Posted by fishmike:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Another thread pumping this kid up before he's even played a Summer League Game yet alone an actual NBA game.

another waste of cyber space by you. He's a Knick. He gave an entertaining interview. People are behind him because he's got good potential, the pick was well recieved by every major sports publication that follows the NBA draft and after years of suckberry and Isiah we have an outgoing entertaining personality on the team who wants to win. Its really not that complicated. Nobody here is saying he adds 30 wins. Come on out of your moms basement, have a beer, get some fresh air and relax.

Posted by islesfan:

Jesus, doesn't anybody have a sense of humor around here??? It's called sarcasm, I have used it before. A lot actually.

Come on, do you honestly believe that I hope he sucks?

Believing and hoping are two totally different things.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Jesus, doesn't anybody have a sense of humor around here??? It's called sarcasm, I have used it before. A lot actually.

Come on, do you honestly believe that I hope he sucks?

Believing and hoping are two totally different things.

Sometimes it's revealing when no one can detect your sarcasm. I'm sure the same would happen if I sarcastically claimed to be a male model!

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Another thread pumping this kid up before he's even played a Summer League Game yet alone an actual NBA game.

another waste of cyber space by you. He's a Knick. He gave an entertaining interview. People are behind him because he's got good potential, the pick was well recieved by every major sports publication that follows the NBA draft and after years of suckberry and Isiah we have an outgoing entertaining personality on the team who wants to win. Its really not that complicated. Nobody here is saying he adds 30 wins. Come on out of your moms basement, have a beer, get some fresh air and relax.

DITTO!

Ya know we've had nothing to be happy about for so long and here is a guy that gets it. He's not a thug, well spoken, worldly and mature for his age. His pro experience actually is a plus, since he wasn't just playing at some school out in a secluded campus, but in the rough and tumble world of pro sports with tough fan.

To add to that he actually excelled!!! He wasn't playing a bunch of pimple faced kids, but MEN. Even if you don't want to give him any credit for that, you have to acknowledge that he handled himself extremely well and he seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I'm personally pulling for this kid to not only do well, but be a star in NY. How much fun would that be, to actually draft a kid that we can be proud of? He's at least got a chance to do that.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by islesfan:

Jesus, doesn't anybody have a sense of humor around here??? It's called sarcasm, I have used it before. A lot actually.

Come on, do you honestly believe that I hope he sucks?

Believing and hoping are two totally different things.

Alright, you're entitled to your opinion. But if you were hoping for it, then I really was going to feel more sorry for you wasting your time here than the hopeless optimists.

This franchise has turned a lot of their fans jaded. Why am I being singled out?

You said the reason yourself. There is a difference between believing and hoping. A fan may believe his team sucks but will always hope it gets better (even if it has to get worse in the short term to get there). If someone hopes for its failure, I just wonder what they're doing here with the rest of the suckers (myself included) that hope this sh!t franchise can turn their fortunes around.

[Edited by - panos on 07-06-2008 7:00 PM]

So when fans "hoped" that the Knicks would lose games to maximize their draft position, and still do for next year, then what does that make them? Isn't that hoping that players fail?

I didn't know that was your position. But its one thing to hope that the team sucks next year to help set up the future, and another to hope that we just wasted a lottery pick on someone that won't contribute in the future.

No offense, but that's only been my position for years now.

BTW, anyone who was posting during the draft knows how upset I was that they drafted Gallinari. If I was just "wasting my time posting here" and hoping that he would fail, why would I care?

[Edited by - islesfan on 06-07-2008 7:24 PM]

Posted by Panos:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by islesfan:

Jesus, doesn't anybody have a sense of humor around here??? It's called sarcasm, I have used it before. A lot actually.

Come on, do you honestly believe that I hope he sucks?

Believing and hoping are two totally different things.

Alright, you're entitled to your opinion. But if you were hoping for it, then I really was going to feel more sorry for you wasting your time here than the hopeless optimists.

This franchise has turned a lot of their fans jaded. Why am I being singled out?

You said the reason yourself. There is a difference between believing and hoping. A fan may believe his team sucks but will always hope it gets better (even if it has to get worse in the short term to get there). If someone hopes for its failure, I just wonder what they're doing here with the rest of the suckers (myself included) that hope this sh!t franchise can turn their fortunes around.

[Edited by - panos on 07-06-2008 7:00 PM]

So when fans "hoped" that the Knicks would lose games to maximize their draft position, and still do for next year, then what does that make them? Isn't that hoping that players fail?

I didn't know that was your position. But its one thing to hope that the team sucks next year to help set up the future, and another to hope that we just wasted a lottery pick on someone that won't contribute in the future.

No offense, but that's only been my position for years now.

BTW, anyone who was posting during the draft knows how upset I was that they drafted Gallinari. If I was just "wasting my time posting here" and hoping that he would fail, why would I care?

[Edited by - islesfan on 06-07-2008 7:24 PM]

I know you didn't want Gallinari and that you were upset. But as you say there's a difference between believing and hoping he'll suck.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by fishmike:


And no.. the scouting reports dont 'basically' stat what you have said. You have made him out to be some kind of Euro stiff thats got no shot of sticking in the NBA. Scouting reports basically that what he brings to the table makes him a foundation player

NBADraft.Net

"Athleticism and explosiveness are just average" + "Marginal foot speed and a weak body will leave his opponents salivating in excitement to abuse the mismatch" - slow footed

"His legs are stiff which makes his movements seem a bit awkward and it takes away from his quickness" - stiff legged

"Struggles dribbling the ball against physical defenders which hurts even more considering his blow by ability is limited" + "While he has good height, he is strictly a perimeter player as he has minimal back to the basket moves and his weak frame also makes him a non threat in the post" - tweener forward

On DraftExpress, his first 3 weaknesses are:

Quickness - slow footed
Explosiveness - stiff legged
Ability to defend NBA small forwards - tweener forward

I guess Gallinari basically sucks too.

NBADraft.net NBA Comparison: Detlef Schrempf
-Has an awkward 2 step (he is able to alter his speed and change direction once he picks up his dribble) going to the basket, allowing him to get by people and finish around the basket
-hen a defender cuts off his angle to the basket, he has a very effective up & under that he utilizes even out to 15 feet
-Anticipates well and uses his length to disrupt the passing lanes
-Very good athlete. PG skills in a 6-8 forward body (he's 6'10 now)
-Good ball-hawk thanks to his quick hands. Reads the defense well so he's able to receive a lot of fouls and go to the FT line many times per game.
- Plays with intensity and heart

I love that you included draftexpress who list 5 weaknesses and 21 stregnths. Easy to see what kind of player they think he will be

Strengths:

• Size for position
• Productivity at highest level outside NBA at young age
• Maturity
• Versatility
• Fundamentals
• Ability to play multiple positions
• Strength
• Frame
• Intensity
• Winning mentality
• Court vision
• Ability to create own shot
• Ball-handling skills with either hand
• Hesitation moves
• Utilizing screens
• Ability to draw fouls
• Body control
• Pull-up jumper
• Shooting mechanics
• Basketball IQ
• Poise

seems to me the same sites your getting your information from seem to think he's a pretty athletic guy after all. Both those sites also think he's going to be a good NBA player

Begs to question why a thread was started comparing him to Bird instead of this guy, who I mentioned a few posts ago. Vindicated!

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-06-2008 7:11 PM]

Posted by Panos:

btw, isles, I was upset too. But I hope I was wrong in being upset.