Posted by Uptown:

You beat me to this. I agree with most of Isles grade with the exception of Gallo who hasn't played so that should be incomplete. Too eraly to say this guy is a bust. I also disagree about Curry. Currys value was destroyed last year when Isiah, who did a good job of building Curry's value up 2 years ago, completely destroyed it with the aquisition of Zach.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

Getting rid of Zach - A+ Great job getting rid of albatross

Trading Crawford for Harrington - A Great job getting value for a chucker

Trading Balkman for nothing - C Didn't necessarily have a role but had some value

Drafting Gallinari - F- You just can't blow lottery picks when you're rebuilding

Hiring D'Antoni - B- He'll get you to respectable but a lack of focus on team defense will always come back to hurt the team

Not coming into the season with a plan for Marbury - F It was no secret that Marbury had to go

Destroying Curry's value - D The only hope is that he wants out so badly now that he opts out

Curry has destroyed his own value, what more could the GM do? Dude has been hurt.

We got a second rounder out of the Balk deal but we probably should have kept on of the other guys.

Was the Oden pick a F last year too?

Curry was a DNP-CD before he got hurt.

With Balkman being of the few guys that tried on defense, it would have been interesting to see him play in D'Antoni's system. I think he would have been a decent fit. That of course could have raised his value. Dumping players because they didn't get rid of James or have the foresight to get rid of Marbury earlier cost them roster spots. That falls on Walsh.

There's every reason to believe that Oden's leg will heal. Bad backs can linger for a player's entire career. Plus the Trailblazers were in a much different situation with a good young nucleus already in place. As for the Knicks, last year's lottery pick and this years pick should be cornerstones for a rebuilding franchise. To miss badly on either sets the franchise back tremendously.

Posted by misterearl:

Posted by Rookie:

After last nights game, I need to remember that I have a sense of humor. Does anybody else think the team quit on their coach last night?

Quit?

Rookie - please, enough with the cliche's.

What evidence are you presenting to make such an assessment?

It's my opinion that they quit. I believe in cause and effect. Last night was no aberation. The moves management has made so far put them in a position where one injury (nate) would cause them to have to play short handed. They didn't believe that they could play shorthanded with no rest against a very good team so since management has not put them in a position to compete and win, there's no reason to try. I will be looking forward to see how they respond on Friday. The road and back to backs, injuries and drama drama will rear it's ugly head if they don't get some healthy bodies soon.

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

Getting rid of Zach - A+ Great job getting rid of albatross

Trading Crawford for Harrington - A Great job getting value for a chucker

Trading Balkman for nothing - C Didn't necessarily have a role but had some value

Drafting Gallinari - F- You just can't blow lottery picks when you're rebuilding

Hiring D'Antoni - B- He'll get you to respectable but a lack of focus on team defense will always come back to hurt the team

Not coming into the season with a plan for Marbury - F It was no secret that Marbury had to go

Destroying Curry's value - D The only hope is that he wants out so badly now that he opts out

Curry has destroyed his own value, what more could the GM do? Dude has been hurt.

We got a second rounder out of the Balk deal but we probably should have kept on of the other guys.

Was the Oden pick a F last year too?

Curry was a DNP-CD before he got hurt.

With Balkman being of the few guys that tried on defense, it would have been interesting to see him play in D'Antoni's system. I think he would have been a decent fit. That of course could have raised his value. Dumping players because they didn't get rid of James or have the foresight to get rid of Marbury earlier cost them roster spots. That falls on Walsh.

There's every reason to believe that Oden's leg will heal. Bad backs can linger for a player's entire career. Plus the Trailblazers were in a much different situation with a good young nucleus already in place. As for the Knicks, last year's lottery pick and this years pick should be cornerstones for a rebuilding franchise. To miss badly on either sets the franchise back tremendously.

You are defending Curry? The same dude who has been out of shape his whole career and who missed training camp as well? Did you forget that? That's why he was DNP.

Balk was removed cause of the new culture. Practice, effort, all of those things count. And you would take away minutes from Chandler to play Balk?

Can't conclude much about Gallo until we see him play.

Posted by islesfan:

I'm not defending Curry for who he is. I'm just saying that he has more trade value when he's playing and putting up 15&7 than when he's getting DNP-CDed. I'm sure you can agree with that.

D'Antoni is notorious for having short practices and Balkman exhibited effort on defense which of course doesn't count with D'Antoni. Like I said earlier, there was no role for him going into the season but minutes always open up as they're available now. If Balkman is going to succeed in any system it would have been D'Antoni's with the up and down style. It would have been interesting to see.

If Gallo rarely plays because of his back, does that mean we can't conclude anything?

Posted by islesfan:



I'm not defending Curry for who he is. I'm just saying that he has more trade value when he's playing and putting up 15&7 than when he's getting DNP-CDed. I'm sure you can agree with that.

D'Antoni is notorious for having short practices and Balkman exhibited effort on defense which of course doesn't count with D'Antoni. Like I said earlier, there was no role for him going into the season but minutes always open up as they're available now. If Balkman is going to succeed in any system it would have been D'Antoni's with the up and down style. It would have been interesting to see.

If Gallo rarely plays because of his back, does that mean we can't conclude anything?

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

I'm not defending Curry for who he is. I'm just saying that he has more trade value when he's playing and putting up 15&7 than when he's getting DNP-CDed. I'm sure you can agree with that.

D'Antoni is notorious for having short practices and Balkman exhibited effort on defense which of course doesn't count with D'Antoni. Like I said earlier, there was no role for him going into the season but minutes always open up as they're available now. If Balkman is going to succeed in any system it would have been D'Antoni's with the up and down style. It would have been interesting to see.

If Gallo rarely plays because of his back, does that mean we can't conclude anything?

What you orginally said about Curry was that the GM was destroying his value. If Curry were in shape and played within the MDA system and averaged 15&7 and the coach chose to DNP his fat ass, then I would agree that the GM and coach were destroying his value, but that is far from what is happening. Do you agree with that?

Dude, feel free to watch a few Knicks games, catch the Portland game. If you don't think the coach is not stressing defense you are not watching.

Can't conclude anything about Gallo right now. If we find out that his career is done after the year or whatever, then we conclude.

Posted by Rookie:

Posted by TMS:

last night they showed clips of D'Antoni coaching the game & all he was doing was telling guys to D up & rotate on guys... i think his reputation for never stressing defense is severely overblown.

On a night where they had no energy, whats the point of asking them to play harder on D which forces them to expend more energy than they have? Was it so the blow out wouldn't look as bad on paper?

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Posted by Markji:

Roberson - I think he is great as a 15th man, not even an 11th or 12th man, but 15th man. Someone to attend practice. Salary minimum. 24 yrs old. And we need a guard to fill in. What's the problem?

Roberson is having a better year than Balkman (our wonderful 1st round, 20th pick in the 2006 draft)that people are complaining that Walsh traded.

Balkman 15 game 13 min 4.4 ppm
Roberson 14 games 14mpg 6.4 ppm

And Roberson in his last 2 games has had 5 steals.
In his last 5 games where he has been getting playing time 18 min to 28 min/game, playing Cleveland twice, Detroit,Portland - all top teams, and Golden State - a bad team;

he has scored: 19, 6,8 , 8, 10 ppm - had 6 steals and is hitting almost 40% from the 3 pt. He isn't Steve Nash....or Duhon, but he is doing just fine for what he is.

Roberson is probably playing better than any 15th man on any NBA Team's roster!


[Edited by - markji on 12-04-2008 11:31 AM]

You can't just base it on PPG. They play vastly different games. Roberson is in there to shoot and Balkman is in there to do everything else but shoot.

Plus the comparison shouldn't be with Roberson, it should be with Big Snacks or Starbury.