I understand why Donnie didn't give Z-bo away.

Who do you think will be the go to guy in the paint and grab important rebounds outside of Z-BO

Posted by playa2:

I understand why Donnie didn't give Z-bo away.

Who do you think will be the go to guy in the paint and grab important rebounds outside of Z-BO

I'm with you Playa. I'm not a Zach fan, but no need to just give him away at this point. This is a process.

Posted by Panos:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by playa2:

I understand why Donnie didn't give Z-bo away.

Who do you think will be the go to guy in the paint and grab important rebounds outside of Z-BO

I'm with you Playa. I'm not a Zach fan, but no need to just give him away at this point. This is a process.

Come on, Bip! It's freakin addition by subtraction, goddamnit! Did you fail algrebra or something?!
We'd going to subtract/add our way to a championship, if Walsh weren't such a freakin idiot!

I can't tell if you are joking or are just an emotional wreck right now. But I agree that sometimes addition by subtraction is a good thing. I also believe that getting rid of Zach eventually is something we need to do. But unless this guy is causing problems in your locker room there is no need to rush him out of here just because he doesn't play D or shoots too much. That's what championship teams do. Not teams 80 miles away from a title. We need to be patient and wait for the right opportunity to trade the guy. We are in the mess we are in because we constantly deal from weakness instead of strength. It doesn't kill us to try to drive his value up to get better players in the future. If he becomes a problem in the locker room you can cut him 6 months from now and the end result is the same as it is today. In the meantime, maybe he adapts to Dantoni's style well. Who knows. Only Mike can decide the affect of Zach in the locker room.

Unless we want to completely rebuild using only the draft, there is no reason to get rid of talented players who aren't a detriment to the locker room and get nothing in return.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 18-07-2008 1:31 PM]

We would have gotten a 2nd rd pick and 14mil to go after a free agent with or pawned that 14mil into a first rd or multiple first rd picks.

We could have pawned the 14mil TE into Marcus Camby and gotten the Shotblocker rebounder to play along side of Lee, Curry & Gallo. There would have been a ton of options available for us with that 14mil at our exposure.

There is only 1 thing that would be considerd better then that. A lottery pick & cap space which has a very slim chance of happening.

The 14mil TE could have filled any void that ZBO would have left. Plus they might have even added Deandre Jordan in the talks.

Walsh missed the boat on that one, We will see though. Hopefully there is a bigger better move in store.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Panos:

I was joking.


[Edited by - panos on 07-18-2008 1:32 PM]

I figured you were. But there are so many emotional wrecks on this site that I couldn't tell.

I'm past emotional wreck. I'm PTSD. Just numb.

Dumping Zach for nothing would be the ultimate in knee-jerk moves right now. There are two years left until the '10 offseason. No need to panic

It’s really hard to fathom some of you guys actually being Knicks fans and understanding anything about this game. If the deal was there it should have been done. Cap room is the most important thing the Knicks can have and the only way to add an impact player.

You don’t want to give him away for a second rounder? You’re worried about grabbing a key rebound? Who is going to score in the post?

WHO GIVES A FUCK!!!!

We were a lottery team without him, we were a lottery team with him.

We were 5th in the league without him the year before in rebounding and 10th with him. Yeah he has value…..

The mediocrity of this franchise is because of stupid logic. Zach numbers wise was a top 3 power forward the year we got him, and Francis and Frye was all it took to get him. Francis doesn’t play and Frye is a fringe role player. A second round pick was fair and insanely generous for taking his max deal.

We are trying to move Curry and Jefferies you do that by getting them minutes, you can’t do that with Zach, you can’t inflate Lee’s numbers with Zach. So keeping him made no sense. I don’t care what his numbers are.

Celtics, Hawks, Cavs, Magic, Bulls, Bucks, Philly, Pistons, Toronto, etc 9 teams that are better and that’s not counting the Bobcats and the Heat so why not build value, subtract someone that is selfish and doesn’t play a team game and showcase you’re players and get them some time.

Posted by MS:

It’s really hard to fathom some of you guys actually being Knicks fans and understanding anything about this game. If the deal was there it should have been done. Cap room is the most important thing the Knicks can have and the only way to add an impact player.

You don’t want to give him away for a second rounder? You’re worried about grabbing a key rebound? Who is going to score in the post?

WHO GIVES A FUCK!!!!

We were a lottery team without him, we were a lottery team with him.

We were 5th in the league without him the year before in rebounding and 10th with him. Yeah he has value…..

The mediocrity of this franchise is because of stupid logic. Zach numbers wise was a top 3 power forward the year we got him, and Francis and Frye was all it took to get him. Francis doesn’t play and Frye is a fringe role player. A second round pick was fair and insanely generous for taking his max deal.

We are trying to move Curry and Jefferies you do that by getting them minutes, you can’t do that with Zach, you can’t inflate Lee’s numbers with Zach. So keeping him made no sense. I don’t care what his numbers are.

Celtics, Hawks, Cavs, Magic, Bulls, Bucks, Philly, Pistons, Toronto, etc 9 teams that are better and that’s not counting the Bobcats and the Heat so why not build value, subtract someone that is selfish and doesn’t play a team game and showcase you’re players and get them some time.

regardless your whole post is based on the speculation that a Zach deal was offered

I have no love for Zach. As a matter of fact he is one of my least favorite players. But why give up a talented player for nothing when you have 2 years before it really matters. You can always do that in a desperation move later.

from SI.com

I have learned that the Clippers' offer to the Knicks for Zach Randolph last week was much more audacious than first suspected. In addition to Randolph, they wanted the Knicks to send them a first-round pick and $3 million in exchange for Brevin Knight. The Knicks said no.

Shall we delete this thread?

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by playa2:

I understand why Donnie didn't give Z-bo away.

Who do you think will be the go to guy in the paint and grab important rebounds outside of Z-BO

I'm with you Playa. I'm not a Zach fan, but no need to just give him away at this point. This is a process.

i disagree... i think we need to start building a team first mentality here first & foremost & i think players like Marbury & Zach severely hamper Walsh's ability to do that... sometimes u gotta cut away the rotten side of the apple before u can take a bite out of it.