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11/22/2008  2:20 PM
Posted by oohah:
Oohah, there's a reason these things happen to Marbury and not Lee.

And don't tell me you're not singing "poor Steph" and then tell me that he's being mistreated.

Steph had a clean slate but needed to prove himself to be above his reputation but instead refused to come off the bench beginning another cycle of alienation by putting himself above his teammates and coach once again. You and he seem to think the man is deserving of star treatment but he's not. He's an unwanted island unto himself who refuses to evolve into a teammate.

Poor Steph, my ass.

No, you are characterizing my statements as "poor Steph" to juxtapose them against your "Whatever happens to Marbury is okay" stance. If you just accept the fact that I am looking at him like any other player it invalidates your argument. It isn't about Marbury per se. There are standards of treatments for all players that do not change from player to player, especially when the coach states clearly that everyone has a clean slate.

Marbury did not refuse to come off the bench. Check your facts.

"Star treatment": Nobody is talking about star treatment except for you. I am talking about a minimum standard of treatment for any player, period. You can try and re-characterize my statements all you like, but if you deal with what I am actually saying I don't think you can really argue the point. Try arguing with what I am actually saying instead of the points your are substituting for my actual statements, okay?

There is nothing bad that can be done to Marbury that you wouldn't agree with. That is the fact. can you at least admit that? That is why you refuse to address that if it was David lee you would have a different opinion. My opinion remains the same whether it is Marbury, Eddy Curry, or David Lee. I am not singing ""Poor Steph", you are singing "Hooray! Marbury is getting his!". It's okay, you can admit you have no objectivity when it comes to Marbury! It is not news.

oohah


This is all nonsense speak. What is this "mistreatment" you speak of - being asked to play 20 mins during preseason and then be dressed to play in reg season and not be called upon? Do you understand how many players in the NBA are being similarly "mistreated"? If so, then please don't tell me you simply want equal treatment for Marbury.

And don't tell me I'm wrong about him stating he wont come off the bench just because it passed you by. I don't need to make stuff up to paint Marbury in a negative light, he does more than enough damage on his own:

Starbury: 'I'm Not Coming Off the Bench'

Matt WatsonPosted Sep 26th 2008 2:22PM by Matt Watson (author feed)
Filed under: Knicks, Eastern, NBA Rumors
Stephon Marbury

If the Knicks already know they don't want him, Stephon Marbury wants to be released -- just so long as they know he's not going up a dime of his $21.9 million. But if the Knicks decide to keep them, Marbury is ready to play -- just so long as they know he's not giving up his starting job, either. From Marc Berman of the New York Post:

"We need to concentrate on how we're going to win, not whether I'm getting waived or if I'm getting all my money," Marbury said. [...] "If D'Antoni feels he needs to go in another direction with a starting point guard (Chris Duhon), that's fine. I know I'm going to play someplace else.

[...] Would he be willing to be a backup? "I'm not coming off the bench here in New York," Marbury said.

So let me get this straight: Marbury doesn't want to be a distraction but won't come off the bench. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways: if you don't want to distract, don't speak in absolutes about your role.

All this "mistreatment" business is cover for the fact that Marbury once again put himself above the team and he's finally being held accountable for it.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-22-2008 2:23 PM]
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11/22/2008  2:34 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Blueseats - To be fair the Knicks could also just waive Marbury as well so its a 2-way street on the fact that Marbury won't accept a buyout.

NY, I addressed that on page 2 but it's worth reiterating here.

One could argue that the Knicks could just as easily remedy the situation by paying his full salary - but they are at a disadvantage in doing so because they'd lose the ability to play him if they need him, or trade him if it would benefit them. So giving up those rights, and instead paying him to play for another team, should come at a discount.

If Marbury compromises he loses nothing monetarily plus he gets to play - a net plus for him. If the Knicks compromise they pay full price and lose the rights to his contract - a net minus for them.

Additionally, if Marbury compromises everybody gains: the Knicks get a monetary discount commensurate with losing his rights; and he gets all his money (between two teams) and gets to play - a win/win for everybody, but still he refuses!

Which shows he's less interested in money and playing than he is in putting himself above the franchise.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-22-2008 2:36 PM]
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11/22/2008  2:52 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Blueseats - To be fair the Knicks could also just waive Marbury as well so its a 2-way street on the fact that Marbury won't accept a buyout.

NY, I addressed that on page 2 but it's worth reiterating here.

One could argue that the Knicks could just as easily remedy the situation by paying his full salary - but they are at a disadvantage in doing so because they'd lose the ability to play him if they need him, or trade him if it would benefit them. So giving up those rights, and instead paying him to play for another team, should come at a discount.

If Marbury compromises he loses nothing monetarily plus he gets to play - a net plus for him. If the Knicks compromise they pay full price and lose the rights to his contract - a net minus for them.

Additionally, if Marbury compromises everybody gains: the Knicks get a monetary discount commensurate with losing his rights; and he gets all his money (between two teams) and gets to play - a win/win for everybody, but still he refuses!

Which shows he's less interested in money and playing than he is in putting himself above the franchise.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-22-2008 2:36 PM]

You nailed it here. Couldn't agree with you more. Marbury seems more preoccupied with trying to stick it to the franchise/coach/GM that he feels wronged him as opposed to getting back on the hardwood.
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11/22/2008  3:03 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Blueseats - To be fair the Knicks could also just waive Marbury as well so its a 2-way street on the fact that Marbury won't accept a buyout.

NY, I addressed that on page 2 but it's worth reiterating here.

One could argue that the Knicks could just as easily remedy the situation by paying his full salary - but they are at a disadvantage in doing so because they'd lose the ability to play him if they need him, or trade him if it would benefit them. So giving up those rights, and instead paying him to play for another team, should come at a discount.

If Marbury compromises he loses nothing monetarily plus he gets to play - a net plus for him. If the Knicks compromise they pay full price and lose the rights to his contract - a net minus for them.

Additionally, if Marbury compromises everybody gains: the Knicks get a monetary discount commensurate with losing his rights; and he gets all his money (between two teams) and gets to play - a win/win for everybody, but still he refuses!

Which shows he's less interested in money and playing than he is in putting himself above the franchise.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-22-2008 2:36 PM]

True, hopefully they just send him home and away from the team if he won't accept a buyout.

The really crime being done is the treatment of Jerome James.
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11/22/2008  3:12 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Refusal or no refusal, its such a breath of fresh air seeing this loser rot on the bench with that corny looking facial expression of his.

but he's so professional & likable... how can u not respect the guy?

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11/22/2008  3:20 PM
LOL.

Marbury is a disgrace to a simple shirt and tie.
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11/22/2008  3:46 PM
Marbury just proved why he's in the situation he's in. He's not a team player. The fact is that via his contract, he doesn't get the option of choosing whether or not he wants to play. I hope the Knicks void his contract now.

The reason why Marbury isn't playing is because his sorry ass attitude is a distraction. Hopefully now we won't hear any more comments from his family members about Steph being a professional. Ridiculous.
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11/22/2008  3:58 PM

Reading the article..It seems like the minutes MDA offered him was an option...And MDA seems to confirm that as well...Really, I'm not sure why MDA and Walsh entered this season creating the same scenario for a soap opera and is now running with it...Was it not MDA who went to the press with this...What a joke...
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11/22/2008  4:24 PM
I'll illustrate it in an example that you certainly won't agree with:

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EXAMPLE 1:

You have a kid in a class, let's call him "Stephen Moonbury". Stephen is a trouble maker in class and has wrecked several semesters with his poor behavior.

A new principal named Principal Walsh is hired by the school, and a new teacher named Prof. Mike is hired as well.

Professor Mike states in no uncertain terms that there is a new sheriff in town, and that the class will be run his way. he doesn't care what happened in the past, but he expects every student to show up prepared and ready to participate.

All the student show up prepared, including Stephen Moonbury. But on the first day of class, Stephen Moonbury is told that he is not part of the clas anymore and he will be transferred to another school.

(You see blueseats this is wrong by Prof. Mike. Regardless of the wrong Moonbury did before, 2 wrongs don't make a right, I think that is what you fail to understand.)

Then, one day Prof. Mike decides the class is going to take a trip to the local museum, but to get the school discount he discovers that he needs one more student. Prof. Mike says to Stephen Moonbury: "Well you can be part of the class for this field trip'. Stephen Moonbury says "No, you said I wasn't part of the class, so we're going to stick with that, I'm not going to join the class for one day just so you can have a field trip."

And that is the situation we currently have.

oohah

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11/22/2008  4:26 PM
EXAMPLE 2:

There is a neighborhood bully named Stephen Moonbury. A new bigger bully moves into the neighborhood and punches moonbury in the face.

All the other kids are happy that Stephen Moonbury got beat up for once.

But that doesn't mean it was right for the new, bigger bully to punch Stephen Moonbury in the face.

You know why? Because 2 wrongs don't make a right. I hope you understand that Blue.

oohah

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11/22/2008  4:32 PM
Blue, the nonsense is that you won't admit that you are just reveling in D'Antoni's jerking around Marbury.

4949 is being honest about it: He states that D'Antoni made it all seem copacetic with Marbury, then he turned around and Bam! stabbed him in the back! Everybody else above who agrees says that Marbury is an ass and simply deserves what ever treatment he gets.

YOU, on the other hand, are trying to make a technical argument, that this is the correct way to do things. And you are just wrong about that.

Basically, you are dancing a jig because Marbury is finally getting the comeuppance you have been waiting for, a topic I personally think you are far to personally caught up in.

Another thing you are wrong about is that you didn't think it was going to be a distraction. I trie dot explain to you that is was and will be. now it is allover the papers again because D'Antoni offered Marbury minutes when he shouldn't have, in direct opposition to the "Playing marbury for 5 minutes is an insult to a player of his caliber" mantra he has been repeating. In case you don't get the analogy, playing Marbury for 2 games just because he is waiting for Cuttino Mobley is very similar to playing Marbury for 5 minutes, on a season level.

Okay, you may now continue your celebration of 2 wrongs making a right!

oohah

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11/22/2008  4:34 PM
I think we should retire Marbery's number after he's gone.....it's forever cursed.
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11/22/2008  4:47 PM
Marbury has pride. I wouldnt of played either.
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11/22/2008  4:47 PM
Posted by oohah:

EXAMPLE 2:

There is a neighborhood bully named Stephen Moonbury. A new bigger bully moves into the neighborhood and punches moonbury in the face.

All the other kids are happy that Stephen Moonbury got beat up for once.

But that doesn't mean it was right for the new, bigger bully to punch Stephen Moonbury in the face.

You know why? Because 2 wrongs don't make a right. I hope you understand that Blue.

oohah



The same thing is happenning to Antoine walker, why no outrage there? The same thing happened to Tim Thomas when traded to the bulls. Were you upset when isiah sent Penny home for no reason?

You want equal treatment for marbury. Fine. he is getting what other teams have done to players who are not in their plans. So my question that remains unanswered is.. Do you feel the grizzlies are mistreating Antoine walker?

[Edited by - tkf on 22-11-2008 4:48 PM]
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Posted by tkf:
Posted by oohah:

EXAMPLE 2:

There is a neighborhood bully named Stephen Moonbury. A new bigger bully moves into the neighborhood and punches moonbury in the face.

All the other kids are happy that Stephen Moonbury got beat up for once.

But that doesn't mean it was right for the new, bigger bully to punch Stephen Moonbury in the face.

You know why? Because 2 wrongs don't make a right. I hope you understand that Blue.

oohah



The same thing is happenning to Antoine walker, why no outrage there? The same thing happened to Tim Thomas when traded to the bulls. Were you upset when isiah sent Penny home for no reason?

You want equal treatment for marbury. Fine. he is getting what other teams have done to players who are not in their plans. So my question that remains unanswered is.. Do you feel the grizzlies are mistreating Antoine walker?

[Edited by - tkf on 22-11-2008 4:48 PM]

If Marbury wins a championship, he has a chance to go to the Hall of Fame. Antoine Walker and Tim Thomas cannot.
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11/22/2008  5:36 PM
Was Curry offered any minutes?


What about James? or is his personal matter really a personal matter?


In regards to Antoine Walker here's what he's had to say about his contract situation.

"I would have liked the opportunity to play but I understand the state that they're in. They want to play the young guys," Walker said. "I still feel like I've got a lot of basketball left in me and I can contribute to a team in the NBA. It's unfortunate that it's not working out here. But you have to respect the decision. This team has some good young talent."

The Griz have no plans to waive Walker, whose $9.32 million salary comes off their books following this season. There have been no buyout discussions, either.

"I'm not interested in giving any money back," Walker said. "If there's a good fit out there that I can find, I guess I would consider that. But it doesn't make sense to give money back."


All of us expecting Marbury should come down off his buyout figure, well there are others who'd rather not also.





[Edited by - GallOfFame on 11-22-2008 5:36 PM]
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11/22/2008  5:46 PM
That would work if Steph was playing for free and not being paid by the Knicks. If you are employed, you generally are paid to do as your employer asks, not whatever you want or what suits your pride. Subtle difference but a valid one nonetheless.
Posted by oohah:

I'll illustrate it in an example that you certainly won't agree with:

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EXAMPLE 1:

You have a kid in a class, let's call him "Stephen Moonbury". Stephen is a trouble maker in class and has wrecked several semesters with his poor behavior.

A new principal named Principal Walsh is hired by the school, and a new teacher named Prof. Mike is hired as well.

Professor Mike states in no uncertain terms that there is a new sheriff in town, and that the class will be run his way. he doesn't care what happened in the past, but he expects every student to show up prepared and ready to participate.

All the student show up prepared, including Stephen Moonbury. But on the first day of class, Stephen Moonbury is told that he is not part of the clas anymore and he will be transferred to another school.

(You see blueseats this is wrong by Prof. Mike. Regardless of the wrong Moonbury did before, 2 wrongs don't make a right, I think that is what you fail to understand.)

Then, one day Prof. Mike decides the class is going to take a trip to the local museum, but to get the school discount he discovers that he needs one more student. Prof. Mike says to Stephen Moonbury: "Well you can be part of the class for this field trip'. Stephen Moonbury says "No, you said I wasn't part of the class, so we're going to stick with that, I'm not going to join the class for one day just so you can have a field trip."

And that is the situation we currently have.

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11/22/2008  5:55 PM
I will say this.

Maybe D'Antoni was thinking of reinserting Stephon Marbury into the system, and if that's the case, then our friend blew an enormous opportunity. This is business and sometimes the winds change direction. Perhaps Marbury could have even won himself the starting 2guard spot, in D'Antoni's eyes, so who's to say that he was only talking about LAST NIGHT when he said there's 35 minutes for you to take.

This was an enormously stupid move by Marbury. He could have done ALL of the following with one stone:

-Raise his value for his next contract.
-Redeem himself to his teammates.
-Redeem himself to the fans and NY.
-Earned himself a position in the rotation, and if not that, raise his value so he could be traded to a team with a position for him.
-Warm himself up to Donnie Walsh and Dolan, and have them change their minds about buying out his FULL contract so he can move on.
-Get a chance to actually PLAY and enjoy himself instead of being Scowlbury.

Marbury lost the opportunity. He just made himself look bad to the entire NBA and now his chances to get a new contract are MUCH slimmer.

And now Stephon Marbury is the one that looks like a soar loser. Not just a loser, but a sore loser. D'Antoni found that maybe he'll have the ability to play Marbury for the rest of the season and again, Marbury washed it away. This isn't f'ing around with Marbury. This is Marbury f'ing around with himself and the team and the city.

It's ashame that he's turned out like this. Could have been one of the top 5 players in the NBA for a long time, and he STILL has the talent. What a waste.

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11/22/2008  5:58 PM

Oohah, these examples are so lame, but I'll humor you.
Posted by oohah:

I'll illustrate it in an example that you certainly won't agree with:

***

EXAMPLE 1:

You have a kid in a class, let's call him "Stephen Moonbury". Stephen is a trouble maker in class and has wrecked several semesters with his poor behavior.

A new principal named Principal Walsh is hired by the school, and a new teacher named Prof. Mike is hired as well.

Professor Mike states in no uncertain terms that there is a new sheriff in town, and that the class will be run his way. he doesn't care what happened in the past, but he expects every student to show up prepared and ready to participate.

All the student show up prepared, including Stephen Moonbury. But on the first day of class, Stephen Moonbury is told that he is not part of the clas anymore and he will be transferred to another school.

(You see blueseats this is wrong by Prof. Mike. Regardless of the wrong Moonbury did before, 2 wrongs don't make a right, I think that is what you fail to understand.)

You've sidestepped the part where Moonshinebury comes into camp "prepared" (like being in shape is a concession) but on the first day lets it be known on the first day lets it be known that if he's not named class president there will be hell to pay. This is what I think you fail to understand.


Then, one day Prof. Mike decides the class is going to take a trip to the local museum, but to get the school discount he discovers that he needs one more student. Prof. Mike says to Stephen Moonbury: "Well you can be part of the class for this field trip'. Stephen Moonbury says "No, you said I wasn't part of the class, so we're going to stick with that, I'm not going to join the class for one day just so you can have a field trip."

And that is the situation we currently have.

oohah

No, the situation is that Moonshinebury was given one last chance to make a good impression (in training camp) and he blew it with his class president demands. Meanwhile, the principal can't presently find another school willing to take Mooniebury and thought while the school was shorthanded it might be a win/win opportunity for both if Shinehead could put in a good showing for himself. Sure, he'd never be class president again (of any class), and he blew his chance at a clean slate at this school with this principal, but he could at least try to demonstrate himself to other schools to have a chance to finish his education...somewhere.

But Moonshineheadbury was too proud to just be a good student in summer school, and then too proud to showcase himself last night. A good education is simply of lesser importance to him than paying the martyr and cutting off his own nose to spite the organization.
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Posted by Rookie:

I think we should retire Marbery's number after he's gone.....it's forever cursed.

Retire it? Ban it instead!
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