Posted by tkf:

Posted by oohah:

TKF, I wanted Mark Jackson.

Maybe this city would have manhandled him, but think about it: Jackson is from St. Albans Queens, Bishop Loughlin, St. Johns, New York, Knicks rookie of the Year, an All-star in New York, then he was completely turned on by the city and chewed up and spit out.

Then he showed up and kicked our asses for 10 years.

My point is Mark Jackson understands the dynamic of New York. He is New York. He would have been prepared for the media, the fans, and the drama. LB had been gone too long, he did not realize or did not care.

D'Antoni obviously does not have a firm grasp on what it means to be a coach in NYC and have every breath analyzed by the media. He did not realize that what he did in training camp could haunt him in game 1. He thought that he had a honeymoon period. He did have a honeymoon but in New York the honeymoon only lasts until the first loss. From watching his dealing with the Phoenix media I think he is a bit too reactionary for this town. A coach here has to stop reading the papers, and keep his cool. You can't start cursing the fans in game 1.

I hope he succeeds, because I really onnly care about the Knicks winning, but he better start learning fast. Because he has never seen anything like this before!

oohah

oohah, all of that is ridiculous man, with all due respect. All of this understanding NY is hogwash. Other than the Yankees and the giants recently, this city is full of self aggrandizing, loud mouth, obnoxious fans. If this were the yankees who won 4 championships over the past decade and a rich history of winning, then I can understand, but the knicks haven't won shyt!!! shyt!! not since what 1971/72? We haven't wont a damn thing, so all of this, learning NY, understanding how to play in NY.. Is just hogwash...!!! We need a culture change not just as team and franchise, but as fans!!! Learn to be patient, less judgmental, less agenda driven, and lets stop being so quick to turn on our own..

Then he showed up and kicked our asses for 10 years.

when? like the time we knocked their asses out of the playoff's with spree and Houston? or like his second go around here when we got him from toronto, chris childs busted his ass in the playoffs?

come on man. The knicks are not as great as a franchise as people in this city want to believe. We had some great moments in the 90's, great moments, I am proud of those days, but lets be real, what have we won? I am open to a new way, and new thinking, I know as New yorkers we feel we are these superior basketball fans, but honestly, I think have some knowledgeable fans, but they are the minority in NY. We have more fans who know less about basketball and more about being ignorant and beligerant and they feel because we had a team in the 90's that plodded , fouled acted tough and foolish at the same time, that we know what it takes to win. Ah, hogwash.. time for a change, a complete change. I am all for it, and I am willing to be a patient fan. Trying to find fault with professional, competent men like walsh and D'antoni is ridiculous, the remarks and pictures referring to walsh age and competency are childish and classless( I am not accusing you of this) and it just shows what type of silly, childish, entitlement filled, bipolar fan base we have here in this city..

You've had some great posts over the years, but dude, this is amazing. The truth will set you free!

But anyway, to add to this point, Marc Stein, who does the power rankings at ESPN, did an average for the past six seasons and a little write up on why each tema landed where they did. The Knicks were 28th. Yes, there was an awesome stretch for the New York Knicks, one that I am proud of as well. But, again, what did the Knicks win? And before that there was a stretch of crappy basketball, which coincide with Bernard King's getting cut short. And before that there was a stretch of crappy basketball, which started when the 69-70, 71-72 teams deteriorated.

The Knicks, as a franchise, are pretty effing terrible. There's nothing really there. But that doesn't stop people thinking the team is a marquee franchise. People believe this because New York is a basketball city. The sport plays an important part in the culture and fabric of NYC. I think that makes it easy for people to think that Knicks are relevant. I know that's why I thought the Knicks mattered for a while.

But at the end of the day, how are the Knicks any different than SEA/OKC? I mean, they won a championship in the 70s. They had a great team in the 90s, which also came up short against Jordan.

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by oohah:

TKF, I wanted Mark Jackson.

Maybe this city would have manhandled him, but think about it: Jackson is from St. Albans Queens, Bishop Loughlin, St. Johns, New York, Knicks rookie of the Year, an All-star in New York, then he was completely turned on by the city and chewed up and spit out.

Then he showed up and kicked our asses for 10 years.

My point is Mark Jackson understands the dynamic of New York. He is New York. He would have been prepared for the media, the fans, and the drama. LB had been gone too long, he did not realize or did not care.

D'Antoni obviously does not have a firm grasp on what it means to be a coach in NYC and have every breath analyzed by the media. He did not realize that what he did in training camp could haunt him in game 1. He thought that he had a honeymoon period. He did have a honeymoon but in New York the honeymoon only lasts until the first loss. From watching his dealing with the Phoenix media I think he is a bit too reactionary for this town. A coach here has to stop reading the papers, and keep his cool. You can't start cursing the fans in game 1.

I hope he succeeds, because I really onnly care about the Knicks winning, but he better start learning fast. Because he has never seen anything like this before!

oohah

oohah, all of that is ridiculous man, with all due respect. All of this understanding NY is hogwash. Other than the Yankees and the giants recently, this city is full of self aggrandizing, loud mouth, obnoxious fans. If this were the yankees who won 4 championships over the past decade and a rich history of winning, then I can understand, but the knicks haven't won shyt!!! shyt!! not since what 1971/72? We haven't wont a damn thing, so all of this, learning NY, understanding how to play in NY.. Is just hogwash...!!! We need a culture change not just as team and franchise, but as fans!!! Learn to be patient, less judgmental, less agenda driven, and lets stop being so quick to turn on our own..

Then he showed up and kicked our asses for 10 years.

when? like the time we knocked their asses out of the playoff's with spree and Houston? or like his second go around here when we got him from toronto, chris childs busted his ass in the playoffs?

come on man. The knicks are not as great as a franchise as people in this city want to believe. We had some great moments in the 90's, great moments, I am proud of those days, but lets be real, what have we won? I am open to a new way, and new thinking, I know as New yorkers we feel we are these superior basketball fans, but honestly, I think have some knowledgeable fans, but they are the minority in NY. We have more fans who know less about basketball and more about being ignorant and beligerant and they feel because we had a team in the 90's that plodded , fouled acted tough and foolish at the same time, that we know what it takes to win. Ah, hogwash.. time for a change, a complete change. I am all for it, and I am willing to be a patient fan. Trying to find fault with professional, competent men like walsh and D'antoni is ridiculous, the remarks and pictures referring to walsh age and competency are childish and classless( I am not accusing you of this) and it just shows what type of silly, childish, entitlement filled, bipolar fan base we have here in this city..

You've had some great posts over the years, but dude, this is amazing. The truth will set you free!

But anyway, to add to this point, Marc Stein, who does the power rankings at ESPN, did an average for the past six seasons and a little write up on why each tema landed where they did. The Knicks were 28th. Yes, there was an awesome stretch for the New York Knicks, one that I am proud of as well. But, again, what did the Knicks win? And before that there was a stretch of crappy basketball, which coincide with Bernard King's getting cut short. And before that there was a stretch of crappy basketball, which started when the 69-70, 71-72 teams deteriorated.

The Knicks, as a franchise, are pretty effing terrible. There's nothing really there. But that doesn't stop people thinking the team is a marquee franchise. People believe this because New York is a basketball city. The sport plays an important part in the culture and fabric of NYC. I think that makes it easy for people to think that Knicks are relevant. I know that's why I thought the Knicks mattered for a while.

But at the end of the day, how are the Knicks any different than SEA/OKC? I mean, they won a championship in the 70s. They had a great team in the 90s, which also came up short against Jordan.

Thanks man. I am just tired of all this "NY way" stuff. We are becomming the Raiders, all of this " he is a raider type player" or doing things the "Raider' way... what has that gotten Al Davis? time for a new direction. I think Walsh and D'antoni can bring that here, a refreshing new direction, and all people can do now, is find fault with them because the coach is deciding to severe ties with a career team destroyer..

And yes, what makes us any different than seattle/OKC? or Portland?

come on man. The knicks are not as great as a franchise as people in this city want to believe. We had some great moments in the 90's, great moments, I am proud of those days, but lets be real, what have we won? I am open to a new way, and new thinking, I know as New yorkers we feel we are these superior basketball fans, but honestly, I think have some knowledgeable fans, but they are the minority in NY. We have more fans who know less about basketball and more about being ignorant and beligerant and they feel because we had a team in the 90's that plodded , fouled acted tough and foolish at the same time, that we know what it takes to win. Ah, hogwash.. time for a change, a complete change. I am all for it, and I am willing to be a patient fan. Trying to find fault with professional, competent men like walsh and D'antoni is ridiculous, the remarks and pictures referring to walsh age and competency are childish and classless( I am not accusing you of this) and it just shows what type of silly, childish, entitlement filled, bipolar fan base we have here in this city..

Posted by oohah:

oohah, all of that is ridiculous man, with all due respect. All of this understanding NY is hogwash. Other than the Yankees and the giants recently, this city is full of self aggrandizing, loud mouth, obnoxious fans. If this were the yankees who won 4 championships over the past decade and a rich history of winning, then I can understand, but the knicks haven't won shyt!!! shyt!! not since what 1971/72? We haven't wont a damn thing, so all of this, learning NY, understanding how to play in NY.. Is just hogwash...!!! We need a culture change not just as team and franchise, but as fans!!! Learn to be patient, less judgmental, less agenda driven, and lets stop being so quick to turn on our own..

Honestly, I don't see how this relates to what I wrote. It has nothing to do with what the Knicks have won. it has to do with the coach being able to execute his plan. And if he doesn't take into account the obnoxious press and overbearing fans, he is run out of town faster than you can say "how do you do". That is what understanding New York is about.

If you want to take this someplace logical in regards to reasonable expectations based on the past, then you have been down South too long and no longer understand New York. Ain't nothing reasonable about New York bud.

oohah

but the press and fans don't run anyone out of town, at least not directly. as long as d'antoni can deal with walsh, that's what matters to the franchise. and if walsh hasn't bought out steph or jerome, i'm sure he's not going to overreact to some bad press in the first few months on the job. d'antoni will get the time and support he needs to execute his plan.

the NY sports press isn't going to change, it will always look for controversy and to stir up trouble. isiah tried to play the media game, spin what they want to hear and cover his ass, and got labeled as smarmy and disingenuous. d'antoni talks to the press with a lot more candor and even a sense of humor, and a lot less trepidation. he gave a reporter inside access to his suns team for a whole season! the NY press will use his quips the same old ways, i don't think he cares and i sure don't.

it will all come down to how it plays out on court, and so far no one likes what they see. but it's three games, with almost the same roster as last year. no need to start eulogizing d'antoni's knick career yet.

The weird thing isn't that MDA chose to deactivate Steph, it's that Donnie didn't know what was going on because it happened "over the weekend," as though we should all understand the weekend is reserved for square-dancing and bingo back at "the home." Being GM of this team is not a 9-5 job, and we all knew the beginning of the season was going to be crucial, and possibly a powder keg - this is not the time to be shopping for hand towels with the wife.

Donnie is the guy who still keeping Isiah around, presumably under the notion that after he's done killing himself and blaming it on his daughter he could be useful to us. The same notions seemingly apply to Steph: after he's done killing another season and blaming it on his coach he might be useful to us.

Donnie, take your blood pressure medicine with a big swig of bourbon and show up to frikkin work already. There is much work to be done.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by TMS:

no doubt, i hate what things have come to as well dude... & u gotta admit Marbury's been a huge part of the reason why this franchise has become such a laughing stock... it's not entirely his doing but the circus that follows him around is definitely not helping matters at all... the sooner we get rid of that nonsense the better.

All due respect, TMS but you can't bring yourself to admit that the Knicks got worse when Crawford arrived. They basically went from a team fighting to make the playoffs to the biggest laughing stock. As one columnist pointed out when do people begin to look at the guy who was a main focal point on two teams that have posted some of the worst records in their franchise history. Also, both teams seem to play better when he was not in the lineup. Marbury is part of the problem but to me Jamal is the bigger problem because people still believe this guy is capable of being a better player. Good game Bad game Jamal.

Posted by oohah:

when? like the time we knocked their asses out of the playoff's with spree and Houston? or like his second go around here when we got him from toronto, chris childs busted his ass in the playoffs?

You've got a real short memory. You're going to individual games and to the last 6 months of his career trying to find something to refute me with. I won't do your research for you. Mark jackson absolutely owned Ward and Childs while they were our point guards. If you don't remember that, I can't make you remember it.

oohah

not really my friend. Last time I checked, the knicks went to the finals twice in the 90's, and jacko was not on either of those teams.... It seemed like we managed..

Posted by Masterplan:

Posted by oohah:

oohah, all of that is ridiculous man, with all due respect. All of this understanding NY is hogwash. Other than the Yankees and the giants recently, this city is full of self aggrandizing, loud mouth, obnoxious fans. If this were the yankees who won 4 championships over the past decade and a rich history of winning, then I can understand, but the knicks haven't won shyt!!! shyt!! not since what 1971/72? We haven't wont a damn thing, so all of this, learning NY, understanding how to play in NY.. Is just hogwash...!!! We need a culture change not just as team and franchise, but as fans!!! Learn to be patient, less judgmental, less agenda driven, and lets stop being so quick to turn on our own..

Honestly, I don't see how this relates to what I wrote. It has nothing to do with what the Knicks have won. it has to do with the coach being able to execute his plan. And if he doesn't take into account the obnoxious press and overbearing fans, he is run out of town faster than you can say "how do you do". That is what understanding New York is about.

If you want to take this someplace logical in regards to reasonable expectations based on the past, then you have been down South too long and no longer understand New York. Ain't nothing reasonable about New York bud.

oohah

but the press and fans don't run anyone out of town, at least not directly. as long as d'antoni can deal with walsh, that's what matters to the franchise. and if walsh hasn't bought out steph or jerome, i'm sure he's not going to overreact to some bad press in the first few months on the job. d'antoni will get the time and support he needs to execute his plan.

the NY sports press isn't going to change, it will always look for controversy and to stir up trouble. isiah tried to play the media game, spin what they want to hear and cover his ass, and got labeled as smarmy and disingenuous. d'antoni talks to the press with a lot more candor and even a sense of humor, and a lot less trepidation. he gave a reporter inside access to his suns team for a whole season! the NY press will use his quips the same old ways, i don't think he cares and i sure don't.

it will all come down to how it plays out on court, and so far no one likes what they see. but it's three games, with almost the same roster as last year. no need to start eulogizing d'antoni's knick career yet.

good post....

Posted by tkf:



well since you acknowledged NY is filled with extremes, then shouldn't we sit back and not prejudge the situation until it is played out. Should we not look to throw our GM and coach to the wolves only 3 games into the season, now that we know that this city is filled with extremist fans and media?