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misterearl
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10/30/2008  11:36 AM
oohah - arbitrary grades for The Answer Man?

You gotta be kidding.

It's only basketball.
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10/30/2008  11:46 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by misterearl:

Say What?

cosmic - We don't need to start another fiasco here and while Marbury HAS been the good soldier he hasn't been rewarded for doing so and that means he will eventually go off about it - and rightfully so.

Did you say rewarded? Marbury is cashing a larger check every two weeks that the entire 19,763 in attendance last night combined.

The fact is it doesn;t matter if Marbury has been a "good soldier" or not. In terms of the direction of the franchise. As it relates to the distribution of minutes, for purposes of looking ahead - he is old news. There is no fiasco unless Marbury chooses to make it so. In that case, D'Antoni can further segregate him for not being a team player. It ain't that deep.

Even Marbury understands that time don't wait for nobody.

Yeah, rewarded.

He's in terrific shape, he's done everything they have asked him to do, and they give him a DNP. That's not right I don't care what the guy has done in the past or how eager we are to move on from him. Embarrassing him is not the answer that's an Isiah way of doing things. Either play him in the role he has willingly played or waive him and be done with it. It serves no purpose to rot him on the bench. None. Resolve it now before it BECOMES a problem and it will indeed become a problem.

it is his job to be in terrific shape. He is not the only guy in the NBA getting DNP's that is in great shape... it is his job..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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10/30/2008  11:46 AM
Posted by misterearl:

McK1 - The press does not run the Knicks.

The scrutiny comes with playing in New York. Everyone understands that.

Yeah but the press does run players/coaches into 1 of the many holes in the ground around NYC for a night of binge boozing and maybe a line or two then onto a subway and out of town

why leave the lid off the cookie jar?

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10/30/2008  11:49 AM
Posted by misterearl:

McK1 - The press does not run the Knicks. Who cares what they attempt to stir up in their quest to gain attention to sell more papers?

The scrutiny comes with playing in New York. Everyone understands that.

D'Antoni will serve notice in the only place that counts. The locker room.

Get in line dudes. It's about to get real.

The only thing that matters is in the assists column. How many assists were there? 26 last night?

I can live with that.

This ain't Phoenix and it ain't Indiana. Guys learn here real quick that the only thing that matters is the back page and how it goes your way. I watch many of so call guys who are going to do it their way come in NYC to only leave in disgrace. At least Tom got smart in his 3rd year and changed his attitude. We'll see how long the honeymoon season will last.
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10/30/2008  11:49 AM
Posted by McK1:

the many holes in the ground around NYC for a night of binge boozing and maybe a line or two then onto a subway and out of town
what the hell are you trying to say??? Sounds like all positives to me. Start hating on chubby chasing and we are throwing down
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10/30/2008  11:52 AM
Posted by misterearl:


The only thing that matters is in the assists column. How many assists were there? 26 last night?

I can live with that.

I guess the W column doesn't factor into any of this then. So if we end up leading the league in ASSISTS with only 15 WINS can you deal with that?
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10/30/2008  11:53 AM
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imho, too much is being made of this.

this is marbury's last year here no matter what. and if he starts problems, he will be sent home. d'alsh ain't f'ing around. so he has to deal with it. i don't think there's any reason to overanalyze at this point. the media has been sh tting on the team for years (deservedly so) so any more fuel they try to throw into a fire ain't gonna do much in terms of how dolan/d'alsh will react to things. marbury's time here is done. the only question is when...

Exactly.

Marbury makes $21 million, making him pretty much untradable.

He said, "I won't accept a penny less."

I think it's really too bad that he has tried to buy back in, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT HIM, IT'S ABOUT THE KNICKS FUTURE, AND HE AIN'T PART OF IT.

Why not cut him?

Maybe it's punishment for what he did to the organization over the years, especially last season, and how he was given so many opportunities. Maybe they can't honestly let him walk to play for a team competing with us (like Miami) after he has hurt the organization for so long. It's similar to what they did with Isiah. They didn't fire him either, they just moved him, because he's making big bucks and they want something for that. Maybe it's about holding onto all of their assets to see what happens. If the Knicks have some injuries, they may need him to come in, but otherwise they don't see a need to play him when they have other priorities, and only a short time to make much bigger decisions.

D'Antoni gave us his answer:

“I hate it, and I hate it for Steph,” D’Antoni said after the game. “He hasn’t done anything wrong. It’s just that I think going forward, Gallinari, Will Chandler, Duhon, David Lee, just go down through, Nate. We’ve got to know certain things as we go forward. We’re trying to build a team. It’s not this year. It’s a two- or three-year project, and I don’t want to get started next year on the project. I want to get started right now.”

As for Malik getting PT over Steph?

Malik's contract has a better shot at being moved, could be one. Plus he has an elder statesmen mentality, and I can see how D'Antoni wants the younger players to learn from him. He's also a forward, and if Jeffries is healthy, I doubt we see Rose get any burn. The guard rotation is set. With Mardy, he's someone they need to see more of.

This isn't as complicated to figure out as some seem to be making it out to be.

To me, this also has to do with a residual effect of all of the ridiculous contracts a lot of players got in the early 00's.

If Steph was making half his salary, I think they might consider playing him, because someone might be willing to trade for him. But with $21 mil, no team can gut their roster to trade for him.



[Edited by - PresIke on 10-30-2008 11:56 AM]
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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10/30/2008  11:57 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by McK1:

the many holes in the ground around NYC for a night of binge boozing and maybe a line or two then onto a subway and out of town
what the hell are you trying to say??? Sounds like all positives to me. Start hating on chubby chasing and we are throwing down

is rollin em in dough and looking for the wet spot still considered foreplay?
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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10/30/2008  12:05 PM
tkf - what you said

"it's his JOB to be in shape"

Ewing33BX - stop for a moment, ask yourself if the number of assists is a leading indicator of better basketball?

One season, barring a minor miracle, is not going to be a dramatic turnaround in the win column. What we CAN look for however is change in how the game is played.

If you don't think asissts are important then you are missing the fun and significance of Zach Randolph hitting the open man, or David Lee and Wilson Chandler hooking up on the break.

Teamwork is contagious. Frankly, I don't have a problem with it.

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10/30/2008  12:11 PM
Just Win baby

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pharzeone - the only thing that matters in New York is winning.

Watching and being fearful of "the back page" is for sissies.
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10/30/2008  12:12 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by BlueSeats:

If nothing else, management just hung a bi FIRE SALE sign out for Marbury. We don't want to trade him as we want the salary dump, but hopefully his agent can field some offers from other teams ad we can negotiate a buyout for the rest.

Doesn't anyone want some damaged goods for cheap?

Thing is, and I know you know this, 22M of Marbury gives us back 22M of garbage signed to 2013. We have no room for that. So just do the proper business decision and waive him. He's going to fight for every penny and that is his right so just waive him already. Any other way is going to lead to problems for the team. If we think we can just bench him until he gets so fed up he accepts a buyout we're delusional because he is absolutely able to play and play at a high level and the player's association will get involved and that's another thing we don't need is the league pissed off at us any more than they already are.

Just part ways....and move on.


Cos, I should have been more specific but this is what's implied in my post. And my understanding may be flawed, but it goes like this. When you put a player on waivers and another team picks him up they pay part of his salary and you are only responsible for the rest. So, rather than cut him at full cost, let it be known he's on the outs, let his agent field offers from other teams (we don't want offers, because we don't want salary back, nor do we have room for a 3 for 1 deal or another overpaid malcontent) then we cut him or negotiate a buyout at a reduced price knowing we'll be picking up the *remainder* of his contract vs the full amount.

I'm sure other teams know that Marbury will be available, but they may have thought it prudent to see how things play out and start making offers later on for the second half of the season. But Walshtoni have effective told the world we are motivated sellers, contact his agent immediately if you're interested.
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10/30/2008  12:17 PM
Posted by misterearl:

tkf - what you said

"it's his JOB to be in shape"

Ewing33BX - stop for a moment, ask yourself if the number of assists is a leading indicator of better basketball?

One season, barring a minor miracle, is not going to be a dramatic turnaround in the win column. What we CAN look for however is change in how the game is played.

If you don't think asissts are important then you are missing the fun and significance of Zach Randolph hitting the open man, or David Lee and Wilson Chandler hooking up on the break.

Teamwork is contagious. Frankly, I don't have a problem with it.

Yes, Assist does mean better basketball! (My favorite player at this time is Chris Paul, that should say something in itself.) But if you have someone who can help the team at this moment then logic will tell you to use him. Having him come to camp and play as opposed to telling him to stay away and deal with it that way was not a cool thing to do. I'm not asking for a miracle season where the team goes from worst to first but let these guys enjoy winning as well. He did nothing to disrupt that THIS PRESEASON under the, once again, "CLEAN SLATE REGIME", so why humilate him like this. He is far from a saint but he is a good basketball player on a bad team that does have use for him. Today it seems like there is no use for him but its not going to be every night that we face a 15 win team and feel good about winning by 5 after being up by 20 or so.
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10/30/2008  12:31 PM
There is no such thing as a clen slate.

EWING33BXNY - I feel you buet here is precisely where you may be grossly under-estimating the Marbury effect on progressive ball movement. Of course, there is no question the brotha has talent. This is not about talent. Its about team-building.

D'Antoni must have received an earful during player interviews to make up his mind early in the process. I would imagine there was enough vitriol from last season to send a clear message that number 3 was not regarded with affection. The Knicks, under D'Antoni, are not defined by individual skills but collective effort. That is a fundamental paradigm shift.

Humiliation? Hardly. He humiliated himslf the moment he got that silly tat on the side of his dome. The courtesy to Marbury was extended in training camp. The Knicks staff has made its decision based on the new playing personality it feels sets a selfless tone for the future.
As a result 2/5 of last years starters make the first unit diferent. Better? Maybe. Maybe not.

But it is different.

In this setup, even a peceived scrub like Jared Jeffries has a revised role, if he is willing to sacrifice and work hard.

Time moves on.

[Edited by - misterearl on 10-30-2008 12:32 PM]
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10/30/2008  12:37 PM
not playing a guy that isnt part of your plans isnt humiliating him. And Earl is right.. Marbury has done nothing but earned all this from his entire career.

New coach doesnt want him. Its not any deeper than that. MD doesnt like Marbury, doesnt need him and isnt going phuck up whatever plan he had by catering to him, trying to play him or anything else... nor should he have to.

Sorry Steph.. your a talented player but your not what we need. Enjoy the year and if you cant be a good soldier and act professionally in practice and on the sidelines then take a buyout
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10/30/2008  12:39 PM
Posted by fishmike:

not playing a guy that isnt part of your plans isnt humiliating him. And Earl is right.. Marbury has done nothing but earned all this from his entire career.

New coach doesnt want him. Its not any deeper than that. MD doesnt like Marbury, doesnt need him and isnt going phuck up whatever plan he had by catering to him, trying to play him or anything else... nor should he have to.

Sorry Steph.. your a talented player but your not what we need. Enjoy the year and if you cant be a good soldier and act professionally in practice and on the sidelines then take a buyout

I've been saying the same exact thing. Agree 100%

Athletes are to friggen sensitive. He's making a ton of money to sit his ass on the bench, where he deserves to be. Who cares.
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10/30/2008  12:54 PM
The Answer Man Knows That Like a Bitch, Like a Ho' ... he Ran!

Q. my man djsu - now that steph has his *iron mike* tat, what comes first: steph biting off duhon's eddie munster ear in practice or steph beating chris *blood* childs face in at a bodega?

A. Excellent question dj. Now we are getting somewhere. Let me get out the patented crystal basketball...

It sez here that Marbury... wait... what?... it says here that Stephon and Eddy Curry, both attempt to get a sit down with Donnie Walsh after Thanksgiving. Donnie passes them in the tunnel leading from the locker room to the MSG/Greenburgh court and tells them that so long as he is co-signing the checks that they have a responsibility to do one thing and one thing only...
... to get the fork back to work.

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10/30/2008  12:55 PM
I get the whole TEAM BUILDING thing you guys are saying. But the fact that they played him during the preseason, had a set rotation that included him, start him in a game, when he had every intention of using Collins during the regular season was not right.

If he wasn't in the plans then why ACT like he was in the plans. That is some IT behavior in itself.

D'Antoni "played" him, point blank. Its like telling the fat girl after a blind date that you are going to call her and then you don't.

Not sure how many people I just offended, sorry if I did.
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10/30/2008  12:59 PM
Posted by fishmike:

where's my answers?

Is double F- kinda like double secret probation?


I wanna grade you but I am working here and my girlfriend/partner shoots me a dirty look every time I should be talking to a client or something and I am BS'ing with you guys. She knows the UK look by heart.

Martin, we gotta re-skin this sucker!

Fish, I'll give you triple C- based on past history, then you'll get your full evaluation later.

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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10/30/2008  1:00 PM
Posted by misterearl:

oohah - arbitrary grades for The Answer Man?

You gotta be kidding.

It's only basketball.

Just jokes Mr. Earl, nothing personal -- though you're utterly and completely wrong and should feel very ashamed.

oohah





[Edited by - oohah on 30-10-2008 1:02 PM]
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10/30/2008  1:09 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by fishmike:

not playing a guy that isnt part of your plans isnt humiliating him. And Earl is right.. Marbury has done nothing but earned all this from his entire career.

New coach doesnt want him. Its not any deeper than that. MD doesnt like Marbury, doesnt need him and isnt going phuck up whatever plan he had by catering to him, trying to play him or anything else... nor should he have to.

Sorry Steph.. your a talented player but your not what we need. Enjoy the year and if you cant be a good soldier and act professionally in practice and on the sidelines then take a buyout

I've been saying the same exact thing. Agree 100%

Athletes are to friggen sensitive. He's making a ton of money to sit his ass on the bench, where he deserves to be. Who cares.
agree... but to fair Marbury is a basketball player in the prime of his career and he is not playing basketball. He is supposed to be bothered by this, and its fair that he is. However it is his fault. MD not playing him is just part of the business. Marbury has options.

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