take away crawford's shot and play tight on him.
he's too scared of getting in the lane.
he doesn't want scuff his kicks.

Kelly keeps talking about the first quarter. The only ones that were hitting their shots and had any flow to the game were Chandler and Richardson. Then Lee and Collins came in to help out. Nobody else.

Crawford might have the worst defense in the NBA.

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Finestrg:

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Posted by Finestrg:

WTF Craw? He can't even break down 40 yr old Allen off the dribble. He looks lost tonight...

He trys too much 1-on-1 razzle dazzle with the ball that's just unnecessary (always has). Just put it on the floor and get to the rim/get to the FT line. Enough of the nonsense. Start playing like you got some balls. They crowd this cat and take away his jumper and he just folds....

[Edited by - finestrg on 11-18-2008 8:35 PM]

Randolph has taken 10 shots and connected on 3 and nobody talks about this. Randolph and Crawford are essentially the same player except Randolph is taller and can rebound the ball.

Randolph's putting up 21 & 13 so far. He played great. Having on off night like you've pointed out so far but he's out there doing his thing - getting his shots in rhythm and playing hard underneath. Craw (and he's had a good yr. too so I don't want to go too crazy) is the one that can be doing so much more to help this club and just doesn't. That's the difference between the two.

He is shooting 43% on the season. For a big man that's pretty bad. He has to take 20+ shots to score 20 points. He is a good/great rebounder but besides that he is inefficient. His impact on the game is minimal, especially since he is out on the preimeter half the game.

Sorry I just don't agree. Zach's had a tremendous impact in almost every game this season so far. He's put up 8 straight double-doubles. Gotta go back to Pat Ewing Sr. for the last guy who's done that. Didn't play great in the blowout at Philly and came up a little small against Duncan at the Spurs but otherwise he's been great. All-star type impact. You can't possibly expect anything more than what this guy's giving you...

Crawford, who's off to the hot start shooting the ball this year, is the one who I expect much more from. He continuely forces jumpers (and he's made quite a few so far) when he can get better shots. Remember the San Antonio game? He was the only one who put up some consistent points in that game but that game was all fool's gold if you ask me - Kept forcing shots against Bowen who was right up on him and even though he made most of them that night, let's be honest, those aren't good shots. No that those shots aren't falling and guys are making the effort to completely take that away from you, what are you gonna do? That's what bothers me the most about him. You crowd Kobe and he's going right around you, right to the rim for a score. It's not like Craw can't do it (you mean to tell me he can't get past Ray Allen? Come on) - he just won't do it. Even Zach mixes it up - he'll take his fair share of jumpers but then he'll eventually get his ass down low and give you the points in the paint that they expect.

Bottom line is that Randolph's giving me all that I expect, probably a little more. Crawford, on the other hand, can be so much more than what he is. I expect so much more out of this guy and year after year, he continues to come up short. It's dissapointing - I'm surprised some of you don't see it the same way...

[Edited by - finestrg on 11-18-2008 9:01 PM]

people complain about Craw all the time. he's a good player, but he's not the kind of player who is going to lead you into boston and take the game by the horns. he's a shrinking violet if his jumper isn't falling.

Posted by GKFv2:

Crawford might have the worst defense in the NBA.

seriously, look at him play defense.
he doesn't get low at all,
the swiss cheese d
matador d.

walt clyde frazier anyone?

Posted by GKFv2:

Finestrg, Randolph is all stats. Again, he can rebound. But he is not efficient from the field. Crawford is also not efficient from the field but he can't rebound. They both can't play defense. The difference is that Randolph can play in the post and grab boards and Crawford can't do either of those. Therefore Crawford is more worthless.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 11-18-2008 9:02 PM]

craw gets assists, he can move the ball. they both have pluses but just as many minuses. neither one of them can be expected to lead a team to the playoffs though and when they are your best two players you are in trouble. i think they'd be fine second or third options next to a real superstar, but when the defense focuses on them they can be stopped.

Posted by crzymdups:

people complain about Craw all the time. he's a good player, but he's not the kind of player who is going to lead you into boston and take the game by the horns. he's a shrinking violet if his jumper isn't falling.

All you need to know about what's going on was that possession when Chandler passes to Crawford who passes back to Chandler, Chandler passes to Duhon and Duhon passes back to Chandler. Chandler forced to shoot with a man in his face. Feel bad for you Chandler.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 11-18-2008 9:05 PM]

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Posted by GKFv2:

Finestrg, Randolph is all stats. Again, he can rebound. But he is not efficient from the field. Crawford is also not efficient from the field but he can't rebound. They both can't play defense. The difference is that Randolph can play in the post and grab boards and Crawford can't do either of those. Therefore Crawford is more worthless.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 11-18-2008 9:02 PM]

craw gets assists, he can move the ball. they both have pluses but just as many minuses. neither one of them can be expected to lead a team to the playoffs though and when they are your best two players you are in trouble. i think they'd be fine second or third options next to a real superstar, but when the defense focuses on them they can be stopped.

I agree with you but in Randolph's case, he makes superstar money and therefore we cannot afford to keep him around as a 2nd or 3rd fiddle.

lee, nate and craw have given us virtually nothing tonight.

i really hope lee is not making his injury worse by playing on it, like he did the season before last.

love the cheerleaders!