Posted by franco12:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Bippity10:

Take people at their word. If they vote for Obama assume they did for his policies and the same goes for McCain.

I don't believe that everyone that votes for McCain is a racist (though it is astounding that Repugs are still able to get votes) but it is also very naive to believe that racism will play apart of this election.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 08-22-2008 1:34 PM]

Republicans at this moment in time, make me sick as they do you. But remember there are many that are doing extremely well under republicans. Many business owners prefer republicans because of their tax policies. I'm a business owner and this is the one area I think is handled a lot better by Republicans. There are other sectors that may prefer other policies. That's the beauty of our country is that we all can have a varied opinion of what is good for us. And no, people aren't stupid if they vote for their own interests(I know you aren't saying this but many have), this is natural. Those "evil business owners" that provide jobs for all of us have every bit of a right to vote Republican as the middle class and poor folk have to vote Democratic. Hopefully the best president wins regardless of party.

The solution to all our problems is to do away with the 2 party system.

You've also got to realize that there are two kinds of republicans- GW & Karl Rove's Republicans vs. your traditional republican.

One was fiscally conservative- the other (GW's brand) has spent as much money as any Democrat, just on their own pet projects (IRAQ et al)

Some Democrats have gotten into the fiscal conservative area - such as Bill Clinton.

The reality is whoever is elected is going to have one hell of a time having to confront a lot of problems (Debt, Energy, Iraq, China & Russia).

The solution to all our problems is to do away with the 2 party system.

Posted by playa2:

This whole election yr could easily be a hoax and the election canceled in some sort of disaster takes place before the election.

Something like an september or october suprise.

Bush would rule with an iron fist and guys like me would be his target to squash

Posted by Elite:

this is a little depressing.......... I sincerely thought the only people in america not voting for Obama were racist.

Posted by Markji:

Posted by oohah:

The solution to all our problems is to do away with the 2 party system.

You are entirely correct.

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I will add to that. Everybody here should re-read "1984" then take a look at our country and the world in general. Damn near prophetic.
oohah

George Washington, in his farewell address, cautioned about "parties" dividing the gov't and the people. No one listened to him and now we have the 2 party system where each party "opposes" the other party- spending hundreds of millions of dollars to oppose, rather than trying to work together to build our country.

(George Washington) warns against the party system. "It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration....agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one....against another....it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption...thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another."

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/farewell/


[Edited by - markji on 08-22-2008 5:00 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by markvmc:

If he does take her, he'll definitely get blown out.

Exactly! She had people quiting her campaign left and right. They ran out of money etc. She mismanaged that campaign so much so until now she is getting help from Barack Obama. Aren't those the same dollars she spent smearing him? lol Funny. Some people are still pretty soar about her not being the nominee. But if she ran the country (budget and all) the way she ran her campaign.......

She started her campaign off arrogantly and took a poor strategic route like Obama is doing now. I've come to learn something in my time--that numbers are important. The bottom line whether you include Michigan or not you are talking about a standoff that could go either way in terms of the nearly 36mm votes. Why would Obama turn his back on the nearly 18mm Hillary voters including a large portion of females and battle ground states that he will have problems with? No other candiate is even REMOTELT close to Hillary--if they were they WOULDVE been in the race--it's not a close second. You put this team together and it's overwhelming--if not you may be pssing off MILLIONS of democratic voters who may not vote or vote for Mccain in spite. Not a good strategy--Hillary is popular and is she wasnt she would NOT have garanered all of her votes.
Obama is banking on his beginning strategy against Hillary but that ended and he barely held on--now the Republicans watched what she did and he[mcain] is already implementing the same thing. If Obama wants to win he will pick hillary if he doesnt he wont--and come back and see this post 6 months from now

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by Elite:

this is a little depressing.......... I sincerely thought the only people in america not voting for Obama were racist.

Nope. You also have that big group of right-wing fundamentalist Christians whose most important issue is the banning of all abortions and the protection of Israel. This group makes up most of the folks who still support Bush in all the job satisfaction polls that have him at a 25% approval rating. There are also some wealthier folks who fear a tax plan that takes back some of the tax breaks they got from Bush.

I think this simplifies and dismisses the opinions of half our country.

Posted by Bonn1997:

How many time has he opened his mouth and later backtracked on his positions?

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Posted by TheSage:

I was the wild eyed liberal of the 60's long before many of you were gleams in your fathers' eyes. My friends have included (and I mean real friend with whom I went on vacations, family gatherings) etc. men of African American decent who have been members of the both the republican and democratic national committee.

I am a political independent having voted for Johnson, Humphrey, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Dukakis, Bush, Clinton, Kerry and Gore.
Each of these candidates ran on a record not promises of shang ri la without firm positions or any record.

I told Bill Bradley he was off base in his tax plan which, in essence became law in 1984 creating the economic recession of the late 80's early 90's (causing the Bush I downfall) and subsequently caused the economic euphoria of the early 90's as a result of paper profits creating the misconception of the Clinton economic windfall.

If anyone realistically examines the current problems it was the inevitable result of the lax banking policies which were set in motion during the Clinton years (not the Bush years). Don't get me wrong I have never had any admiration for a President who has difficulty with his native tongue but the ability to speak well doesn't translate into a President.

The current economic situation is not the result of the "supply side" economic policy of Senator McCain but merely a cyclical correction which we have every 20 years or so.

If someone promises the world shouldn't he have a policy or record-the Illinois Senator promises but has never delivered. What has he accomplished or done other than convince the far left that he looks good and speaks well.

I tend to take a realistic view-I have practiced law for 30 years, taught economics at the college level for almost a decade, sit on several boards of publicly held companies and quite frankly am more than a bit annoyed being called to task for pointing out the deficiencies of someone who who is not yet ready to sit at the reins of power of the greatest democracy in the history of the world.

I went to a NYC college paying my own expenses, law school at night while supporting a wife and child and don't like the concept of being taxed to pay for people who won't sacrifice to climb the economic ladder. Charity is one thing-handouts are something else. Obama supports the handout concept.

Obama is James Earl Carter with a slightly darker covering. Promises big things, speak sofly. He never delivered and Obama has not shown he deserves the chance to fail to deliver.

To those who want to poke holes in the Mc Cain resume. Tell me what has Obama done? Not what he says he will do without supporting those but what has he actually done?

How many time has he opened his mouth and later backtracked on his positions? The Presidency is not paid internship.

People keep talking about experience but Obama is also clearly the smartest candidate running and he is willing to listen to his advisors. What is experience except life lessons learned that make you smarter. If you already are smart how much experience do you need before you can do the job. I am tired of having an idiot for a president and while I don't think McCain is an idiot, he is going to follow probably 90% of the Bush policies that have been failing for the past 6 years. Obama has some very interesting ideas on tackling America's problems and will have the support of a democratic-controlled Senate.

Bush has spent $872.6 billion (and counting) on the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan and we still have no end in sight for that war. McCain is talking about not leaving Iraqi until we "win the war." He is making campaign promises about pulling out, but if this guy gets elected, we are not leaving Iraqi for at least another 5 years and this country cannot afford the financial drain that war is placing on us. We need to have a smart, well-timed exit strategy in Iraqi, but that needs to be the strategy, not "winning the war." There never should have been any war in the first place and now McCain is determined to "win it." Please stop the insanity.

Also, Carter's problem was that he did not foster the support of Congress when he took office and thus, could not get his policies through congress, which led to his downfall. Obama is a much smarter politician than Carter and is someone who I think will go a long way toward rebuilding America's image in the international community and rebuilding our economy at home. This country is on the brink of a recession and if strong economic policies are not put into place now, things are going to get alot worse before they get better. Obama is who I am voting for because I believe he will change this country for the better and whatever experience he lacks, I have full confidence that he has the intelligence and the willingness to listen needed to reach the best decision for the country as a whole.