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7/21/2008  12:00 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

It's about time. These were the questions that I raised in the SL thread. Now that he is Knick property, you can't leave this decision in a 19 yr old rookie hand. How in the world do you allow your rookie prospect to leave knowing he is tired as claim but also give permission to him to play in a qualifying event for 2012. With Yao, the Rockets and the NBA had to agree to this as part of the agreement they had with the Chinesse National team. Not the case with Gallinari. The guy should be focus on getting ready for the 08-09 NBA season, buying Q-Rich's house and getting adjusted to States.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 21-07-2008 03:23 AM]


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7/21/2008  12:23 PM
The guy was getting hammerd all game from the first quarter and only got better as the game went on. Thats says a lot right there.

The problem with Gallo at this point is his body isn't developed for the hustle and aggressiveness that he plays with for the NBA. Because of that he is an injury risk at this point for the summer league. If Gallo were to get injured then that means he won't be able to weight lift and add that 15pds of muscle that he needs to play the way he wants to play. It seems to me that the knicks pulled Gallo from the summer league with the thought process of letting him rest & then getting his body ready for the Knicks season.
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7/21/2008  12:32 PM
A team source said the Knicks are considering resting Gallinari the remainder of the summer and request he not play for the Italian national team that gets together in two weeks. The decision could be out of Gallinari's hands as the Italian players are threatening a strike.

I could be reading this wrong. But to me it sounds like the reason why it could be out of Gallo's hands is because the Italian players are threatening a strike. If they go on strike then that means no games are going to be played in Italy. If no games are going to be played in Italy then there is no reason for Gallo to go overseas and he will stay in NY. If they go on strike, he would have no choice but to stay in NY.
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7/21/2008  1:49 PM
A European source said Gallinari had various hamstring and knee problems in Italy, but a Knicks source said that was "growing pains." [/b]

This Knicks source better be frikin right.



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7/21/2008  4:00 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by martin:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Bippity10:

Summer league is pointless. If he is hurt and he is your future there is no need to play him. The media is turning Summer League into this all important, essential being, when in reality it really isnt' that important.


The toughness factor bip wasn't brought up in you're disecting of "the gall" and his weaknesses.

Euro's aren't know to be physical players in the NBA , so will "the gall" be potentially injury prone once he laces them up against NBA STUDS?

One drive to the basket and percaussionary measures are needed. WOW

None of us have any idea the extent of the injury or the risk or further injury. Because of this lack of knowledge I choose not to pass judgement on his toughness or lack thereof. You choose otherwise based on no information.

If management decides that he can risk further injury and holds him out then I give them the benefit of the doubt. That's just what I do. I prefer not to have my 1st round pick suffer an injury that nags him year long just so you and I can watch him in a league that has been meaningless for decades.

KNICKS HAVE GALLINARI DOUBTS
By MARC BERMAN
Last updated: 7:09 am
July 21, 2008
Posted: 4:05 am
July 21, 2008

The Knicks ended the Las Vegas summer-league yesterday the way they came in - unsure if 19-year-old rookie Danilo Gallinari will contribute this season.

After suffering a back injury in Monday's opener against Cleveland, the Italian Stallion missed the final four games, including yesterday's 111-91 loss to Minnesota in the finale at UNLV's Cox Pavilion to finish 2-3.

A team source said the Knicks are considering resting Gallinari the remainder of the summer and request he not play for the Italian national team that gets together in two weeks. The decision could be out of Gallinari's hands as the Italian players are threatening a strike.

In his lone game, Gallinari had an impressive seven minutes in the second half when he scored 14 points after going scoreless in the first 2½ quarters.

Gallinari's summer league raises questions on whether he'll be durable enough to withstand the NBA's physical pounding, at 6-10, 227, as a rookie. A European source said Gallinari had various hamstring and knee problems in Italy, but a Knicks source said that was "growing pains."

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I dunno, seem to me we might have more drama to the knicks organization, even with Isiah removed from decision making.

you base you opinion on Berman fodder?


Martin this is drama:

A team source said the Knicks are considering resting Gallinari the remainder of the summer and request he not play for the Italian national team that gets together in two weeks. The decision could be out of Gallinari's hands as the Italian players are threatening a strike.

So does this now mean it was a good idea to sit him out of summer league? Or is he still a pansy for not playing? In this thread you have 3 different arguments going and I can't keep up with you. I think you may have lost track of your own argument as well.

1.) he is soft for not playing
2.) He is injury prone
3.) Knicks should have risked playing him.

Answers:

1.) Possibly. Would suck if he is, Can't answer that this early
2.) Possibly. Would suck if he is, can't answer that this early
3.) no

Anything wrong with my answers Playa? Any deep conspiracy thoughts I'm not grasping right now.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 21-07-2008 4:06 PM]
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7/21/2008  4:30 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

A European source said Gallinari had various hamstring and knee problems in Italy, but a Knicks source said that was "growing pains." [/b]

This Knicks source better be frikin right.



[Edited by - playa2 on 21-07-2008 10:01]


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Oh my god, we're talking about Knick doctors arent we? Hate to be reactionary, but I am losing confidence in this pick.

Can we have a re-do?
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7/21/2008  5:04 PM
You guys react to everything. We need some serious blood pressure tests for some of you people.
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7/22/2008  12:12 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

You guys react to everything. We need some serious blood pressure tests for some of you people.

Uh oh. You are a candidate for this year's "Ross Perot 'You People' Award."

But I think you're right. If we're not loading our picks down with expectations, we're running them down in one way or another. I remember the Channing Frye pick. Guys on here had a campaign going on, that he was a "low ceiling" pick, etc.... Of course, they turned out to be right... But the point is, one draft pick, one trade, one new coach, one new GM... That's not gonna do it. It's got to be a whole set of things that change before we ... uh ... "Get back on track".
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7/22/2008  12:20 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:

You guys react to everything. We need some serious blood pressure tests for some of you people.

Uh oh. You are a candidate for this year's "Ross Perot 'You People' Award."

Hey... what do you mean, "you people"?



[Edited by - TMS on 07-21-2008 9:20 PM]
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7/22/2008  5:37 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:

You guys react to everything. We need some serious blood pressure tests for some of you people.

Uh oh. You are a candidate for this year's "Ross Perot 'You People' Award."

But I think you're right. If we're not loading our picks down with expectations, we're running them down in one way or another. I remember the Channing Frye pick. Guys on here had a campaign going on, that he was a "low ceiling" pick, etc.... Of course, they turned out to be right... But the point is, one draft pick, one trade, one new coach, one new GM... That's not gonna do it. It's got to be a whole set of things that change before we ... uh ... "Get back on track".

Yeah, we don't really know what is going on. Conflicting reports. We scouted this guy for the last 3 years or so and have lots of info on him. I think we can pretty reliably say he is NOT injured goods. At the same time the team is not saying anything about the injury, maybe that's cause there isn't much to say.

I wouldn't worry much, let's worry about reality once the season starts. That said, he should not play in Italy next month as the kid's body needs a rest. It will put him in jeopardy for our regular season...

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7/22/2008  7:44 AM
And by "you people" I mean "mall walkers". I hate mall walkers
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7/22/2008  7:50 AM
WE have people that take the extremes on everything, even if they have no evidence(or only tabloid reports that site secret sources) to support their opinion. They do this so that when they are correct they can strut around for 5 minutes telling everyone how smart they are. Hoping everyone else forgets the other 50 times they were as wrong as everyone else. Their is evidence that Gallinari will be a bust of all busts. There is evidence that he will be a good player. You can take whatever approach you want. You can claim him to be a star, you can claim him to be a bumb or you can take a wait and see approach as well. But the fact of the matter is no matter what approach you take, you aren't fooling anyone. You are guessing just like everyone else.
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7/22/2008  10:33 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

WE have people that take the extremes on everything, even if they have no evidence(or only tabloid reports that site secret sources) to support their opinion. They do this so that when they are correct they can strut around for 5 minutes telling everyone how smart they are.

5 minutes? Try 5 years.
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7/22/2008  11:45 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

WE have people that take the extremes on everything, even if they have no evidence(or only tabloid reports that site secret sources) to support their opinion. They do this so that when they are correct they can strut around for 5 minutes telling everyone how smart they are. Hoping everyone else forgets the other 50 times they were as wrong as everyone else. Their is evidence that Gallinari will be a bust of all busts. There is evidence that he will be a good player. You can take whatever approach you want. You can claim him to be a star, you can claim him to be a bumb or you can take a wait and see approach as well. But the fact of the matter is no matter what approach you take, you aren't fooling anyone. You are guessing just like everyone else.

I don't think in this case its about being right in order to brag about it. Though they def. will if they are proven right even if its bad for the knicks. People don't support the pick and may not even support the new coach we have. So they are upset right now. They then go on to work angles and double standards on why the pick will fail. When one angle gets proven wrong or runs out of steam they move on to the next angle.
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7/22/2008  12:16 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bippity10:

WE have people that take the extremes on everything, even if they have no evidence(or only tabloid reports that site secret sources) to support their opinion. They do this so that when they are correct they can strut around for 5 minutes telling everyone how smart they are. Hoping everyone else forgets the other 50 times they were as wrong as everyone else. Their is evidence that Gallinari will be a bust of all busts. There is evidence that he will be a good player. You can take whatever approach you want. You can claim him to be a star, you can claim him to be a bumb or you can take a wait and see approach as well. But the fact of the matter is no matter what approach you take, you aren't fooling anyone. You are guessing just like everyone else.

I don't think in this case its about being right in order to brag about it. Though they def. will if they are proven right even if its bad for the knicks. People don't support the pick and may not even support the new coach we have. So they are upset right now. They then go on to work angles and double standards on why the pick will fail. When one angle gets proven wrong or runs out of steam they move on to the next angle.

I agree with you. I have no problem with someone who hates the pick. I have no problem with people loving the pick. But back your stuff up with more than youtube highlights and tabloid articles where "sources" and "unnamed scouts" rule the world.

Tabloid reporting used to be the domain of women and hollywood. Now it's slowly creeping it's way into my sportsworld and I am disgusted. Disgusted!!! Puh!!! I'm going to throw up now. There!!! I threw up!!! Are you people happy!
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7/22/2008  12:18 PM
Posted by Bippity10:


I agree with you. I have no problem with someone who hates the pick. I have no problem with people loving the pick. But back your stuff up with more than youtube highlights and tabloid articles where "sources" and "unnamed scouts" rule the world.

Tabloid reporting used to be the domain of women and hollywood. Now it's slowly creeping it's way into my sportsworld and I am disgusted. Disgusted!!! Puh!!! I'm going to throw up now. There!!! I threw up!!! Are you people happy!

LOL!

I agree with you though Bip, it was just Hollywood crap and now it's creeping into the sportsworld e.g, just watch Sportscenter and count how many times you hear Brett Favre's name. It's stupid.
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7/22/2008  12:28 PM
Well, with Arod getting spiritual with Madonna, what do you expect?
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7/22/2008  12:29 PM
I love the hollywood tabloid stuff. Last summer was awesome, with the sexual harassment trial, Marbury's trysts with interns in his truck.....

[Edited by - basketballjones on 07-22-2008 12:56]
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7/22/2008  12:34 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bippity10:

WE have people that take the extremes on everything, even if they have no evidence(or only tabloid reports that site secret sources) to support their opinion. They do this so that when they are correct they can strut around for 5 minutes telling everyone how smart they are. Hoping everyone else forgets the other 50 times they were as wrong as everyone else. Their is evidence that Gallinari will be a bust of all busts. There is evidence that he will be a good player. You can take whatever approach you want. You can claim him to be a star, you can claim him to be a bumb or you can take a wait and see approach as well. But the fact of the matter is no matter what approach you take, you aren't fooling anyone. You are guessing just like everyone else.

I don't think in this case its about being right in order to brag about it. Though they def. will if they are proven right even if its bad for the knicks. People don't support the pick and may not even support the new coach we have. So they are upset right now. They then go on to work angles and double standards on why the pick will fail. When one angle gets proven wrong or runs out of steam they move on to the next angle.

I agree with you. I have no problem with someone who hates the pick. I have no problem with people loving the pick. But back your stuff up with more than youtube highlights and tabloid articles where "sources" and "unnamed scouts" rule the world.

Tabloid reporting used to be the domain of women and hollywood. Now it's slowly creeping it's way into my sportsworld and I am disgusted. Disgusted!!! Puh!!! I'm going to throw up now. There!!! I threw up!!! Are you people happy!

But what if you hate the pick, and want to express your hate for it but can't back up your hate with anything other then youtube highlights and tabloid articles because that all you got?
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7/22/2008  1:05 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I love the hollywood tabloid stuff. Last summer was awesome, with the sexual harassment trial, Marbury's trysts with interns in his truck.....

[Edited by - basketballjones on 07-22-2008 12:56]

Actually that stuff was great. But there are always exceptions to the rule
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