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TMS
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Seems like more & more of you are willing to trash the plan to get under the cap in 2010 in favor of targetting players like Vince & G Wallace right now. I think it's time for everyone to man up & pick a side... either u wanna keep dumping bad contracts & target cap flexibility in 2010 to go after guys like Lebron, Bosh, Wade, Amare, Dirk, etc., or you wanna go for the quick fix & cash in on another starphuch type trade to try & win more games right now in order to target the playoffs this season. Which is it cacas??? Man Up & be counted! y'all can pat urselves on the back all u want & have bragging rights if ur way ends up bringing this franchise more longterm success than the other side... i don't wanna see any gay-azz hedging type answers like "well, i wanna get under the cap in 2010, but i also wanna trade for Gerald Wallace right now"... sorry doodies, that don't cut it.
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Uptown
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11/11/2008  5:30 PM
Posted by Rookie:

hmmmm, so I guess if we get younger and cap ready, we'll still have to keep a couple of veteran role models in Randolf and Crawford.

Where are we getting these young players from? We have 1 first round pick from now till 2010. It already looks as if we totally blew last years pick. Teams aren't looking to trade first round picks unless they are at the back end of the first round. And we dont have any players who would warrant an exchange of a first rounder. So again, where are these 1st rounders (better yet lotto picks, because thats usually where the stars are) coming from?
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11/11/2008  5:47 PM
Marbury will be gone, Rose will be gone, Q Rich will be gone, Jerome James will be gone...maybe Curry too. You get younger by subtraction unless you are willing to take on more veteran contracts through trades. Expiring or not, that would tend to go against the current trend...so, to answer your question, they are already here.
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11/11/2008  5:57 PM
Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford have player options at 11 and 10 million dollars respectively. I dont see them leaving that kind of money on the table because I dont see them making that kind of annual salary again.

Okay, here's a better question for you, where are these young players that will steer a player like Lebron James here and away from other teams like Det, NJ etc who have more and perhaps better young players than we do?
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11/11/2008  5:59 PM
That's right....so how you feeling about 2010 now?
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11/11/2008  6:14 PM
I think we should try to get at or under the cap in time for 2010 but at the same time, we have to realize we have two whole seasons to play before the summer of 2010. We can't blindly look to dump slaries and leave the cubbard so bare that the only knicks standing when its time to offer James a contract is JJ2 and Mardy Collins.

Detroit, NJ and others are all trying to gear up for the summer of 2010 and all we will have to oofer the bright-lights and a dream of NY City. Detroit on the other hand will have young players wh have been through the grind, not to mention a winning pedigree and Mr.Dumars. NJ will have a handfull of young players who are better than anything we have right now (Harris, Yi, Lopez...0 and there will be other teams who will be in position to grab James and any other top FA.

If we can shed contract and inmprove at the same time, that will be the way to go. A Wallace for Curry trade for instance makes a ton of sense to me. Curry and Wallace a salary swaps. If Curry doent opt out, replacing him with Wallace is a great deal. We still have 2 long years to try and move Zach, Craw and JJ2. I'm sure we can attach Lee to one of the contracts and get back a shorter one. They way Zach is playing now, we might be able to move him at the trading deadline this year or next.

Wallace, Chandler, thie years 1st pick and hopefully a healthy Gallo would look more attractive than what we have now.
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11/11/2008  6:41 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

TMS, take me off that list. I'm not pro or anti. I would love to get LeBron, but I don't want to make so many sacrifices that if we put ourselves in the position to get him or Bosh, and don't. We'll be screwed after that.

I'm pro smart management and pro flexibility. Have the ability to sign LeBosh and if you can't get them, have the ability to make a great team regardless. Prepare for this without gambling.

Walsh knows what he's doing.

pro flexibility is what the 2010 plan entails... but whatever, u don't wanna be on the list, i'll take u off the list.
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11/11/2008  6:42 PM
Posted by Uptown:

Look, I'm all for trying to get under the cap for 2010 (I'm still not sure we can pull that off) but at the same time, I dont want to sit on my hands waiting for a savior. Walsh himself said he wants to put a competitive product on the floor while still keeping an eye on 2010. How can Walsh put a competitive product on the floor and at the same time tanking for draft picks? And what Free agent will want to come here to play with JJ2 and Q? Remember, we are not the only team trying to get under the cap by 2010. Detroit and Dumars are more attractive than we are just on pedigree alone.

I still believe a Wallace for Curry trade can be made without hampering our target of 2010. Wallace is just replacing Curry's contract. Its up to Walsh to work diligently to move Craw/JJ2/Q'a contracts off the books. But Wallace's presense will make the product more attratcive to a FA.

So in essence, Yes I want to shoot for the goal of getting under the cap for 2010, but we still need to look for creative ways to improve the team in the meantime so a Freeagent would deem us an attratctive destination.

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11/11/2008  6:44 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Rookie:

hmmmm, so I guess if we get younger and cap ready, we'll still have to keep a couple of veteran role models in Randolf and Crawford.

Where are we getting these young players from? We have 1 first round pick from now till 2010. It already looks as if we totally blew last years pick. Teams aren't looking to trade first round picks unless they are at the back end of the first round. And we dont have any players who would warrant an exchange of a first rounder. So again, where are these 1st rounders (better yet lotto picks, because thats usually where the stars are) coming from?


we had a deal in place to get the #5 pick overall for D Lee in the draft dude, what are u talking about?
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11/11/2008  6:50 PM
Posted by Uptown:

I think we should try to get at or under the cap in time for 2010 but at the same time, we have to realize we have two whole seasons to play before the summer of 2010. We can't blindly look to dump slaries and leave the cubbard so bare that the only knicks standing when its time to offer James a contract is JJ2 and Mardy Collins.

Detroit, NJ and others are all trying to gear up for the summer of 2010 and all we will have to oofer the bright-lights and a dream of NY City. Detroit on the other hand will have young players wh have been through the grind, not to mention a winning pedigree and Mr.Dumars. NJ will have a handfull of young players who are better than anything we have right now (Harris, Yi, Lopez...0 and there will be other teams who will be in position to grab James and any other top FA.

If we can shed contract and inmprove at the same time, that will be the way to go. A Wallace for Curry trade for instance makes a ton of sense to me. Curry and Wallace a salary swaps. If Curry doent opt out, replacing him with Wallace is a great deal. We still have 2 long years to try and move Zach, Craw and JJ2. I'm sure we can attach Lee to one of the contracts and get back a shorter one. They way Zach is playing now, we might be able to move him at the trading deadline this year or next.

Wallace, Chandler, thie years 1st pick and hopefully a healthy Gallo would look more attractive than what we have now.

ur contradicting urself here unless u think someone's advocating dumping our young kids & 1st rounder to dump contracts? i never once advocated that & neither did anyone else around here.

if we unload Zach, D Lee & Curry for shorter length contracts & even a mid-late 1st round pick for example, we still have a great shot at having some nice young pieces that would appeal to any potential FA to play with... we'd likely have a higher lottery pick to take a better talent in the draft first of all... then we'd have Chandler, Gallo, Nate & Jamal still here getting more familiar w/MDA's system... u add in that other prospect u draft w/the extra pick u got from the trades along w/the cap space to target a FA in 2010 & another MLE signing, & u can't tell me that's even close to being a completely barren roster.
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11/11/2008  7:27 PM
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11/11/2008  7:30 PM
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11/11/2008  8:18 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Rookie:

hmmmm, so I guess if we get younger and cap ready, we'll still have to keep a couple of veteran role models in Randolf and Crawford.

Where are we getting these young players from? We have 1 first round pick from now till 2010. It already looks as if we totally blew last years pick. Teams aren't looking to trade first round picks unless they are at the back end of the first round. And we dont have any players who would warrant an exchange of a first rounder. So again, where are these 1st rounders (better yet lotto picks, because thats usually where the stars are) coming from?


we had a deal in place to get the #5 pick overall for D Lee in the draft dude, what are u talking about?

The train has long left the station. Lee is/was our only trading chip. He's a free agent this summer so unless we move him by the deadline, we aren't gettiing much (And I dont see anyone giving up a lotto pick for Lee during the season when they can just sign him outright in the summer.) so that leaves what: Craw, Zach, Curry...I highly doubt we will get a 1st rounder for any of them. In fact, the Clips wanted a 1st rounder just for taking Zach off of our hands.
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11/11/2008  8:26 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Uptown:

I think we should try to get at or under the cap in time for 2010 but at the same time, we have to realize we have two whole seasons to play before the summer of 2010. We can't blindly look to dump slaries and leave the cubbard so bare that the only knicks standing when its time to offer James a contract is JJ2 and Mardy Collins.

Detroit, NJ and others are all trying to gear up for the summer of 2010 and all we will have to oofer the bright-lights and a dream of NY City. Detroit on the other hand will have young players wh have been through the grind, not to mention a winning pedigree and Mr.Dumars. NJ will have a handfull of young players who are better than anything we have right now (Harris, Yi, Lopez...0 and there will be other teams who will be in position to grab James and any other top FA.

If we can shed contract and inmprove at the same time, that will be the way to go. A Wallace for Curry trade for instance makes a ton of sense to me. Curry and Wallace a salary swaps. If Curry doent opt out, replacing him with Wallace is a great deal. We still have 2 long years to try and move Zach, Craw and JJ2. I'm sure we can attach Lee to one of the contracts and get back a shorter one. They way Zach is playing now, we might be able to move him at the trading deadline this year or next.

Wallace, Chandler, thie years 1st pick and hopefully a healthy Gallo would look more attractive than what we have now.

ur contradicting urself here unless u think someone's advocating dumping our young kids & 1st rounder to dump contracts? i never once advocated that & neither did anyone else around here.

if we unload Zach, D Lee & Curry for shorter length contracts & even a mid-late 1st round pick for example, we still have a great shot at having some nice young pieces that would appeal to any potential FA to play with... we'd likely have a higher lottery pick to take a better talent in the draft first of all... then we'd have Chandler, Gallo, Nate & Jamal still here getting more familiar w/MDA's system... u add in that other prospect u draft w/the extra pick u got from the trades along w/the cap space to target a FA in 2010 & another MLE signing, & u can't tell me that's even close to being a completely barren roster.

If we can get a lotto pick or even a mid first for what we have...then I'm all for it. I just dont see it, especially when we were being told to include our own first round pick just to unload Zach.

When Walsh said he wanted to be competitive all the while keeping an eye on the 2010 class, that read to me that he is not dumping players I.E. Randolph for second rounders and garbage. He seems to want value, and players who can play. With that said, I dont see the possiblity of us getting a higher lotto pick than last year because we are going to be better this year. If a move is made, I believe Walsh will bring in players who can play.....so again, I dont see our lotto status changing.


[Edited by - uptown on 11-11-2008 8:27 PM]
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11/11/2008  8:31 PM
i don't wanna include our 1st rounder to dump Zach & never have... i've been OK w/moving down in the draft last season in that rumored Philly trade tho... we would have still been able to pick up a very talented young player if we'd gone that route & would have been in great position to be under the cap in 2010 besides.

i think we can easily land at least a mid 1st round pick for D Lee right now if we decide to move him... the longer we wait the more his trade value drops... this is what i'm advocating here... to amass more picks & assets & maneuver for cap flexibility in 2010.
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