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8/30/2008  9:44 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
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Some beer would help too.

Hoegaarden or Heineken .... tough choice.

I likes me some Heinies, but I loves me dem Hoes.

Hoegaarden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heineken

LOL. I am drinking a hoegaarden right now.. LOL.. I love Hoegaarden, but try blue moon and Allagash... both are great wheat beers also...

mmm Allagash is one of the best ever. But Dreamweaver (thought it might just be in the northeast) is my new favorite wheat beer.
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8/30/2008  10:52 AM
This is a silly trade. It's just being done to get the fans excited. What would be even worse is if the guy makes the team just because of his name.
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8/30/2008  12:44 PM
Maybe we can draft Anthony Mason Jr. in next years draft with a 2nd round pick.
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8/30/2008  12:52 PM
Posted by Ira:

This is a silly trade. It's just being done to get the fans excited. What would be even worse is if the guy makes the team just because of his name.

I think you need to take a deeper look at this guy. He's not some scrub. He has a chance to be a Bruce Bowen type defender in the NBA. All he needs to do is work hard on developing a shot, which he's at least further along than Balkman was/is at this point. Like Bowen it may take him a while to develop his shot but if he does that will make him an important role player.

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2008/08/30/scouting-report-patrick-ewing-jr/

Strengths

Perimeter length and athleticism could make him a standout NBA defender almost right away. He can guard the 1-2-3 position but he is a perfectly suited Small Forward who can contest most all shots. He is an outstanding weak side defender and gets a ton of blocks reading plays going to the basket in help situations. Protects his teammates very well defensivey. Offensively, he is very raw but he has been taught that an east to west pass is far more important to offensive structure than a forced shot. So he’s not a liabilty, he has the ability to finish very well for a small forward in transition and he can create some off the dribble. Ewing seemed to work hard on getting a higher release point on his jump shot from Jr-to Sr. year as I noticed better form and rotation in his last year.
Weaknesses

Offensively he’s not a one-on-one threat at this point, but can create some off the dribble. He’s simply not a breakdown Isolation player. He does not handle well nor is he an inside out, spot shooter. He has a solid skill set, but his defense is ions better than his offense.As it stands his ceiling is defensive specialist type on the perimeter at best, if he can’t improve offensiively he’ll be limited to role player minutes.

Overall

The kid would be an NBA player if his name were “John Johnson” but having to deal with the expectations of being a hall-of-famers son has to be difficult. That said it’s hard to imagine anyone doing it better than this kid He’s got the potential to have a long career as a defender, but he has to show that he can stay on the floor offensively. If he can gain any kid of perimeter game or a pick and pop jumper or slash, he should have a nice NBA career. Should he not develop one, like all 2nd rounders, he could be out of the league in 2 years.
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8/30/2008  1:19 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Ewing is exactly like his father. He's a maniac. He plays defense and he is an awesome athlete. He could do damage at the dunk contest if he was invited.

He's good and I'm seriously excited about having him here.

I hope your right about his defense and athletic ability, even though that could very depending on what kind of ability it is. I'm not excited about this move, but have no choice to be open to it. I hope your right.
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8/30/2008  1:24 PM
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Posted by oohah:

Will this end the Ewing curse?

What about all the talk about the Knicks not hiring Ewing because of bad blood? Was it bullshyt?

oohah

If anything can end the Ewing curse, this should be close. Perhaps we could have signed the children of Mugsy Bogues, Luc Longley, Travis Knight, Vernon Maxwell, Vladmir Stepania and Lazaro Borell and two first round draft picks and two second round draft picks and traded them for Ewing Jr. and Dudley Jr. ... that would "undo the curse".

MInd explaining to me 'WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE EWING CURSE'?!
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8/30/2008  1:36 PM
MInd explaining to me 'WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE EWING CURSE'?!

I didn't realize you just started watching the Knicks when Larry Brown was hired, so I'll explain it to you:

The Knicks unceremoniously traded Ewing to Seattle for aging injured players with albatross contracts, which has become a pattern that has repeated itself leaving us with a progressively more terrible team with huge hole at center. In addition, the Knicks' luck has gone out the window.

A.K.A. "The Curse of Ewing".

The Knicks also forsook the opportunity to break "The Curse of Mark Jackson", where the Knicks traded away one of the best passers of all time and since then have not had a PG who can pass the rock.


oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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8/30/2008  1:50 PM
Posted by oohah:
MInd explaining to me 'WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE EWING CURSE'?!

I didn't realize you just started watching the Knicks when Larry Brown was hired, so I'll explain it to you:

The Knicks unceremoniously traded Ewing to Seattle for aging injured players with albatross contracts, which has become a pattern that has repeated itself leaving us with a progressively more terrible team with huge hole at center. In addition, the Knicks' luck has gone out the window.

A.K.A. "The Curse of Ewing".

The Knicks also forsook the opportunity to break "The Curse of Mark Jackson", where the Knicks traded away one of the best passers of all time and since then have not had a PG who can pass the rock.


oohah

I been following the Knicks almost to their last championship years. Ewing Sr. was already going down hill. Would you have preferred we kept him around another five years? There is no curse here and Jackson? Stop piling onto the pile of crap we have already.

And it wasn't luck that did us in. It was stupidity. With Checkettes out of the picture, dolan brings in bone head Layden and then isiah 'the destruction' thomas to make some very, very, very ,very bad deals that we 'in fact' still live with to this day.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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8/30/2008  2:43 PM
I find it strange as heck that anyone would not be happy about adding a young athletic STUD defensive player to a team that everyone says is deficient on defense!!!!! What the heck is wrong with you people? isn't this the kind of move that we need to make to add young defenders to the team?

Now this is not just a switch of Balk for Ewing, since by most accounts Balk was a bit of an airhead and may not have had the BB IQ to handle this system. Ewing is not talked about that way. He's not known to be just an out of control athletic freak. From what i've heard he's a heady player in addition to being an athletic freak. We need smart players and even more so defensive minded players. If this guy improves his shooting, which is already better than Balkman's, then we have a really good player for our bench.
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8/30/2008  3:08 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I find it strange as heck that anyone would not be happy about adding a young athletic STUD defensive player to a team that everyone says is deficient on defense!!!!! What the heck is wrong with you people? isn't this the kind of move that we need to make to add young defenders to the team?

Now this is not just a switch of Balk for Ewing, since by most accounts Balk was a bit of an airhead and may not have had the BB IQ to handle this system. Ewing is not talked about that way. He's not known to be just an out of control athletic freak. From what i've heard he's a heady player in addition to being an athletic freak. We need smart players and even more so defensive minded players. If this guy improves his shooting, which is already better than Balkman's, then we have a really good player for our bench.

I agree. We got the guy that Donnie was going after anyway and we got him for nothing. When you have a glut on the roster this is the kind of pickup you want (doesn't need minutes right away, offensively a developmental player but D is here and now), not to mention, perhaps more importantly, we need a "glue" type player. Kid is a heady player.

Some people will always be pessimists and others optimists. I'm just trying to see this for what it is and it seems like a gift. Free and Clear. I'm excited we have another "fan favorite" on our hands after Balkman was traded. It will be fun watching him develop. I have a feeling that he will develop a jumper, out sheer work and dedication. It's in his blood.

Hey guys, it's funny how the universe works regarding the Weis and Artest connection here.

It may me more of a qualitative improvement than quantitative (stats) one.

EMS
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8/30/2008  3:35 PM
It's a good move, but I don't think many are expecting a lot from Ewing Jr. Ultimately, anything we get will be a bonus. Hope it works out for him.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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8/30/2008  4:25 PM
Here's some stats on the guy. I don't watch much college ball, so I'll have to take people's word about his defense. But someone said he blocks a lot of shots. It doesn't show in his numbers. He's at best an ok rebounder and passer and doesn't score much. Basically, it seems to me that we took him because he's Ewing's kid and the fans would like it.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19298&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnbadraft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fplayerId%3d19298
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8/30/2008  4:38 PM
Ira- he was a role player/ hustle guy. Nothing he does is gonna be too eyepopping, but he's a high character player who gives a good effort. I don't think he's more talented that Balkman, but he has a better attitude, which will certainly work in his favor.
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8/30/2008  6:43 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by nixluva:

I find it strange as heck that anyone would not be happy about adding a young athletic STUD defensive player to a team that everyone says is deficient on defense!!!!! What the heck is wrong with you people? isn't this the kind of move that we need to make to add young defenders to the team?

Now this is not just a switch of Balk for Ewing, since by most accounts Balk was a bit of an airhead and may not have had the BB IQ to handle this system. Ewing is not talked about that way. He's not known to be just an out of control athletic freak. From what i've heard he's a heady player in addition to being an athletic freak. We need smart players and even more so defensive minded players. If this guy improves his shooting, which is already better than Balkman's, then we have a really good player for our bench.

I agree. We got the guy that Donnie was going after anyway and we got him for nothing. When you have a glut on the roster this is the kind of pickup you want (doesn't need minutes right away, offensively a developmental player but D is here and now), not to mention, perhaps more importantly, we need a "glue" type player. Kid is a heady player.

Some people will always be pessimists and others optimists. I'm just trying to see this for what it is and it seems like a gift. Free and Clear. I'm excited we have another "fan favorite" on our hands after Balkman was traded. It will be fun watching him develop. I have a feeling that he will develop a jumper, out sheer work and dedication. It's in his blood.

Hey guys, it's funny how the universe works regarding the Weis and Artest connection here.

It may me more of a qualitative improvement than quantitative (stats) one.

EMS

That's not what's in question. It's the fact that his name is Ewing. Is that why they picked him up or is he really as good as some of you are making him out to be? And if so, why didn't anyone else go pick him up? He better be gold, otherwise I'm gonna be all over this one.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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8/30/2008  6:45 PM
Posted by Ira:

Here's some stats on the guy. I don't watch much college ball, so I'll have to take people's word about his defense. But someone said he blocks a lot of shots. It doesn't show in his numbers. He's at best an ok rebounder and passer and doesn't score much. Basically, it seems to me that we took him because he's Ewing's kid and the fans would like it.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19298&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnbadraft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fplayerId%3d19298

That's exactly what I'm getting at and I don't like moves like that. He still has to prove he belongs, because we now have 16 guys on the team. If someone goes and he stays on the roster, it will be someone who is useless and makes too much money, but more than likely, it won't be one of the big money guys.
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8/30/2008  6:48 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Ira- he was a role player/ hustle guy. Nothing he does is gonna be too eyepopping, but he's a high character player who gives a good effort. I don't think he's more talented that Balkman, but he has a better attitude, which will certainly work in his favor.

Hustle guy, role player, not eye-popping, high character player, with good effort and you don't think he's more talented than Balkman? How's that supposed to help us?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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8/30/2008  7:54 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by nixluva:

I find it strange as heck that anyone would not be happy about adding a young athletic STUD defensive player to a team that everyone says is deficient on defense!!!!! What the heck is wrong with you people? isn't this the kind of move that we need to make to add young defenders to the team?

Now this is not just a switch of Balk for Ewing, since by most accounts Balk was a bit of an airhead and may not have had the BB IQ to handle this system. Ewing is not talked about that way. He's not known to be just an out of control athletic freak. From what i've heard he's a heady player in addition to being an athletic freak. We need smart players and even more so defensive minded players. If this guy improves his shooting, which is already better than Balkman's, then we have a really good player for our bench.

I agree. We got the guy that Donnie was going after anyway and we got him for nothing. When you have a glut on the roster this is the kind of pickup you want (doesn't need minutes right away, offensively a developmental player but D is here and now), not to mention, perhaps more importantly, we need a "glue" type player. Kid is a heady player.

Some people will always be pessimists and others optimists. I'm just trying to see this for what it is and it seems like a gift. Free and Clear. I'm excited we have another "fan favorite" on our hands after Balkman was traded. It will be fun watching him develop. I have a feeling that he will develop a jumper, out sheer work and dedication. It's in his blood.

Hey guys, it's funny how the universe works regarding the Weis and Artest connection here.

It may me more of a qualitative improvement than quantitative (stats) one.

EMS

That's not what's in question. It's the fact that his name is Ewing. Is that why they picked him up or is he really as good as some of you are making him out to be? And if so, why didn't anyone else go pick him up? He better be gold, otherwise I'm gonna be all over this one.

Walsh got him for Weiss. Frederick Weiss!! What is not to like?
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8/30/2008  8:12 PM
NYKBocker, he's coming because of his name, not because of his hustle. That's what I don't like about it. Personnel decisions should always be about winning. That sets the right tone.
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8/30/2008  10:10 PM
I been following the Knicks almost to their last championship years. Ewing Sr. was already going down hill. Would you have preferred we kept him around another five years?

I understand that you may have checked the score but have you really been watching?

So let me get this straight: The Knicks only had 2 options: Keep Ewing around for another 5 years, or trade him for Vin Baker and Glen Rice who were breaking down and had horrible contracts? Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense! Classic 4949!

Let me present you with a couple of other options the Knicks had: a) Let Ewing walk a year later and let his 18 million dollar contract come off the cap. b)Wait until his contract was in its last year 1 year later so the expiring would have been huge (18,000,000), and trade him for an actual good player or draft picks.

But you're right 4949, the best option was to trade Ewing for Rice and Baker. Right on as usual!

See the real "Ewing Curse" is guys who think that trades like the Ewing trade were the right thing to do.

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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8/30/2008  11:36 PM
Posted by Ira:

NYKBocker, he's coming because of his name, not because of his hustle. That's what I don't like about it. Personnel decisions should always be about winning. That sets the right tone.

How do you know that he is being brought in because of his name? Did Walsh tell you this? The fact is that we got an extra player for Frederick Weiss. An asset long forgotten, if you can even call it an asset. This is a low risk feel good story. Also, Walsh said that he was trying to get a 2nd rounder to pick up junior. You calling him a liar? Worse case, it does not pan out and we lose the rights for the French Fry.
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