This is one of the most amazing threads in history. Personally I have learned to accept TT for who he is. Misterearl is right, the way he plays is a product of his nature. He's not one of those guys who's going to slam in someone's face, flex his muscles, hustle back on D, send a shot into the stands and then punch some opponenet in the face just for thinking that they can beat him. He's not that type of guy so stop waiting for him to become that. He is what he is.

That being said, he still doesn't get the most out of his abilities. He is an amazing athlete that has every skill you can think of. He's a heady player who understands the game as well as anyone. He just doesn't give 100% all the time. I don't hate the guy for that. But I don't really like him. My preference is for guys that give all out effort every game. Not every other.

Marv - Either way, if he was good enough to be invited to the NBA green room (not up in the stands)on draft night - he was projected as good enough to make somebody's active roster.

The 6'10 Lampe was lazy, stupid and a complete waste of athletic ability.

What does Lampe have to do with anything. No one criticizes the guy because no one cares, he isn't on the team. The hope is that D'Antoni IN THE FUTURE can inspire TT to compete every night. So far I personally haven't seen it. I do think he's helped us so far. That doesn't mean that he's not still a guy with superstar potential that has done just enough to be a role player over the course of his career.Let's all pray that this changes now that he is back with the Knicks

TMS - Whether you feel Tim Thomas is worthy of disdain, resentment, anger, loathing or all of the above is your choice. I'm not trying to convince you of changing how you feel about anyone.

I repeat, do we want the best effort and production from Gallinari? Of course we do. What are the chances The (cough) Italian Stallion becomes an all star? No one knows. If he does not become an all-star it is purely a factor of him being lazy?

My only point is that Tim Thomas is who he thought he was.

If that is not good enough for you, please feel free to BOO him until your lungs drop on the floor.

I'll cheer for whoever contributes to this team, whether he is a fugazy or not. We need someone to contribute and Tiny Tim has been stepping up. Good for him. We forget that TT actually played decent when he was first dealt here for Van Horn. For those 30 or so games he played pretty good. The following year he was terrible though.

Camby and Nene for McDyess. Was that the best we could do?

Posted by misterearl:

TMS - Whether you feel Tim Thomas is worthy of disdain, resentment, anger, loathing or all of the above is your choice. I'm not trying to convince you of changing how you feel about anyone.

I repeat, do we want the best effort and production from Gallinari? Of course we do. What are the chances The (cough) Italian Stallion becomes an all star? No one knows. If he does not become an all-star it is purely a factor of him being lazy?

My only point is that Tim Thomas is who he thought he was.

If that is not good enough for you, please feel free to BOO him until your lungs drop on the floor.

We have no clue how Gallinari will be. If he's a hard worker, but just doesn't pan out, then that's all on the Knicks front office for picking the wrong guy. If he doesn't pan out b/c he's lazy, then you're damn right I'll ragging on about him. If he doesn't pan out b/c of injury, then that's nobody's fault and dangit, sheeot happens.

Cheers to hoping that Gallinari turns out to be great and a hardworker. That's not the point though.

The point is that Tim Thomas has no business being lazy on the basketball court.

Posted by kam77:

Zach for Tim Thomas. Was that the best we could do?

Crawford for Harrington = Major Knick Win.
Zach for Francis and Frye = Major Portland Win.
Zach for Tim Thomas = Major Knick Win.

If you can't see it I don't know what to tell you. There's a reason Zach has been traded for garbage more than once now. Tim Thomas, like him or hate him, he plays within the team concept much more often than Zach. Zach gone means Lee exploded for us. Crawford and Zach gone meant Duhon could run a team that would pass the ball amongst each other after he passed it to one of them.

There is NOTHING to question regarding these trades.

Zach and Crawford are two of the most overrated players in the NBA...and it's all because of 20ppg. How about shooting percentages? How about defense? How about team play? They are among the worst in NBA history in those three categories.

There's a reason the Knicks are fun to watch and a reason such a bad roster is actually playing quite well: Teamwork.

We not only won both trades from a personnel standpoint (yep, we won the Zachass trade, step into the light) we also won in the cap space war.

We opened the year 6-3 not because of the "greatness" of Zach and Crawford - but because we faced garbage teams with injury problems. We would be no better right now without those trades - provided Nate and Mobley could have played all this time - and even then at best we're 11-11 and not 10-12.

Let it go and look at the big picture: We traded two overrated ballhogging low efficiency and-1 non-team-oriented chuckers for not just cap space but players that love being here but expire earlier.

Walsh is a genius being able to pull those trades off. Make no mistake he did them just in time. 6-3 both players looking great - and he got rid of them. Today? They wouldn't be looking so great and we might not pull those deals off.

But, hey fellas, go ahead and crap all over Tim Thomas if it makes ya feel better. I prefer to save my venom for Curry, Jerome, Malik, Roberson, and VacationBury.

Posted by kam77:

This was a weird trade too.

i'd trade Tim for KVH right now if i could.