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12/4/2008  11:37 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

if Mobley doesn't play we get a medical exception we can use to pick up someone else.

Im pretty sure you can use an exemption for only 1 year so it means nada.

if we're granted the exception we have until next October to use it.
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12/5/2008  1:30 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/05/sports/basketball/05knicks.html?ref=basketball

Times has a whole article on Mobley. Apparently he had tests today and from what I read in Newsday he will meet with Knicks officials early next week to determine what he will do.

I wish Mobley the best. Apparently he may have the same heart condition that led to the deaths of Reggie Lewis, Hank Gathers, Kevin Duckworth, and Jason Collier. If this is the case, the man needs to retire. He needs his health and it's not worth playing sports over your physical condition. Good luck Cuttino.
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12/5/2008  2:23 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/05/sports/basketball/05knicks.html?ref=basketball

Times has a whole article on Mobley. Apparently he had tests today and from what I read in Newsday he will meet with Knicks officials early next week to determine what he will do.

I wish Mobley the best. Apparently he may have the same heart condition that led to the deaths of Reggie Lewis, Hank Gathers, Kevin Duckworth, and Jason Collier. If this is the case, the man needs to retire. He needs his health and it's not worth playing sports over your physical condition. Good luck Cuttino.

I hope they don't find anything wrong with him. But I agree that if there's even a chance of something happening he should just shut it down.
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12/5/2008  7:27 AM
Ah, so I was mistaken. That's too bad. Thanks for the clarification TMS.
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12/5/2008  12:29 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by GKFv2:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/05/sports/basketball/05knicks.html?ref=basketball

Times has a whole article on Mobley. Apparently he had tests today and from what I read in Newsday he will meet with Knicks officials early next week to determine what he will do.

I wish Mobley the best. Apparently he may have the same heart condition that led to the deaths of Reggie Lewis, Hank Gathers, Kevin Duckworth, and Jason Collier. If this is the case, the man needs to retire. He needs his health and it's not worth playing sports over your physical condition. Good luck Cuttino.

I hope they don't find anything wrong with him. But I agree that if there's even a chance of something happening he should just shut it down.

It seems like they already have. From what I've read it looks like his next reunion with the team will be to see whether he can apply for a medical retirement etc. Sad
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12/8/2008  1:55 AM
looks like it's pretty much a given Mobley will be retiring anyday now... even his buddy Stevie Franchise is thinking the same

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/francis-mobley-is-likely-to-retire-179994.html
Francis: Mobley is likely to retire
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" Steve Francis said he spoke to former Rockets back-court mate Cuttino Mobleyand confirmed The Post's report he seriously was mulling retirement with an answer coming very shortly.

Mobley was supposed to meet with president Donnie Walsh and Knicks doctors Friday to review all the heart-testing results and make a decision, but some of the results weren't to be available until Tuesday.

"It looks like he might (retire)," Francis told the Houston Chronicle. "It's close. That's the same ailment he has played his whole career, even here. It's terrible. He didn't sound too good today (Friday)."

Mobley, 33, failed his Knicks physical, but the Knicks approved the trade anyway because they obtained him more for his short-term contract that will clear cap space in 2010. Mobley went to see a handful of specialists. The Post and New York Times reported Mobley was tested by the renowned Dr. Barry Maron, the director of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy at the Minneapolis Heart Institute with whom Eddy Curry refused to take tests, prompting his trade from Chicago to the Knicks in 2005.

The Knicks diagnosed Mobley as having signs of the fatal heart disease that claimed the lives of Hank Gathers, Reggie Lewis and Jason Collier. "
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12/8/2008  1:56 AM
Again, this quotes the NY Post. They haven't received results yet. He will probably retire but you never know.
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12/8/2008  1:58 AM
it's quoting Steve Francis directly from an interview w/the Houston Chronicle... that's a lot more credible than just some NY post beat writer's own opinion.
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12/8/2008  2:03 AM
i dunno how the NBA would not grant the Knicks the $4.5 mil dollar medical exception of Mobley has to retire over this heart condition... we could use that exception in a trade or use it to sign a player outright... definitely opens up more possibilities than just that trade exception we got in the Balkman trade.
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12/8/2008  2:04 AM
If Walsh is seriously scouting players and several situations in the NBA it means one or many roster spots will open up soon. Considering the Marbury saga might still last for more time, I think Walsh is thinking the same that he will retire. We'll see probably this week.
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12/8/2008  2:08 AM
Posted by TMS:

i dunno how the NBA would not grant the Knicks the $4.5 mil dollar medical exception of Mobley has to retire over this heart condition... we could use that exception in a trade or use it to sign a player outright... definitely opens up more possibilities than just that trade exception we got in the Balkman trade.

The Knicks accepted Mobley knowing he had the condition. They are in no position to be asking for compensation due to the pre-existing medical condition Mobley had. And even so, it takes at least a year for that exception to be granted.
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12/8/2008  2:17 AM
it takes a year for a retirement exception to be granted... that's solely for salary cap purposes... that's not what i'm talking about here... i'm talking about a medical exception granted to teams when players they trade for can not play due to medical reasons... we would get an exception equal to half the player's salary this season which is good until next Oct. 1... the Miami Heat got that exception granted when Alonzo Mourning could not play the season due to his kidney ailment.
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12/11/2008  6:23 PM
Posted by oohah:

I have never ever liked Cuttino Mobley, and I never really wanted to see him a Knick.

However, I think the team, Walsh in specific is doing him dirty.

Walsh makes 2 huge trades in one day then reportedly acts like he didn't know that Mobley had a heart condition and tries to get more from the clippers. I think that is buyer's remorse.

Then it seems like he/the Knicks are doing all they can do to not let him suit up. Mobley already signed a waiver in Houston. He's been playing for 11 years. He is a man and it is his life.

I don't believe that this heart issue was news to Walsh when Mobley took his physical. I feel like they are toying with this man's career and life to save some money. In addition, he can actually help this team regardless of the fact that he is no great player. They are sabotaging his career. How can this be the right way to behave?

Is there something I am not getting here?

This leaves me with a very bad taste...

oohah

which is better, this or Frye is a borderline all-star?
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12/11/2008  6:25 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by oohah:

I have never ever liked Cuttino Mobley, and I never really wanted to see him a Knick.

However, I think the team, Walsh in specific is doing him dirty.

Walsh makes 2 huge trades in one day then reportedly acts like he didn't know that Mobley had a heart condition and tries to get more from the clippers. I think that is buyer's remorse.

Then it seems like he/the Knicks are doing all they can do to not let him suit up. Mobley already signed a waiver in Houston. He's been playing for 11 years. He is a man and it is his life.

I don't believe that this heart issue was news to Walsh when Mobley took his physical. I feel like they are toying with this man's career and life to save some money. In addition, he can actually help this team regardless of the fact that he is no great player. They are sabotaging his career. How can this be the right way to behave?

Is there something I am not getting here?

This leaves me with a very bad taste...

oohah

which is better, this or Frye is a borderline all-star?

LOL. It's tough but I'd go with this.
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12/11/2008  6:52 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TMS:

i dunno how the NBA would not grant the Knicks the $4.5 mil dollar medical exception of Mobley has to retire over this heart condition... we could use that exception in a trade or use it to sign a player outright... definitely opens up more possibilities than just that trade exception we got in the Balkman trade.

The Knicks accepted Mobley knowing he had the condition. They are in no position to be asking for compensation due to the pre-existing medical condition Mobley had. And even so, it takes at least a year for that exception to be granted.

As the report say, the Knicks knew he had a heart condition, but didn't know it had gotten worse to the point he can't play. Even Mobley didn't expect that. While the Clippers' test studied the heart situation, the Knicks were more rigorous in finding every detail on his health and found out the problems.

Since this is the way, the Knicks could get one of the two compensations available in this case. After the press conference, I have no doubt that there should be no problem getting one of those.
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12/11/2008  6:55 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by oohah:

I have never ever liked Cuttino Mobley, and I never really wanted to see him a Knick.

However, I think the team, Walsh in specific is doing him dirty.

Walsh makes 2 huge trades in one day then reportedly acts like he didn't know that Mobley had a heart condition and tries to get more from the clippers. I think that is buyer's remorse.

Then it seems like he/the Knicks are doing all they can do to not let him suit up. Mobley already signed a waiver in Houston. He's been playing for 11 years. He is a man and it is his life.

I don't believe that this heart issue was news to Walsh when Mobley took his physical. I feel like they are toying with this man's career and life to save some money. In addition, he can actually help this team regardless of the fact that he is no great player. They are sabotaging his career. How can this be the right way to behave?

Is there something I am not getting here?

This leaves me with a very bad taste...

oohah

which is better, this or Frye is a borderline all-star?

Oohah, seriously, this is getting ridiculous. I think you are the only person in the face of the world that has analyzed things like this. Not even Mobley, the Knicks, etc.
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12/11/2008  6:57 PM
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Posted by oohah:

I have never ever liked Cuttino Mobley, and I never really wanted to see him a Knick.

However, I think the team, Walsh in specific is doing him dirty.

Walsh makes 2 huge trades in one day then reportedly acts like he didn't know that Mobley had a heart condition and tries to get more from the clippers. I think that is buyer's remorse.

Then it seems like he/the Knicks are doing all they can do to not let him suit up. Mobley already signed a waiver in Houston. He's been playing for 11 years. He is a man and it is his life.

I don't believe that this heart issue was news to Walsh when Mobley took his physical. I feel like they are toying with this man's career and life to save some money. In addition, he can actually help this team regardless of the fact that he is no great player. They are sabotaging his career. How can this be the right way to behave?

Is there something I am not getting here?

This leaves me with a very bad taste...

oohah

which is better, this or Frye is a borderline all-star?

Oohah, seriously, this is getting ridiculous. I think you are the only person in the face of the world that has analyzed things like this. Not even Mobley, the Knicks, etc.

Ok, this was old. I hope you don't think like this anymore, Oohah.
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1/31/2009  1:12 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

The Knicks accepted Mobley knowing he had the condition. They are in no position to be asking for compensation due to the pre-existing medical condition Mobley had. And even so, it takes at least a year for that exception to be granted.

Exactly. They traded for him after they knew of his condition and then made every effort to prove he could not play in order to get the 4.5 million exception. The NBA knew this, everybody in the whole world knew this.

P.S. The Knicks did not "save Mobley's life".

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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1/31/2009  1:13 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by oohah:

I have never ever liked Cuttino Mobley, and I never really wanted to see him a Knick.

However, I think the team, Walsh in specific is doing him dirty.

Walsh makes 2 huge trades in one day then reportedly acts like he didn't know that Mobley had a heart condition and tries to get more from the clippers. I think that is buyer's remorse.

Then it seems like he/the Knicks are doing all they can do to not let him suit up. Mobley already signed a waiver in Houston. He's been playing for 11 years. He is a man and it is his life.

I don't believe that this heart issue was news to Walsh when Mobley took his physical. I feel like they are toying with this man's career and life to save some money. In addition, he can actually help this team regardless of the fact that he is no great player. They are sabotaging his career. How can this be the right way to behave?

Is there something I am not getting here?

This leaves me with a very bad taste...

oohah

which is better, this or Frye is a borderline all-star?

I'd have to say this is better since I was right on the money.

oohah


Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by oohah:

I have never ever liked Cuttino Mobley, and I never really wanted to see him a Knick.

However, I think the team, Walsh in specific is doing him dirty.

Walsh makes 2 huge trades in one day then reportedly acts like he didn't know that Mobley had a heart condition and tries to get more from the clippers. I think that is buyer's remorse.

Then it seems like he/the Knicks are doing all they can do to not let him suit up. Mobley already signed a waiver in Houston. He's been playing for 11 years. He is a man and it is his life.

I don't believe that this heart issue was news to Walsh when Mobley took his physical. I feel like they are toying with this man's career and life to save some money. In addition, he can actually help this team regardless of the fact that he is no great player. They are sabotaging his career. How can this be the right way to behave?

Is there something I am not getting here?

This leaves me with a very bad taste...

oohah

which is better, this or Frye is a borderline all-star?

Oohah, seriously, this is getting ridiculous. I think you are the only person in the face of the world that has analyzed things like this. Not even Mobley, the Knicks, etc.

Ok, this was old. I hope you don't think like this anymore, Oohah.

Apparently there is one more person on the face of the world who analyzes things so ridiculously. Unfortunately for the Knicks that person had the ability to deny the Knicks the money they were seeking by trading for a player they never had any intention of playing for the team, as they discovered MObley's heart condition before they pulled the trigger on the trade, then they immediately launched into making certain he would be declared medically ineligible.

Take off your rose-colored glasses and join me in the real world fellas.

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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