the world do you know what gallinari is going to be without him playing any real minutes in the NBA?
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12/30/2008  2:21 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Chandler is a career role player. The only way this team will develop its own star through the draft is if they get a top 5 pick. Notice I didn't say top 6, because Gallo will not be a star.

I guess you and kevin Mchale are drinking buddies. It is that thinking that landed portland Brandon Roy with pick #6 and the wolves Randy foye with pick #7... what a trade LOL...

I guess the Bobcats and bulls who both had a top 5 pick are so happy they didn't have the #6 pick and Roy instead of Adam morrison and Tyrus thomas....

How in the world do you know what gallinari is going to be without him playing any real minutes in the NBA?

I agree. You cannot base a players potential on their draft position. There are plenty of guys taken in the second round who turn out to be great players and a bunch of top-5 players who turn into bust after only 1 season. Draft position means nothing.
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12/30/2008  2:30 PM
JrZyHuStLa feels The Mayor is a (and I quote) "Career role player" based on less than 70 games (mostly as a non-starter) of NBA experience?

Career Role Player?

Some players never grow or improve. I tend to believe strongly that the small playing sample of The Mayor might indicate that in three years he would be missed more than Trevor Ariza, Renaldo Balkman, Ime Udoka and Matt Barnes combined.

Chandler is no more a career role player then David Lee is a career defensive sieve.
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12/30/2008  2:55 PM
Chandler, thus far, has indeed proven to be nothing more than a role player. He hasn't improved much at all once we saw what he could do with more minutes.

As of late I will say he has turned more and more into a Chucker, something I voiced concern in another thread early in the season, only to be trashed over that observation. Well, unfortunately, it seems my concern was correct, but hopefully a trend that can be broken and not a solid trait that we never noticed before.

Now other things are at play here. The team has given up playing hard. The trades. The minutes.

Chandler went from no minutes to starters minutes.
He went from playing well at the 4 to being pushed to the 3 when Harrington was brought on board.
He went from part of a team sharing the ball to a team that for whatever reason, seemingly spearheaded by Nate, is back to being frustrated and deciding to just go 1-1 nearly every time they get the ball, and once Nate did that, Harrington did that, and once Harrington did that, Chandler did that. It happened VERY quickly.

My point is there's a lot going on to explain why Chandler hasn't played well recently. Yet I think the observations that he's not what we want him to be are also on point: He's not the smartest, he's not the hardest working, he's going 1-1 too much, he's taking deep shots when he has opportunity to drive, and he might very well just be a bench player being asked to do too much.

How does that get fixed is the bigger question and one that is impossible to answer given the overall team's lack of chemistry the past handful of games.

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12/30/2008  3:07 PM
Chan is clearly entered the stage in his early NBA carrier when his game and character will be defined.
I will wait with any conclusions until at least the end of the season. Too many changes for second year player to see any consistent trend.
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12/30/2008  3:17 PM
Cosmic - what about the position change from a player who was described as a power forward to shooting guard?

"He's not the smartest, he's not the hardest working..."

How does anyone know how hard The Mayor is working at his craft?
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12/30/2008  3:35 PM
Oh, and he jumps center too...
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12/30/2008  3:40 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Cosmic - what about the position change from a player who was described as a power forward to shooting guard?

"He's not the smartest, he's not the hardest working..."

How does anyone know how hard The Mayor is working at his craft?

Have you been watching the games? He has played much lazier on both ends of the court. He has made several really stupid mistakes.

If that's not smart and not hard working then I don't know where you put the bar for those categories. Quite low I would have to guess.
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12/30/2008  3:43 PM
Here is what bothers me the most about the labels affixed to Chandler about his work ethic or intelligence

Please follow carefully

Many NBA coaches will cite good defense is a by-product of effort. Wilson Chandler has drawn some of the toughest defensive assignments, including guards like Kobe and forwards like Paul Pierce. That is an interesting range of skill-sets. He played defense with effort and made a solid contribution in a system without any legit big men to get his back.

The Mayor also leads in blocked shots. Another maneuver which demands effort.

Please answer this burning question:

Why is the defensive sieve (aka the "blue collar" hard worker) David Lee (the much more experienced veteran) never cited as lacking effort ( or intelligence) for his defensive liabilities?

[Edited by - misterearl on 12-30-2008 3:51 PM]
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12/30/2008  3:50 PM
"He has made several really stupid mistakes."

Cosmic - If Chandler is making such unconscionable "stupid mistakes" why doesn't D'Antoni bench him?
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12/30/2008  4:02 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by misterearl:

Cosmic - what about the position change from a player who was described as a power forward to shooting guard?

"He's not the smartest, he's not the hardest working..."

How does anyone know how hard The Mayor is working at his craft?

Have you been watching the games? He has played much lazier on both ends of the court. He has made several really stupid mistakes.

If that's not smart and not hard working then I don't know where you put the bar for those categories. Quite low I would have to guess.

Do not tuch Chan... You see; man is in love..
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12/30/2008  4:10 PM
"Do not tuch Chan... You see; man is in love.."

arkrud - good answer.

Naive as expected. Not that there is anything wrong with being naive.

I'm jus' sayin'.
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12/30/2008  4:53 PM
Chandler is overhyped like every other player drafted by the Knicks. Ariza is way better than Chandler dumb ass.
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12/30/2008  5:34 PM
Why is the defensive sieve (aka the "blue collar" hard worker) David Lee (the much more experienced veteran) never cited as lacking effort ( or intelligence) for his defensive liabilities?

You're kidding right? Everyone bemoans Lee's defense. I'll say it. Lee still makes rookie mistakes on the defensive end. Who knows, maybe he's not that intelligent. Maybe he just doesn't try hard enough on D. Who knows. I'd like to see the Knicks hire a real big man's coach. We can do better than Herb Williams.
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12/30/2008  5:45 PM
Dumb ass?

kam77 - "bemoaning" Lee's defense is a lot different than labelling him stupid or lazy. I understand that is a difficult concept to grasp, but the comparison (and deliberate labelling) is posed for educational purposes only.

Cookdcokehop - Chandler is not "overhyped", thank you. You could be paying too much attention to the press clippings that hail him as the next LeBron.

"Overhyped?"

Hardly.

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