Posted by BRIGGS:

Why don't we add Stephon Curry as the next PG and let all the other teams have the high flyers and the Ricky Rubio's and we can take the brains skills and bloodline.

Posted by misterearl:

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"With someone like Zach, you know he'll get some boards and maybe get to 20, but you can only hope." - 4949

Ranks #20 in the NBA in Points Per Game(20.8)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(12.9)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds(39.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(3.9)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(90.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(9.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(129.0)

No, Zach is NOT Lebron, and he is definately NOT pretty in making it do what it do, but make no mistake about it - the young man IS having an all-star season so far.

Cut and paste these numbers on David Lee and there would be an instant thread on why he is a candidate for The NBA Hall of Fame.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Why don't we add Stephon Curry as the next PG and let all the other teams have the high flyers and the Ricky Rubio's and we can take the brains skills and bloodline.

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Why don't we add Stephon Curry as the next PG and let all the other teams have the high flyers and the Ricky Rubio's and we can take the brains skills and bloodline.

If I'm gonna take an undersized shooter/scorer as a guard (listed at 6'3" but might be more like 6'1") that really doesn't have the good PG skills to run a club he better at least be a complete offensive player. This kid's a terrific little jumpshooter but in terms of being that complete scoring guard, I'm not sure he can really take his guy off the dribble consistently. What really seperates this kid from similar players right now? Does he have the height like his father did? Does he have the overall strength like an Eric Gordon has? Tell you what, he's probably not as good or as complete a player as Jerryd Bayless for example - I think Bayless has a much better NBA future IMHO. This kid's good and he & his team had a nice run in the Tourney, but I'm not so sure he'll ever be more than just a good complementary piece in the NBA at best. Have to take a closer look at this kid's overall game this season to see if he's made any progress toward becoming a more complete player. Tell you what though, how I see it - if we wind up in the lower part of the lottery he'd have to be an option for us if he's still there. But to be honest if we really rattle off some wins and wind up outside the lottery, somewhere in the middle of the 1st round, unlike Thabeet and some of the other primo talent, he wouldn't be a guy I'd try and trade up as of right now...

[Edited by - finestrg on 11-17-2008 10:35 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Why don't we add Stephon Curry as the next PG and let all the other teams have the high flyers and the Ricky Rubio's and we can take the brains skills and bloodline.

If I'm gonna take an undersized shooter/scorer as a guard (listed at 6'3" but might be more like 6'1") that really doesn't have the good PG skills to run a club he better at least be a complete offensive player. This kid's a terrific little jumpshooter but in terms of being that complete scoring guard, I'm not sure he can really take his guy off the dribble consistently. What really seperates this kid from similar players right now? Does he have the height like his father did? Does he have the overall strength like an Eric Gordon has? Tell you what, he's probably not as good or as complete a player as Jerryd Bayless for example - I think Bayless has a much better NBA future IMHO. This kid's good and he & his team had a nice run in the Tourney, but I'm not so sure he'll ever be more than just a good complementary piece in the NBA at best. Have to take a closer look at this kid's overall game this season to see if he's made any progress toward becoming a more complete player. Tell you what though, how I see it - if we wind up in the lower part of the lottery he'd have to be an option for us if he's still there. But to be honest if we really rattle off some wins and wind up outside the lottery, somewhere in the middle of the 1st round, unlike Thabeet and some of the other primo talent, he wouldn't be a guy I'd try and trade up to get as of right now...

[Edited by - finestrg on 11-17-2008 10:35 PM]

This guy can play PG.

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Posted by 4949:

Posted by misterearl:

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"With someone like Zach, you know he'll get some boards and maybe get to 20, but you can only hope." - 4949

Ranks #20 in the NBA in Points Per Game(20.8)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(12.9)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds(39.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(3.9)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(90.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(9.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(129.0)

No, Zach is NOT Lebron, and he is definately NOT pretty in making it do what it do, but make no mistake about it - the young man IS having an all-star season so far.

Cut and paste these numbers on David Lee and there would be an instant thread on why he is a candidate for The NBA Hall of Fame.

yeah, these stats are all pretty and all, but I'm talking about people who can put them up without question and more importantly 'maintain those numbers'. We're still only 10 games into the season. He has to prove it 72 more games.

Sorry, don't mean to rain on your parade, but let's be a little realistic here. And I'm not bashing him for what he's doing right now, but he's got to maintain this level for a whole season in order to be considered a star. And by the end of the season, if he still has these rankings, then I'll give him the respect he deserves. Fair?

Zach has maintained these number before. What makes you think he won't maintain these numbers. Zach isn't the problem and never was the problem for the Knicks. The man simply loves to play basketball and that is refreshing to see on a team full of players that take the game for granted. You want to move players think about moving Jerome and Curry first. Because Zach will be needed to attract a potential free agent to the Knicks in the future. Right now if Zach was on the Cavs they would be a lock for a championship. If you deal Zach you would have to get back a lot in return.

Everything you just said is false. Zach Randolph is a heavier Antoine Walker plain and simple. He takes more shots from the outside than he does in the paint. He shoots 43% from the field. He heed to shoot 20 times to score 20 points. He is Jamal Crawford in a PF's body except he can play down low. His stats are inflated. The only thing that stands out is his great rebounding numbers. I will give him that. He can rebound with the best of them. He is not game-changing player. His defense is terrible and the ball in his hands is never the best option. He's not a superstar by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, he averaged identical stats the year before he was traded to NY for trash. That tells you about his value in the league. He has value but people are overrating him simply because we haven't had a big man who can get a double double while being a scoring threat consistently in ages.

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Posted by nyk4ever:

What a great ass hang I had on October 6

True ass-hang: The Knicks will trade Zach Randolph by the trade deadline to a contender because he's having such a great season stats-wise as well as chemistry-wise.

No problem if the package is a young star, another prospect, two expiring contracts, a first round pick for this season, another for the next one, 3 millions cash, the whole cheerleading group, jessica alba, 22 hd tvs, a photoshoped Lebron James in a Knicks jersey holding the NBA trophy and six burritos.

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Posted by Anji:

If trends continue, the knicks could make an all out push LBJ. Alot of things have to happen, but LBJ to the knicks could not be so far fetched.


It really would have helped move the process along if Mcgee was a knick instead of Danillo though.

Ahh, another one sees the light! Welcome to the believers of the 2010 plan. Feel free to photoshop and post any LeBron James in a Knicks uni any time.

Seriously, I do believe it can happen but its not just about getting cap relief, its about making intelligent trades that not only bring us expiring contracts but solid draft pics and young players with star or allstar potential. For Lebron to come here, we have to show him a solid group of players he can take to the ultimate level.

Right now It wouldn't be bad to keep a player like Zach on the team if you can still find other ways to get expiring contracts and young talent. Guys like Zach, Chandler, Duhon, Nate and Lee along with talented but less experienced players would be enough for Lebron to really consider the Knicks since he knows they aren't really in rebuilding because they have solid players to win now. A young center and probably a healthy Danillo would be nice.

In the end, I do believe the Knicks, with intelligent trades, can get in position to get a player like Lebron, Bosh etc.

[Edited by - knicksfan on 11-17-2008 11:45 PM]