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TrueBlue
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7/2/2008  2:33 PM
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so this isn't a done deal?

You gotta love when we make a low budget player our primary target and can't close a deal. So once again we appear to get played except this time Duhon and his agent made us establish his market and are taking it elsewhere to capitalize.

If that's true than thank god. Duhon sucks.

It can work out to be good and then again it may not. What does this say about the perception of our franchise still? We have D-Cups in place, we represent the largest market in the NBA yet no one is beating down our doors unless it's strictly a financial thing. When will players want to come here because they want to be a Knick with no other strings attached? That's why I wasn't all that impressed with Mayo and Bayless saying they wanted to be a Knick. Yeah they mentioned that tradition BS but really it's always about getting paid and having the spotlight on them, having very little to do with THE KNICKS and it's a turn off to me as a fan. Players need to stop using us.

Of course this will change once we start becoming a winning franchise.

The only way a player would want to be a knick no strings attached would be if they were born in NY and humbly nutty like Ron Artest, But its allways about the money.

Lakers have championships and a market yet there aren't guys beating down the door to get in LA for less money either.

If we didn't have the stipulation of only trying to sign Duhon for 2 yrs then he would have signed already.


But I thought players could make up the money in NY with endorsements(even minor ones and having a market exposure to set the foundation for future deals?).

If the player is a star with a big name like Kobe Bryant or Lebron James. A guy like Duhon I don't think so. How much extra money has Jamal Crawford recieved in endorsements playing for NY??

I'm talking about like doing commercials for Car Dealerships, Consumer Products, Magazine Photoshoots, Department Store promos, promoting other Stars Product Lines, etc etc

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-02-2008 1:34 PM]
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7/2/2008  2:44 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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Posted by djsunyc:

so this isn't a done deal?

You gotta love when we make a low budget player our primary target and can't close a deal. So once again we appear to get played except this time Duhon and his agent made us establish his market and are taking it elsewhere to capitalize.

If that's true than thank god. Duhon sucks.

It can work out to be good and then again it may not. What does this say about the perception of our franchise still? We have D-Cups in place, we represent the largest market in the NBA yet no one is beating down our doors unless it's strictly a financial thing. When will players want to come here because they want to be a Knick with no other strings attached? That's why I wasn't all that impressed with Mayo and Bayless saying they wanted to be a Knick. Yeah they mentioned that tradition BS but really it's always about getting paid and having the spotlight on them, having very little to do with THE KNICKS and it's a turn off to me as a fan. Players need to stop using us.

Of course this will change once we start becoming a winning franchise.

What does it say about the perception of our franchise? is it confirmed that we aren't signing Duhon. Even if it is, I wouldn't be surprised. The Knicks are only going to offer potential MLE getters 2 years, which is pretty measley. I wouldn't be surprised if even a player of Duhon's level turned that down. Even Earl Watson got 5 years of the MLE. I don't think it says anything about the perception of the franchise. Players just want money and security.

For example Baron reportedly wanted to be a Knick, but it didn't happen cause we don't have the money. The Knicks are in cheap mode right now so we aren't going to have an easy time attracting FAs. As for players wanting to be a Knick just for tradition, or whatever, players generally aren't like that anymore. Or even if they were, obviously they aren't going to feel that way in light of the Knicks' recent decade of suckitude.

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7/2/2008  2:46 PM
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You gotta love when we make a low budget player our primary target and can't close a deal. So once again we appear to get played except this time Duhon and his agent made us establish his market and are taking it elsewhere to capitalize.

So we make a fiscally responsible offer to a player that fits our needs, and because said player has hesitated, here comes good ol' Trueblue to ridicule the Knicks. Get over yourself.



[Edited by - sebstar on 07-02-2008 2:07 PM]


This should have been one the easier deals to close.

I don't agree with that. The Knicks didn't offer Duhon that great of a contract. If I were him I'd try to see if I could get more money elsewhere too. Frankly, he probably can. The Knicks just can't offer much right now cause their so financially hamstrung.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 07-02-2008 2:47 PM]
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7/2/2008  3:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

we're not 100% sure the knicks made an offer but if they did, i don't blame duhon for checking out his other options. all this really says is that the collateral damage left by isiah is quite extensive.

i mean look at the spurs - they supposedly offered maggette the full MLE but he's still holding out on them.

Yep. All this says to me is that agents run the off-season. Just like any other industry. The agent is trying to get the best deal for his client. That's his legal responsibility. Nothing wrong with trying to drive up the price or play one team off another. That's basic stuff.

The point for the Knicks is not to bite. Say: here's what we're offering. You get a better deal somewhere, go take it.
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7/2/2008  3:38 PM
I and few others said that if they wanted him for 2 years they would have to overpay him. He is probably worth more like $3-$4 mill per year. I agree that it is a good deal for us. He can shot, plays good defense, is a solid citizen, and will be respected in the locker room. He is the anti-Marbury. Now if they will just cut Marbury, this franchise can move forward in a positive direction.
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7/2/2008  3:43 PM
i still think we have a good shot at Duhon. we're offering him playing time and the chance to play with an extremely well regarded coach.

these teams that are reaching out to him may not be ready to put an offer on the table. orlando, for instance, is going to wait out what happens with maggette. boston, too. so, we'll see.

contrary to what a few people have said - there is usually less money on the table as free agency goes on. only a few teams are willing to spend and when those teams dry up the rest of the players are spent fighting over partial MLEs and LLEs. so, duhon might want to insure he gets a healthy portion of the MLE while he still has a team he knows that wants him ready to offer it.

though his agent says he wants to play for a championship contender and i don't think we can help him on that front.
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7/2/2008  3:45 PM
I agree with you crzymdups about the money being available as days go by. I said this the other day.
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7/2/2008  5:02 PM
I'm talking about like doing commercials for Car Dealerships, Consumer Products, Magazine Photoshoots, Department Store promos, promoting other Stars Product Lines, etc etc
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7/3/2008  11:08 AM
Magic expected to offer Chris Duhon $10 million deal
By Tim Povtak and Brian Schmitz / The Orlando Sentinel
Thursday, July 3, 2008 - Added 3h ago


ORLANDO, Fla. - Free-agent point guard Chris Duhon could finalize contract terms with the Orlando Magic by the end of the week after spending Wednesday with coaches, players and General Manager Otis Smith.

Duhon, who played the last four seasons with the Chicago Bulls, is scheduled to return home Thursday morning, where he will decide whether to sign with the Magic, or the New York Knicks. He visited New York on Monday.

"The visit here went really well," said Kevin Bradbury, Duhon’s agent, Wednesday night from his Orlando hotel room. "Chris wants to help a team win a championship. That’s what Orlando is trying to do. That’s different than a team looking to rebuild. He was flattered that a team of this caliber wants him."
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Free agents can begin signing July 9, but they can reach oral agreements earlier.

The Magic were expected to offer Duhon a three-year deal worth close to $10 million. The signing of Duhon would end any pursuit of Clippers guard Corey Maggette.

The Magic were one of several teams that let Maggette know July 1 that they could offer him a contract that started with the middle-class salary cap exception of $5.8 million. Maggette is hoping to receive a larger package.

Duhon would be coming to Orlando as a backup to starting point guard Jameer Nelson, giving the Magic a better defensive presence at the position. It also would end any possibility of re-signing Carlos Arroyo. Although Duhon might have a better chance to start elsewhere, Bradbury said Duhon would be fine working behind Nelson.

"Chris just wants a well-defined role," Bradbury said. "He knows Jameer is the starter."


So, like, Duhon is going to Orlando?
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7/3/2008  11:33 AM
yeah, it seems like he's going to Orlando. if the Knicks really wanted Duhon, they should've offered him 2yrs 11.5mil.

back to the drawing board.
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7/3/2008  11:38 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

yeah, it seems like he's going to Orlando. if the Knicks really wanted Duhon, they should've offered him 2yrs 11.5mil.

back to the drawing board.

I find this peculiar he wouldn't want to play for a coach as exciting as D'Antonio Banderas and for a well respected GM like Walsh. He doesn't want to load the All-Star Kock Gall-Atari?

We got to start winning otherwise D-Cups is no different than anybody else. The culture really starts with winning. I SAY UGH could have remained as evil and non frugal as he was if the team would have won basketball games. Not to say I wanted him to stay but we gotta start winning. Players are turning down money more and more these days to have a chance at winning.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-03-2008 11:26 AM]
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7/3/2008  11:40 AM
Tyronn Lue appears like he could end up in Phoenix.
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7/3/2008  11:43 AM
I think three years means "winning"!
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7/3/2008  11:48 AM
Posted by Nalod:

I think three years means "winning"!

yeah, coincidentally, he took the larger paycheck, longer years and zero state income tax. oh well.
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7/3/2008  4:32 PM
does it really matter that we lost out on Chris Duhon? i mean seriously... he woulda made a nice role player for us but if he wants to play w/a contender, so be it... there are other candidates out there we can easily get on a similar type deal that can do the job.
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