Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Another point and this is a shot at Gallinari (I don't want to but it troubled me), why wouldn't he go head to head against Randolph who had no issue going head to head against him.

Why didn't Eli Manning or Peyton Manning go to the scouting combine and throw passes for scouts side by side with the other QB in the draft? Players always make decisions based on their draft stock, and if there is no benefit to doing something to enhance your stock, there is no reason to do it. Gallinari is not the first and he won't be the last. His stock was pretty much set as a top 10 pick, and he wanted specifically to go to the Knicks or the Nets

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 04:02 AM]

exactly, there's no reason for a highly touted player to go up against guys who are trying to prove themselves so they can move up in scrimmages... there's absolutely nothing to gain for the former player by doing this & everything to gain for the latter... it's business, nothing more nothing less... we'll all see soon enough how Gallinari stacks up against real NBA competition... until then i don't see how you can kill this pick before he's even had a chance to show what he can do.

So now DG was a heavy touted guy, come on TMS now you are gulping the kool-aid. I seem to recall that Randolph was higher on the boards. Lets be honest, he didn't start to move until Mike D was hired and Chad just link him to the Knicks.

Posted by Pharzeone:

So now DG was a heavy touted guy, come on TMS now you are gulping the kool-aid. I seem to recall that Randolph was higher on the boards. Lets be honest, he didn't start to move until Mike D was hired and Chad just link him to the Knicks.

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by Pharzeone:

The point is that Anthony Randolph put up pretty good numbers in the SEC. Would that translate to Euro League. I mean it can't just go one way. If talent NCAA players who could not make in the NBA or get drafted in the NBA have pretty good success over there. Where does that rank a Freshman who had pretty good success. You telling me he couldn't put up similar numbers over there with the big boys.

Anthony Randolph would probably be a very good player in Euro League. But about 80% of his LSU tiger teammates will be phys ed teachers in 4 years, and if his LSU team played a squad in euro league they would get trounced.

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 03:56 AM]

Posted by Pharzeone:

Another point and this is a shot at Gallinari (I don't want to but it troubled me), why wouldn't he go head to head against Randolph who had no issue going head to head against him.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by Pharzeone:

The point is that Anthony Randolph put up pretty good numbers in the SEC. Would that translate to Euro League. I mean it can't just go one way. If talent NCAA players who could not make in the NBA or get drafted in the NBA have pretty good success over there. Where does that rank a Freshman who had pretty good success. You telling me he couldn't put up similar numbers over there with the big boys.

I don't disagree with anything you are saying but who cares about upside when discussing the current ability of the given league? Whats more impressive, playing well against guys who are good now or guys who may be good in 4 years?
Anthony Randolph would probably be a very good player in Euro League. But about 80% of his LSU tiger teammates will be phys ed teachers in 4 years, and if his LSU team played a squad in euro league they would get trounced.

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 03:56 AM]

So you agree that CBB has the talent that could easily play in the EL. Like I said in the other thread, the EL is just a far more condensed league, it doesn't have better young talent with far great upside that CBB has.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by rain:

Those guys would dominate NCAA competition. Point is, the worst players would be all conference players .. plus experience. He's not playing against these guys when they were 20 years old. He's playing against them now, against them in their prime. These teams played NBA teams competitively last pre-season. Its not an argument guys.. really, just accept it.

After Westbrook went, they like this kid better than anything left. I don't have a problem with it. Randolph would have been nice on a trade down.. but they liked Gallinari's skill better. We have a bunch of fans that like athleticism here.. this is more of a size/skill pick.. with very under-rated athleticism. He can't jump.. but that is about it. He's a potential nightmare to matchup against. I trust Walsh and D'Antoni on this one. Seeing him cross up power forwards at 19, at his height.. helped to convince me.

thank you for providing a reasonable take on this... just because the Knicks didn't take the exact player you wanted doesn't mean they made a terrible mistake... any draft pick is always a wait & see proposition no matter if his name is OJ Mayo or Ante Tomic (sorry isles, i had to use that one... that one threw me for a loop when u picked him in the mock)

bottomline for me, if this kid can get the ball into the hole, be a good team player, play w/some guts & not be a pain in the butt, that's pretty much all i care about at this point.

That was a good pick at that point in the mock draft.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by Pharzeone:

The point is that Anthony Randolph put up pretty good numbers in the SEC. Would that translate to Euro League. I mean it can't just go one way. If talent NCAA players who could not make in the NBA or get drafted in the NBA have pretty good success over there. Where does that rank a Freshman who had pretty good success. You telling me he couldn't put up similar numbers over there with the big boys.

I don't disagree with anything you are saying but who cares about upside when discussing the current ability of the given league? Whats more impressive, playing well against guys who are good now or guys who may be good in 4 years?
Anthony Randolph would probably be a very good player in Euro League. But about 80% of his LSU tiger teammates will be phys ed teachers in 4 years, and if his LSU team played a squad in euro league they would get trounced.

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 03:56 AM]

So you agree that CBB has the talent that could easily play in the EL. Like I said in the other thread, the EL is just a far more condensed league, it doesn't have better young talent with far great upside that CBB has.

I don't disagree with anything you are saying but who cares about upside when discussing the current ability of the given league? Whats more impressive, playing well against guys who are good now or guys who may be good in 4 years?


[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 04:40 AM]

If that's the case, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, and scouts think the competition is better in the EL, then why aren't top high school kids, who have no interest in staying past their first NCAA Tourney, going to play in the EL instead of the NCAA?