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colorfl1
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7/28/2008  6:58 PM
This one really upsets me...
Balkman was good for 10 minutes of chaotic effort play each night. He would change the tempo of intensity the moment he steps on the floor... chasing balls, rebounding and causing defensive havoc... fans love this guy.
How can we just ship him away for nothing (considering that 2nd rounders can often just be bought)?

Very upsetting to the Knick fans that loved the Ewing, Oakly and "X" days of hard nosed team basketball.
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7/28/2008  6:59 PM
I liked Ariza better.

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7/28/2008  7:03 PM
Balkman wasn't even considered a second round pick and was not in many mocks. Here is his

Renaldo Balkman, 6-6 ½, Junior, Small Forward, South Carolina



AP



Joseph Treutlein

Balkman had a very strong camp, jumping into the draft picture and possibly propelling himself into this year’s second round. If he chooses to remain in the draft, he will definitely have a chance at making an NBA roster, even if it’s through summer league.

Balkman, at 6’6 ½ with a long 7’1 wingspan and a wiry build, projects to be a small forward in the NBA. Here at the camp, he made most of his contributions by simply out-hustling the competition with his athleticism and quickness. His greatest contribution was on the glass, both offensive and defensive, where he’d frequently come from nowhere to grab a rebound or score a putback. That’s where Balkman got most of his scores, as he’s a pretty raw player on the perimeter, where he isn’t very accurate with his jump-shot. He did show some nice flashes of a slashing game and some ball-handling in the fullcourt, though. He also threw out a few nice passes in both the half and fullcourt. Defensively, Balkman did a solid job at the camp, but with his physical tools, he has the potential to develop into a very good defender at the swingman positions.

Balkman’s game is not much unlike current NBA player Trevor Ariza’s. They have the same knack for rebounding, the same long and athletic physical attributes, the same energy on the floor, and the same raw perimeter game. Ariza is a better ball-handler than Balkman, and has recently developed a larger semblance of a mid-range jumper, but otherwise, Balkman could play a very similar role for an NBA team that Ariza does, providing energy in the passing lanes and on the break while contributing some slashing and rebounding offensively.


ss write up from 06.

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7/28/2008  7:06 PM
I agree with your assesment. Between Jefferies and Balkman, Jefferies game ,or lack of game, annoys me more. Jefferies only skill seems to be able to bring the ball up court, but can't set up the offense.
Posted by CrashDMB237:

I see no problem with this. He wasn't good enough to play over Chandler and not important enough to develop over Gallo. He had no place on this team, especially since this is a Mike D'Antoni team. He has the worst offensive game on the team, battling Jeffries for that distinction.

Bring back dee-fense
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7/28/2008  7:06 PM
Jeffries would have been gone first but he is untradeable so we traded Balkman.
Thank you, Rick Brunson.
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7/28/2008  7:16 PM
Posted by Hank:

DraftExpress All-Orlando Pre-Draft Camp Teams
June 15, 2006
Solid as a rock would be the best way to describe the best perimeter defender in the 2006 draft. Jones wasn’t the flashiest player in Orlando, but he got the job done for his team every single time he stepped out on the floor by doing all the little things. Using his terrific height (6-7) and length (6-9.5), Jones shut down every single player he was asked to match up against, doing a fantastic job not only staying in front of his man, but also intimidating him enough with his quick hands and excellent strength and hustle to force him to give up the ball with his sheer peskiness. When given the opportunity, Jones looked quite content going down to the post to help out on the glass or even rotate over for a blocked shot on a smaller player.

Being the type of player who serves as the glue for his team rather than the catalyst, it took him some time to adjust to his teammates on both ends of the floor. He was fairly passive offensively to start things off, making some nice passes in transition and not really looking out too much for his own stats, but got better each day until his best performance in the last day of the camp. It was here that Jones showed off the fact that he shouldn’t be considered a strict offensive liability at the NBA level, as he looked for his shot more often, slashed his way to the hoop, scored on a pretty floater and a pull-up jumper, and generally made the right play almost every time he touched the ball, including making some more unselfish passes. Jones’ perimeter shot wasn’t falling for him at this camp as a whole just like it didn’t for the most part during his college career; he’ll have to work on his unorthodox shooting mechanics that never allow him to find a consistent release point. For the role he projects playing in the NBA, though, Jones showed his value here as well as at Portsmouth and likely solidified himself somewhere in the 2nd round. The strengths he brings to the table along with his high character and excellent intangibles will almost certainly land him an NBA job this coming season.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bobby-Jones-351/

Bobby Jones=Raja Bell Lite? I remember being interested in Jones in the draft. He was described as a tough as nails type of guy but he was one dimensional-defense only.

I don't know much about Green other than scouting reports. Taurean is a quick guard. Honestly his scouting report reminds me a little of Nash when HE came out of college. Smallish, quick, a leader, not the best natural skills, but smart. NBAdraft.net actually gave him a composite grade of 88 in their ranking system(they compared him to Ty Lue). Xpress compared him to Jameer Nelson, best case(I don' see where they get that).
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7/28/2008  7:16 PM


I solute you Little Taz.



[Edited by - colorfl1 on 07-28-2008 7:20 PM]
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7/28/2008  7:18 PM
good value for a guy who has been and was destined to be a 12th man

and it was an anti-Isiah diagramed deal to boot
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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7/28/2008  7:19 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6kfq3GERC0
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7/28/2008  7:22 PM
Getting rid of balkman and his cult following dreads was a "COMMUNITY MOVE"
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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7/28/2008  7:33 PM


We traded a potential all-star. LOL Sleepy.
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7/28/2008  7:41 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Hank:

DraftExpress All-Orlando Pre-Draft Camp Teams
June 15, 2006
Solid as a rock would be the best way to describe the best perimeter defender in the 2006 draft. Jones wasn’t the flashiest player in Orlando, but he got the job done for his team every single time he stepped out on the floor by doing all the little things. Using his terrific height (6-7) and length (6-9.5), Jones shut down every single player he was asked to match up against, doing a fantastic job not only staying in front of his man, but also intimidating him enough with his quick hands and excellent strength and hustle to force him to give up the ball with his sheer peskiness. When given the opportunity, Jones looked quite content going down to the post to help out on the glass or even rotate over for a blocked shot on a smaller player.

Being the type of player who serves as the glue for his team rather than the catalyst, it took him some time to adjust to his teammates on both ends of the floor. He was fairly passive offensively to start things off, making some nice passes in transition and not really looking out too much for his own stats, but got better each day until his best performance in the last day of the camp. It was here that Jones showed off the fact that he shouldn’t be considered a strict offensive liability at the NBA level, as he looked for his shot more often, slashed his way to the hoop, scored on a pretty floater and a pull-up jumper, and generally made the right play almost every time he touched the ball, including making some more unselfish passes. Jones’ perimeter shot wasn’t falling for him at this camp as a whole just like it didn’t for the most part during his college career; he’ll have to work on his unorthodox shooting mechanics that never allow him to find a consistent release point. For the role he projects playing in the NBA, though, Jones showed his value here as well as at Portsmouth and likely solidified himself somewhere in the 2nd round. The strengths he brings to the table along with his high character and excellent intangibles will almost certainly land him an NBA job this coming season.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bobby-Jones-351/

Bobby Jones=Raja Bell Lite? I remember being interested in Jones in the draft. He was described as a tough as nails type of guy but he was one dimensional-defense only.

I don't know much about Green other than scouting reports. Taurean is a quick guard. Honestly his scouting report reminds me a little of Nash when HE came out of college. Smallish, quick, a leader, not the best natural skills, but smart. NBAdraft.net actually gave him a composite grade of 88 in their ranking system(they compared him to Ty Lue). Xpress compared him to Jameer Nelson, best case(I don' see where they get that).

Green was a starting PG on a national championship team. I see him as being kind of similar to Duhon.
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7/28/2008  8:10 PM
Posted by playa2:

Getting rid of balkman and his cult following dreads was a "COMMUNITY MOVE"

What are you talking about? We got rid of a white guy. DLee is next.
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7/28/2008  8:17 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Hank:

DraftExpress All-Orlando Pre-Draft Camp Teams
June 15, 2006
Solid as a rock would be the best way to describe the best perimeter defender in the 2006 draft. Jones wasn’t the flashiest player in Orlando, but he got the job done for his team every single time he stepped out on the floor by doing all the little things. Using his terrific height (6-7) and length (6-9.5), Jones shut down every single player he was asked to match up against, doing a fantastic job not only staying in front of his man, but also intimidating him enough with his quick hands and excellent strength and hustle to force him to give up the ball with his sheer peskiness. When given the opportunity, Jones looked quite content going down to the post to help out on the glass or even rotate over for a blocked shot on a smaller player.

Being the type of player who serves as the glue for his team rather than the catalyst, it took him some time to adjust to his teammates on both ends of the floor. He was fairly passive offensively to start things off, making some nice passes in transition and not really looking out too much for his own stats, but got better each day until his best performance in the last day of the camp. It was here that Jones showed off the fact that he shouldn’t be considered a strict offensive liability at the NBA level, as he looked for his shot more often, slashed his way to the hoop, scored on a pretty floater and a pull-up jumper, and generally made the right play almost every time he touched the ball, including making some more unselfish passes. Jones’ perimeter shot wasn’t falling for him at this camp as a whole just like it didn’t for the most part during his college career; he’ll have to work on his unorthodox shooting mechanics that never allow him to find a consistent release point. For the role he projects playing in the NBA, though, Jones showed his value here as well as at Portsmouth and likely solidified himself somewhere in the 2nd round. The strengths he brings to the table along with his high character and excellent intangibles will almost certainly land him an NBA job this coming season.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bobby-Jones-351/

Bobby Jones=Raja Bell Lite? I remember being interested in Jones in the draft. He was described as a tough as nails type of guy but he was one dimensional-defense only.

I don't know much about Green other than scouting reports. Taurean is a quick guard. Honestly his scouting report reminds me a little of Nash when HE came out of college. Smallish, quick, a leader, not the best natural skills, but smart. NBAdraft.net actually gave him a composite grade of 88 in their ranking system(they compared him to Ty Lue). Xpress compared him to Jameer Nelson, best case(I don' see where they get that).

Green was a starting PG on a national championship team. I see him as being kind of similar to Duhon.

I see their playing styles as markedly different. I always saw Duhon as a more deliberate PG, and I would have loved to have him here because I think he would have fit in well with Isiah's double post last grasp at his job. I really don't know if he fits into this system.

Like I said, I only know the scouting reports on Green, but he seems like the anti-Duhon to me.
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7/28/2008  8:34 PM
You guys might want to watch this youtube clip its old but shocking.
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7/28/2008  8:47 PM
Posted by Vmart:

You guys might want to watch this youtube clip its old but shocking.
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Good find Vmart



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7/28/2008  9:06 PM
Posted by Vmart:

You guys might want to watch this youtube clip its old but shocking.
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Soon as I heard Isiah's voice I turned it off
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7/28/2008  9:13 PM
I think this was also very much about Balkman, who I really liked, not showing D'Antoni and Walsh that he wanted to really work to improve his game after SL this year.

After seeming to clash with Isiah last year (I saw it once at MSG, also with Agguire), even if it was for a possibly good reason (he should have played more over Q, Jeffries, etc. since we were so bad), where was the desire to prove his worth in his contract year to the new management and coaching staff?

It's not about partying, because guys who work hard to improve can also party hard, it's about making sure your game improves. If you party hard and your game remains stagnant, the partying sticks out more.

Given the Balkster's offensive limitations, even with his abilities and potential, now with Chandler, Gallo, and Q etc. where is he going to fit in?

I would have liked to see him stay on, but I can understand the decision, even if it doesn't really seem to help us use his contract or see what he can offer.
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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7/28/2008  9:59 PM
The development of Chandler has made Balkman expendable. Chandler is so far ahead of Balkman in terms of basketball skill and acumen. Next one that goes is probably Mardy. I'd rather keep Green.
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7/28/2008  10:40 PM
Posted by Vmart:

The development of Chandler has made Balkman expendable. Chandler is so far ahead of Balkman in terms of basketball skill and acumen. Next one that goes is probably Mardy. I'd rather keep Green.

I don't know. Mardy showed some improvements in his shot in the SL, at least in the games I saw him play. You can't teach height and Mardy is a tall PG that can defend. I really want to see Mardy get a chance to play.

I like the Balkster but Gallo and Chandler are just that much better than him and he needed to be let go for the Knicks ans his sake.
Balkman dealt for 2nd rounder

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