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Panos
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4/24/2008  10:01 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by misterearl:

The Answer Man Testifies Before the (cough) Grand Jury

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Q. bonn - What grade were you giving Isiah Thomas just three months ago?

A. I have no recollection of giving Isiah Thomas ANY grade three months ago (which was January btw) and I did not have sex with that woman.

[Edited by - misterearl on 04-22-2008 11:53 AM]

No, 3 months ago you were still in hiding. You talked all tough up through the first week of the season, like you have all throughout Isiah's tenure, defending him like he was paying you to, and then you disappeared like the fair weather fan that you are. When you came back with the season already blown up, you left behind all your previous bluster (how did that "Obviously the Knicks are going to make the playoffs, so what's the problem" work out?) and starting acting like you were calling for change all along. Right.

Seriously, Earl, what makes you think you have any cred here now?
Be a man and admit you were wrong, or STFU.


[Edited by - panos on 24-04-2008 10:01 AM]
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4/24/2008  11:18 AM
An Open Response To STFU

Panos - you seem to be under some delusional impression that I seek your approval or permission to post in a public forum. Allow me to set the record straight once and for all. (please read carefully)

I do not give a rat's butt what you think of me personally. Never have. Never will. I will continue to post opinions on Knicks basketball that drive you crazy simply because I enjoy the art of creative and abstract thinking. If you have a problem with that, you may want to consider it is perhaps more your problem than mine.

Why?

Because whatever your personal criteria of so-called "cred" that you have created in your mind over my inclusion in some imaginary, segregated club of basketball geniuses means absolutely nothing to me. Panos, you are nothing to me but a series of insignificant dots on a plasma screen.

Let's keep it that way.


Give me Mark Jackson or gve me liberty!



[Edited by - misterearl on 04-24-2008 11:34 AM]
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4/24/2008  11:36 AM
Posted by misterearl:

I will continue to post opinions on Knicks basketball that drive you crazy simply because I enjoy the art of creative and abstract thinking.

Otherwise known as "double talk and flip flopping".
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4/24/2008  11:39 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Give me Mark Jackson or gve me liberty!

So if we can't Mark Jackson, you want the Liberty to play in place of the Knicks? That might not be a bad idea.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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4/24/2008  12:22 PM
Solace - if Mark Jackson isn't the choice for head coach then I'm down with Bill Rhoden (with huge props to djsu for posing the identical alternative yesterday) on Avery Johnson.

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4/24/2008  12:28 PM
Third Choice for Knicks Head Coach?

A blend of experience, history with the franchise, respected throughout the league, a professional career based on hard work to satisfy the skeptics of his conditioning, and a track record of working with players of diverse ages and personality.

Piece of cake.

The rugged and raw...

... Paul Silas
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4/25/2008  7:13 AM
All purely offensive arguments. Why don't you show me some defensive statistics?
Why not? Cause Jackson couldn't guard a statue. That's why he got run out of town
cause opposing guards ran circles around him. And this is because he not only reported
to camp out of shape, he stayed there all year long. Since our players are not motivated
enough to stay conditioned of their own volition, we need a coach that will stress that.

Purely offensive arguments? ? 17 years in the NBA is an offensive argument?

So what you're telling me is that Jackson always reported to camp out of shape -- and stayed out of shape -- for 17 years in the NBA, playing 35 minutes a game as a starter for most of those years. That is simply ridiculous.

I guess aaaaall those coaches he had, including Larry Brown, were just stupid, playing Jackson all those minutes while he was out of shape -- right into the playoffs most years!

I wonder how he managed to rack up all those assists in run-and-gun systems while out of shape? How did he stay on the floor if he was out of shape all season? That man is amazing!

I guess if he ever got in shape, he would be number one in assists by 5,000, 2nd all-time in games played, etc. Just imagine, he'd be on his 22nd year as a pro if only he ever got in shape!

The point I am trying to make is your out of shape argument is silly. If Jackson was out of shape, I wish scrubs Anthony, Ward, and Childs would have let themselves get out of shape.

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You can say what you want about Jackson's defense, but if you really watched him with any objectivity, you would know that he was a poor man-to-man defensive player, but he made good plays within a team defensive structure. That's why in the one year in his career he showed up out of shape, he still averaged 1.3 steals.

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I guess since the prerequisite to being a good coach is that you were an exceptional defensive player who was in good shape, Walsh should start interviewing Haywood Workman. He should also be checking into those 2 defensive greats: Scott Skiles and Rick Carlisle! Boy, those 2 were they wonderful defensive players! Do they meet the Panos "You must have been a great defensive player who was always in great shape" seal of approval?

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Panos, obviously you just don't like Jackson. That's cool. But this "out of shape" and "no defense" argument is absurd. Especially the out of shape part. You don't play 17 years in the NBA if you're out of shape, especially as a PG.

oohah

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4/25/2008  7:25 AM
Don Chaney was a great defensive player, but as head coach of the Knicks, he neglected defense. Doc Rivers was a good defensive player, but he couldn't coach defense and had to hire Thibodeau to bail him out on that end.

I'm curious to see what kind of coach Jackson will be if hired. One thing that will be important for him is to hire good assistants who compliment his expertise - just as Rivers hired Thibodeau to help with defense and Phil Jackson hired Tex Winter to help him with offense.
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4/25/2008  7:30 AM
Out Of Shape

oohah - what makes you think you can back up an opinion on Mark Jackson with a treasure trove of factorial research and get away with it?

Participating in over 1.395 regular season NBA games, which contain over 15,745 timeouts and strategy huddles, in no way qualifies a former player like Jackson to be a head coach if he was not hitting the stair master every day or conforming to the PPPS (Panos Pontificant Prescribed Standards) of defensive (cough) "intensity".

If Mark Jackson is being seriously considered by Donnie Walsh, who has watched more basketball (with more backstage access and better seats I might add) than all of the posters on this forum combined, multiplied by 60, it must mean that Walsh is an idiot.







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4/25/2008  7:47 AM
Mark Jackson, senior year at St. Johns, the year of 1987: Big east Defensive Player of the Year!

Look it up.

By the way, the Big East was the gold standard for defense during those days.

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4/25/2008  8:08 AM
Posted by Ira:

Don Chaney was a great defensive player, but as head coach of the Knicks, he neglected defense. Doc Rivers was a good defensive player, but he couldn't coach defense and had to hire Thibodeau to bail him out on that end.

I'm curious to see what kind of coach Jackson will be if hired. One thing that will be important for him is to hire good assistants who compliment his expertise - just as Rivers hired Thibodeau to help with defense and Phil Jackson hired Tex Winter to help him with offense.
what games were you watching? I seem to remember that team that won 37 games play hard defense everynight. What hurt was their started Houston (SG), Kurt (C) and Harrington (PF) who on most nights were overmatched. It wasnt because they didnt play hard or try to defend. That team was in every game. Isiah's team get blown out by 20 points at halftime

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4/25/2008  8:46 AM
Neglected Defense?

fishmike - you stole the words right oout of my brain. Generalizations based on restricted views are a problem. How can anyone know what Chaney emphasized or neglected in practice or in the huddle?

6'8 Kurt Thomas at center?

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4/25/2008  8:47 AM
All I know is if George Karl is hired as head coach I'm slitting my wrists
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4/25/2008  9:21 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Ira:

Don Chaney was a great defensive player, but as head coach of the Knicks, he neglected defense. Doc Rivers was a good defensive player, but he couldn't coach defense and had to hire Thibodeau to bail him out on that end.

I'm curious to see what kind of coach Jackson will be if hired. One thing that will be important for him is to hire good assistants who compliment his expertise - just as Rivers hired Thibodeau to help with defense and Phil Jackson hired Tex Winter to help him with offense.
what games were you watching? I seem to remember that team that won 37 games play hard defense everynight. What hurt was their started Houston (SG), Kurt (C) and Harrington (PF) who on most nights were overmatched. It wasnt because they didnt play hard or try to defend. That team was in every game. Isiah's team get blown out by 20 points at halftime

Well Fish, as I recall, they did try hard on defense but they were not particularly good at it. This description could be applied to Mr. Jackson, the player, as well.

Check out this link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2003.html

They rank the Knicks as better on Offense (12 out of 29) than defense (23rd of 29). Their strategy was to limit possesions, but they turned the ball over too much and they did not have the firepower to overcome it. They were good at forcing turnovers but they could not stop penetration.

The biggest problem was that Eisley, Ward and Houston were not good at keeping their man in front of them (Like Jackson) and we no longer had a shot blocker like Camby or Ewing, but we did have Thomas who could at least intimidate drivers with physical harm a' la' Charles Oakley.

Sprewell was a pretty good defensive player, but declining, but Kurt Thomas was as tough a defensive player as Oakley. (yeah, I said it!) I think we should all recall that Kurt Thomas was considered to be the problem with this team by many many people.

He wasn't.

The only coaches who have done a really good job with the Knicks in the past 10-15 years considering what they had to work with, is Lenny Wilkens and Don Nelson. Van Gundy was doodoo, even if he did have a miracle run to the finals. That happened in spite of him. he wanted to bench the 2 instrumental players (outside of Houston), Camby and Sprewell.

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[Edited by - oohah on 25-04-2008 09:25 AM]
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4/25/2008  10:41 PM
The only coaches who did anything for the Knicks in the last 10-15 years were Wilkens and Nelson? Nelson was horrible. He didn't last a season. Nelson is definitely an innovator and has a strong will (i.e. benching Baron Davis to prove a point for the entire second half of an elimination game) but he was totally wrong for the Knicks. Remember the Knicks were built around Patrick and Nelson decided to make Mason the point forward. Mason was a good player but for the Knicks to be successful at that point Ewing needed to be the guy. Nelson's best move was being so bad that Van Gundy was hired to replace him. Disregarding JVG, his accomplishments, his work ethic etc. makes you look like you are not a knowledgeable fan and I know you are. Wilkens was too old and tired to do anything with the Knicks. I never cared for his style when he was with Cleveland and Atlanta. I know that I was caught up in the physical, intense defensive philosphy that the Knicks played. Lenny's teams never translated their regular season success to the playoffs and he had some very good teams in Cleveland. I still do not know why Lenny was hired. I remember checking the news all day hoping that the Knicks would hire Fratello as reported. My impression at the time was that Lenny was the second choice and a last minute choice by Thomas.
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4/26/2008  11:12 PM
Posted by oohah:


The only coaches who have done a really good job with the Knicks in the past 10-15 years considering what they had to work with, is Lenny Wilkens and Don Nelson. Van Gundy was doodoo, even if he did have a miracle run to the finals. That happened in spite of him. he wanted to bench the 2 instrumental players (outside of Houston), Camby and Sprewell.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 25-04-2008 09:25 AM]

Im sorry but this is just pure retardation. Don nelson?.... don nelson???? I think u r prob jus ****in wit people like playa used 2 do... cuz u can't b this retarded
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Posted by Elite:
Posted by oohah:


The only coaches who have done a really good job with the Knicks in the past 10-15 years considering what they had to work with, is Lenny Wilkens and Don Nelson. Van Gundy was doodoo, even if he did have a miracle run to the finals. That happened in spite of him. he wanted to bench the 2 instrumental players (outside of Houston), Camby and Sprewell.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 25-04-2008 09:25 AM]

Im sorry but this is just pure retardation. Don nelson?.... don nelson???? I think u r prob jus ****in wit people like playa used 2 do... cuz u can't b this retarded

JVG has to rank as one of the better coaches we had here. DEFINITELY one of the most hardworking. Sprewell was first benched because he just didnt know how to play him with Houston in the startling line up, and trust me playing a 6'5 guard at SF hurt back in a conference that had Mashburn's etc. Come playoff he figured out how to fit him in the starting line up, same goes with Camby. Dont forget Camby reported to camp grossly unfit and wanted out in an exhibition game cos he was winded. Van GUndy benched him and made him earn his minutes....something that dont happen here too often nowadays.
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4/27/2008  1:41 AM
The Knicks could not defend the 3 under Don Chaney. It was their achilles heel and caused many of the close losses they suffered.
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4/27/2008  1:41 AM
Of course now they can't defend anything....
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