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franco12
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10/27/2008  10:36 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

IF mide is an offensive coach, when it all come down to it, why would he go with PE .

Maybe you forgot (so soon) the horrific shooting that has occured in some of the preseason games like going 1-21 from DT or 4-36 from DT. Rob is a dead eye shooter when open. PE even though I was hoping they kept him ,I fully understand why the didn't

If Roberson is such a dead eye shooter, why didn't he get more time during the game?
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10/27/2008  11:03 PM
no big loss
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10/27/2008  11:26 PM
Roberson shot 20% for the pre-season. Not to mention he will be in a suit most games.

If he actually ends up helping us this season, we're in deeper doo-doo than I thought.

Ewing would have been the perfect 15th man. Coming to practice 3 hours early, practicing hard, willing to take whatever role... maybe pal around with Danilo a bit and take the spotlight off him. You dont think that kind of dedication and media deflection would've been helpful to young Gallo?

Not to mention hearing Pa-trick Ew-ing echoing through the rafters again. Music to this fans ears, the likes of which haven't been matched in a decade. I heard that sound again and it sent chills down my spine.

Nah... we don't want fans to be engaged with the team again, do we?

[Edited by - kam77 on 10-27-2008 11:28 PM]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/27/2008  11:36 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by knicks1248:

IF mide is an offensive coach, when it all come down to it, why would he go with PE .

Maybe you forgot (so soon) the horrific shooting that has occured in some of the preseason games like going 1-21 from DT or 4-36 from DT. Rob is a dead eye shooter when open. PE even though I was hoping they kept him ,I fully understand why the didn't

roberson's legacy will go down with ex-knick greats such as anthony bowie, greg grant and corey gaines...

Roberson isn't even the next Scottie Brooks.
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10/27/2008  11:42 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by knicks1248:

IF mide is an offensive coach, when it all come down to it, why would he go with PE .

Maybe you forgot (so soon) the horrific shooting that has occured in some of the preseason games like going 1-21 from DT or 4-36 from DT. Rob is a dead eye shooter when open. PE even though I was hoping they kept him ,I fully understand why the didn't

roberson's legacy will go down with ex-knick greats such as anthony bowie, greg grant and corey gaines...

Roberson isn't even the next Scottie Brooks.

SCOTTIE BROOKS!
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10/27/2008  11:55 PM
Why do ppl fail to realize that Patrick Ewing Jr. sucks? He is 23 with very little skills. He is not going to get much better. Just because his last name is Ewing does not mean he will play close to his father's level. In waiving PEJ, we save money and when Marbury and Malik expire he can come back to the squad, hopefully with improved jumpshot and handle. The problem with PEJ is his father taught him how to play good low post defense. Only downside is he is 6'6 and other than defense and athleticism he brings nothing to the table. Balkman was a better prospect than Ewing. However if PEJ was 6'10 or taller he would be a lottery pick.
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10/28/2008  12:00 AM
Roberson sucks too... at least the fans wanna root for a kid w/that Ewing name... what does Roberson have to offer this franchise? he's playing behind 4 other G's who are all healthy... at least Ewing Jr. woulda gave us some depth at the 3 spot w/the injuries to Gallo & Fishlips... an occasional dunk to get the fans up outta their chairs is reason enough to keep him on the roster over some guy who won't likely see any playing time at all all year long.
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10/28/2008  12:22 AM
Posted by TMS:

Roberson sucks too... at least the fans wanna root for a kid w/that Ewing name... what does Roberson have to offer this franchise? he's playing behind 4 other G's who are all healthy... at least Ewing Jr. woulda gave us some depth at the 3 spot w/the injuries to Gallo & Fishlips... an occasional dunk to get the fans up outta their chairs is reason enough to keep him on the roster over some guy who won't likely see any playing time at all all year long.

Simply put Roberson is better than Ewing. Its not even close. If a guard goes down, Roberson can come in and be somewhat valuable. What is Ewing going to do? Besides his dunks and that miracle 3, what can he provide in a offensive system that requires shooters? Nothing. What is Ewing going to do when Gallinari and Jeffries come back. Nothing. I know Roberson wasnt that good in the preseason but neither was Crawford. I think it is safe to say that Crawford is a better player than he displayed in the preseason. PEJ can go to Reno and work on his game the whole yr. If he comes back as a Chandleresque player next yr then he will be a Knick again. You guys seem to forget it's not about what is on the back of the jersey but what is on the front. Let's do whats best for the team.
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10/28/2008  12:43 AM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by TMS:

Roberson sucks too... at least the fans wanna root for a kid w/that Ewing name... what does Roberson have to offer this franchise? he's playing behind 4 other G's who are all healthy... at least Ewing Jr. woulda gave us some depth at the 3 spot w/the injuries to Gallo & Fishlips... an occasional dunk to get the fans up outta their chairs is reason enough to keep him on the roster over some guy who won't likely see any playing time at all all year long.

Simply put Roberson is better than Ewing. Its not even close.

based on what?
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10/28/2008  12:56 AM
I pretty sure both Walsh and D'Antoni know they screwed up with Roberson once they saw that Collins was better than him. Saving face is what really got Ewing cut today. Like Duhon said the most surprising Knick to him has been Collins because he didn't know that he could play.
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10/28/2008  1:34 AM
Ok, well this stinks. This is definately a mistake by Walsh. Its not about Roberson vs Jr. Its about not buying out JJ even tho we still have to pay him no matter what. NO MATTER WHAT. the 15th man is not gonna get any minutes with MDA. Can you get anything other than on the court contributions from the 15th man? No if we are talking JJ or Roberson, but Jr could have contributed. TO THE FANS ! I mean come on ! And with H20 teaching the guys how to shoot i'd be surprised if Jr didn't develop a shot eventually. Who do u think H20 would put that extra effort to teach to shoot ? out of all the players/player's sons ? the answer is right there.


Oh and Donnie you don't do buyouts? STFU u fool, you'll pay the money anyway. . .and JJ is not gonna contribute anyway. Worst move i have ever seen any1 make, worse than any of Isiah's moves because at least Isiah is a known tard now, at least donnie was supposed to be smart. The reason why i say this is because the right decision is right there, its obvious. So damn obvious
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10/28/2008  7:10 AM
I can see that Mardy will bring some good defense to the team that Junior would have brought but there really is something to be said for having a fan favorite on the bench. He can D it up and is an intelligent player. His shooting was not good but not terrible. Room for improvement.

The point that many are making and I tend to agree with is why not just cut Big Snacks? Yeah, he helps the practice squad prepare for playing big men. That should be Eddy's job. Jerome hasn't played in how long and he is suddenly going to make a difference and on a running team? They must be working on a medical exception or buyout, cause he has no place here.
In that case, maybe the organization will make right and bring Jr. back. Also, Jerome's contract can't really be used in any way for 2010. No team is going to want him in any trade and we clearly won't take back a longer contract. (The 2010 class is great, his expiring that year is essentially meaningless, but perhaps it could be used in some way. e.g. Trade him and another player (Lee, etc.) for a star, instead of that team getting nothing in return.)

Anyway, in closing, it would have been nice to see Jr develop over the next few years and see if he became anything. Perfect 15th man, not making 6 million a year.

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10/28/2008  7:32 AM
I know Roberson wasnt that good in the preseason but neither was Crawford. I think it is safe to say that Crawford is a better player than he displayed in the preseason.

So since Crawford is better than he showed in preseason Roberson is too? What the hell kind of reasoning is that?

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10/28/2008  9:13 AM
Posted by oohah:
I know Roberson wasnt that good in the preseason but neither was Crawford. I think it is safe to say that Crawford is a better player than he displayed in the preseason.

So since Crawford is better than he showed in preseason Roberson is too? What the hell kind of reasoning is that?

oohah

eheheheh

Actually I think it was a good decision to keep Roberson. I do trust the coaching staff to see talent (not the existing bloated lazy players already on the roster, but new "unbloated" ones ) If they say he can shoot, I trust that. In certain close game situations it is nice to have someone who can shoot put in there.

Likewise, I still would have liked to have Ewing JR for those defensive situations.

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10/28/2008  11:16 AM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

If they say he can shoot, I trust that. In certain close game situations it is nice to have someone who can shoot put in there.


Earthmansurfer

Nate Robinson, or maybe gallo, hell even acrwford or Duhon, should be shooting in game ending situations light-years before Roberson.

Roberson better be a hell of a lot better than he looked even in summer league!

oohah



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10/28/2008  11:29 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

If they say he can shoot, I trust that. In certain close game situations it is nice to have someone who can shoot put in there.


Earthmansurfer

Nate Robinson, or maybe gallo, hell even acrwford or Duhon, should be shooting in game ending situations light-years before Roberson.

Roberson better be a hell of a lot better than he looked even in summer league!

oohah

He isnt, this is a financial cheap ass move by Dolan. Fuck the Knicks
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10/28/2008  11:59 AM
This reminds me of the time the Knicks cut Demetris Nichols about a year ago. People were upset because we lost a great talent who happened to be picked in the second round. I rather we kept Ewing than Roberson, but neither of them will ever be that good.
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10/28/2008  2:39 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

If they say he can shoot, I trust that. In certain close game situations it is nice to have someone who can shoot put in there.


Earthmansurfer

Nate Robinson, or maybe gallo, hell even acrwford or Duhon, should be shooting in game ending situations light-years before Roberson.

Roberson better be a hell of a lot better than he looked even in summer league!

oohah

I wasn't clear. What I'm saying is that at the end of the game or in a close game situation they are going to put guys out there who can shoot. You are correct, first it goes to Nate, Gallo, etc but then... Roberson. I'm not saying I like having him. I'm just saying he probably is a good shooter. I'd rather have Ewing as a 15th man, Roberson as 14th and James at home.

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10/28/2008  2:57 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:



I wasn't clear. What I'm saying is that at the end of the game or in a close game situation they are going to put guys out there who can shoot. You are correct, first it goes to Nate, Gallo, etc but then... Roberson. I'm not saying I like having him. I'm just saying he probably is a good shooter. I'd rather have Ewing as a 15th man, Roberson as 14th and James at home.

EMS

Jerome James doesn't factor into the equation for me because I knew they weren't cutting him and truthfully, I think his expiring is in the future plans and probably has more value than Roberson or Ewing.

However, I did understand your point and here is what I am saying: At the end of a game, Roberson is not taking any big shots. He is not on the floor. His use is for blowouts. I'd rather see baby ewing cramming it than Roberson chucking it when I watch me some blowout!


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10/28/2008  3:55 PM
Posted by oohah:

Jerome James doesn't factor into the equation for me because I knew they weren't cutting him and truthfully, I think his expiring is in the future plans and probably has more value than Roberson or Ewing.

i have trouble seeing a use for his expiring contract. if we're trying to get under the cap by 2010, his contract is ideal as is. what kind of future plans are you expecting?
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