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5/8/2008  6:27 PM
No, D'Antoni had the players and failed with his style. The players are a big part of it but so is the game plan. You should cut the fancy dressing accept the fact that playing an "exciting" style isn't what is best for the team.
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5/8/2008  6:27 PM
Posted by bitty41:
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The game has not changed in that aspect. Teams that are playing defense are the ones that are reaching the Finals. The game has changed in a way that allows those teams like the Suns and Warriors to be successful but come playoff time it's a whole new ballgame. Just ask D'Antoni.

Detroit the team that is considered one of the best in the NBA has for the past 2 seasons been all but run out of the playoffs. D'Antoni has lost to teams that went on to represent the West in the NBA Finals so that is hardly is dramatic underachievement.

Detroit has Flip Saunders as their coach. 'Nuff said.

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5/8/2008  6:28 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
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D'antoni - his style doesn't translate to a championship?????????

that's like some fat kid with a face full of zits who hasn't gotten laid in 10 years saying NO to a reasonably hot chick saying "well, she's not Jessica Alba"

Yeah, I don't think you understand. You build a team to win a title, not to get into the playoffs only to prematurely ejaculate at the last second.

Suns management traded the picks that would've completed the team.

Walsh + D' Antoni + Dolan's wallet may produce an entirely different result here
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5/8/2008  6:35 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by bitty41:
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The game has not changed in that aspect. Teams that are playing defense are the ones that are reaching the Finals. The game has changed in a way that allows those teams like the Suns and Warriors to be successful but come playoff time it's a whole new ballgame. Just ask D'Antoni.

Detroit the team that is considered one of the best in the NBA has for the past 2 seasons been all but run out of the playoffs. D'Antoni has lost to teams that went on to represent the West in the NBA Finals so that is hardly is dramatic underachievement.

Detroit has Flip Saunders as their coach. 'Nuff said.

Okay Houston Rockets why were they bounced out in the first round they are the 3rd defensively last season bad coaching again hun?

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5/8/2008  6:39 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
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D'antoni the coach.....he is one of the best in the world. Donnie Walsh has talked about getting Jax a top assistant if he was to get hired.......so why wouldn't there be a converation about D'antoni getting a defensive guru?

Again Donnie has always drafted 2 way players.......I think this scenerio could work.

Best in the world? That's hilarious.

One of the best.....he coached overseas and was sucsessful. He's a damn good coach.

What hilarious is you are ****ting on him cuz he lost to the spurs......is pat a douce cuz he lost to MJ when he was in ny?
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5/8/2008  6:43 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by GKFv2:

The game has not changed in that aspect. Teams that are playing defense are the ones that are reaching the Finals. The game has changed in a way that allows those teams like the Suns and Warriors to be successful but come playoff time it's a whole new ballgame. Just ask D'Antoni.

Detroit the team that is considered one of the best in the NBA has for the past 2 seasons been all but run out of the playoffs. D'Antoni has lost to teams that went on to represent the West in the NBA Finals so that is hardly is dramatic underachievement.

Detroit has Flip Saunders as their coach. 'Nuff said.

Okay Houston Rockets why were they bounced out in the first round they are the 3rd defensively last season bad coaching again hun?

Yao has been injured the past 2 seasons.
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5/8/2008  6:44 PM
I like this move matter of fact I love this move. The people who are against this are people who coould careless about the well being of the Knicks. D'Antoni is not championship material what the F is everyone talking about, who the hell was championship material for the Knicks in the first place. Red was the only one who qualifies as championship material for the Knicks. Avery hasn't won one as a coach, Neither has Byron Scott. Jax hasn't even sniffed a win in the regular season.

You want D'Antoni here for one thing and one thing only for the Psyche of the young players. Players will respond to D'Antoni and his system will be very valuable for improvement of the players some who are untradeable as his system will make them more attractive to possible trade senarios.

D'Antoni is the right choice for the kNicks as he will help improve and implement something that the Knicks have been lacking in the past three, four years and thats a system that can be sold to the players.

I agree defense wins championships I am also confident that D'Antoni will improve the team defense in his tenure as a coach no matter where he goes. The Knicks will be lucky to have this guy as their coach.
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5/8/2008  6:46 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by GKFv2:
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D'antoni the coach.....he is one of the best in the world. Donnie Walsh has talked about getting Jax a top assistant if he was to get hired.......so why wouldn't there be a converation about D'antoni getting a defensive guru?

Again Donnie has always drafted 2 way players.......I think this scenerio could work.

Best in the world? That's hilarious.

One of the best.....he coached overseas and was sucsessful. He's a damn good coach.

What hilarious is you are ****ting on him cuz he lost to the spurs......is pat a douce cuz he lost to MJ when he was in ny?

He's not a damn good coach. He's a good OFFENSIVE coach. His defensive philosophy is to outscore the opponent and he admitted that too. He is being forced out of Phoenix because of that(and his not-so-great relationship with Kerr). He'd be great assistant on a team but he only knows 50% of the game. A great coach knows 100% of the game.

Riley won his titles already and he did so while also stressing defense so there is no comparison with D'Antoni.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 05-08-2008 6:48 PM]
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5/8/2008  7:05 PM
Yao has been injured the past 2 seasons.

Uh Yao played in last season's playoffs.
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5/8/2008  7:05 PM
Spurs beat the suns by out playing them @ their own game....along with defense. Spurs can score with the best and they proved that year in and out. They defend better than anyone too so there you go....

If D'antoni is hire will you be the new islesfan holding on the the "fire d'antoni" thread for 4 years?
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5/8/2008  7:12 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Spurs beat the suns by out playing them @ their own game....along with defense. Spurs can score with the best and they proved that year in and out. They defend better than anyone too so there you go....

If D'antoni is hire will you be the new islesfan holding on the the "fire d'antoni" thread for 4 years?

D'Antoni is not the right coach for this team or ever and isles will agree on that as well.

The argument is getting a little repetitive. You have your own opinion, I have mine. Let's leave it at that.
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5/8/2008  7:13 PM
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BTW, the warriors haven't done anything on the level as D'Antoni.

The Warriors also didn't have the absolute perfect players for the run and gun that D'Antoni had in Nash, Marion and Amare, amongst others. It's not just about the system but about the players. D'Antoni had the Perfect Storm with those guys. They were extremely lucky to put those guys together. It's not even rational to expect that another team could put together a 2 time MVP PG, 2 all star forwards and a 6th man of the year. I'm not even including a future all star in Joe Johnson and other solid players.

Even with the perfect players for his system, he couldn't get to an NBA Finals. Do you really think he does better with players who aren't of that caliber? His teams aren't strong defensively and don't execute well in the half court. Without the perfect players, those things will need to be stressed and D'Antoni doesn't have the background that would lead anyone to believe that they would be.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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5/8/2008  7:18 PM
I think we all are arguing over all the wrong reasons. People here are talking championship here that is absurd you don't talk championship until you talk playoffs. I think Jackson is more quailfied to be the GM of the KNicks then a head coach that my honest opinion.

We should enjoy the fact that we might be getting a coach in here who actually knows how to win games, if not by playing defense then by offense. I think this will be vital for the young players more than anything, they needto learn to win.
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5/8/2008  7:30 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Spurs beat the suns by out playing them @ their own game....along with defense. Spurs can score with the best and they proved that year in and out. They defend better than anyone too so there you go....

If D'antoni is hire will you be the new islesfan holding on the the "fire d'antoni" thread for 4 years?

First of all, there will never be another islesfan.

Secondly, you can't just give the Suns and D'Antoni a pass for losing to the Spurs. In 2005 and 2007, the Suns had home court advantage and they won a total of 3 games in those series. In 2006 the Suns never had to face the Spurs but couldn't get past the Mavs. The Mavs were able to get past the supposedly unbeatable Spurs that year.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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5/8/2008  7:30 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

No, D'Antoni had the players and failed with his style. The players are a big part of it but so is the game plan. You should cut the fancy dressing accept the fact that playing an "exciting" style isn't what is best for the team.

unless you are saying that amare and nash are better than duncan, I don't get your point here.... He had a better team when he had Q and Joe Johnson. Joe got hurt one playoff series that cost the suns... Last year, they had the suspensions which really killed the suns. Diaw and Bell definately gotten better under D'antoni's system but they are a talent downgrade from JJ and Q.... Marion is a good player, nash is a two time MVP but he was never considered the leagues "best" player like Duncan and kobe were, are...... So yes the suns were talented, but are you suprised they lost to Duncan 3 times?
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5/8/2008  7:34 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EnySpree:

Spurs beat the suns by out playing them @ their own game....along with defense. Spurs can score with the best and they proved that year in and out. They defend better than anyone too so there you go....

If D'antoni is hire will you be the new islesfan holding on the the "fire d'antoni" thread for 4 years?

First of all, there will never be another islesfan.

Secondly, you can't just give the Suns and D'Antoni a pass for losing to the Spurs. In 2005 and 2007, the Suns had home court advantage and they won a total of 3 games in those series. In 2006 the Suns never had to face the Spurs but couldn't get past the Mavs. The Mavs were able to get past the supposedly unbeatable Spurs that year.


The Suns were an elite team under D'Antoni so you guys can spin it anyway you want but thats a fact.
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5/8/2008  7:42 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EnySpree:

Spurs beat the suns by out playing them @ their own game....along with defense. Spurs can score with the best and they proved that year in and out. They defend better than anyone too so there you go....

If D'antoni is hire will you be the new islesfan holding on the the "fire d'antoni" thread for 4 years?

First of all, there will never be another islesfan.

Secondly, you can't just give the Suns and D'Antoni a pass for losing to the Spurs. In 2005 and 2007, the Suns had home court advantage and they won a total of 3 games in those series. In 2006 the Suns never had to face the Spurs but couldn't get past the Mavs. The Mavs were able to get past the supposedly unbeatable Spurs that year.


The Suns were an elite team under D'Antoni so you guys can spin it anyway you want but thats a fact.

An elite regular season team that continually underachieves in the postseason. That's a fact.
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5/8/2008  8:19 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by EnySpree:

Spurs beat the suns by out playing them @ their own game....along with defense. Spurs can score with the best and they proved that year in and out. They defend better than anyone too so there you go....

If D'antoni is hire will you be the new islesfan holding on the the "fire d'antoni" thread for 4 years?

First of all, there will never be another islesfan.

Secondly, you can't just give the Suns and D'Antoni a pass for losing to the Spurs. In 2005 and 2007, the Suns had home court advantage and they won a total of 3 games in those series. In 2006 the Suns never had to face the Spurs but couldn't get past the Mavs. The Mavs were able to get past the supposedly unbeatable Spurs that year.


The Suns were an elite team under D'Antoni so you guys can spin it anyway you want but thats a fact.

An elite regular season team that continually underachieves in the postseason. That's a fact.

Although in the last 4 years under D'Antoni they lost to the Spurs 3 times in the playoffs and the Spurs went on to win the championship in 2 of those years. It's not like they lost to bad teams...
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5/8/2008  8:33 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Man, this is annoying.

Forget the Lakers, they have a guy named Kobe Bryant.

The Spurs are an old team. They already won their titles. Their slowness is catching up with them, especially against a team like the Hornets, one of the most athletic in the NBA if not the most. The Hornets also play their share of defense and a guy named Chris Paul.

"You just have to get stops when you need to."

Yeah...no.

To be able to get those stops, you have to be in the game. You don't just wait till the end to play defense. The game isn't only about defense but a lot of guys can score the basketball. It's the the team that plays defense that wins the trophy. Ask Riley, Brown, Popovich, even Phil or anyone else who has been there.

Game hasn't changed too much in that aspect, it's the people who will accept anything that is given to them that hasn't changed. If Isiah made this hiring, people would be pissed.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 05-08-2008 6:15 PM]


The Spurs didn't look so old in the first round when Parker, Ginobili and Duncan looked like world beaters against a Suns team that was older than them. Shaq, Hill and Nash are much older and in the case of Hill and Shaq have much more wear and tear and injuries.

This years Suns team, or should I say the second half of the seasons Suns are not nearly as good as the Teams he had in previous years. Hill is over the hill, and Shaq is a slow shell of himself.

The Spurs look old now because they are going up against a young athletic team that can get out and run and out quick them.

[Edited by - uptown on 05-08-2008 8:34 PM]
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5/8/2008  8:37 PM
Posted by islesfan:
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BTW, the warriors haven't done anything on the level as D'Antoni.

The Warriors also didn't have the absolute perfect players for the run and gun that D'Antoni had in Nash, Marion and Amare, amongst others. It's not just about the system but about the players. D'Antoni had the Perfect Storm with those guys. They were extremely lucky to put those guys together. It's not even rational to expect that another team could put together a 2 time MVP PG, 2 all star forwards and a 6th man of the year. I'm not even including a future all star in Joe Johnson and other solid players.

Even with the perfect players for his system, he couldn't get to an NBA Finals. Do you really think he does better with players who aren't of that caliber? His teams aren't strong defensively and don't execute well in the half court. Without the perfect players, those things will need to be stressed and D'Antoni doesn't have the background that would lead anyone to believe that they would be.

Despite all the allstars the Suns might have had, Duncan was still the best player on the court every year. When teams are some close in talent, usually the team with the best player wins. We lost our 'Chip' because Hakeem was the best players despite the possibility that our team might have been better.
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