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4/2/2008  7:19 AM
Posted by playa2:

Nalod the NCAA are allowing kids who can't read or write into their universities. THAT IS WRONG PERIOD! What education are they getting when every institution passed the kid thru because of his athletisism.

If they can't hack it in the classroom why are they allowed to represent the university ?

that's a good point. how about if a university had a program for a kid like that that provided remedial academic skill training, with tests that needed to be passed in order to gain entry into degree courses. and with a scholarship that covered the whole ride. that way the kid could cash in his athletic ability for a ticket for advancement in life (assuming this isn’t an nba-level player). the university benefits from his contribution to their team and gives something real back.
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4/2/2008  9:35 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by playa2:

Nalod the NCAA are allowing kids who can't read or write into their universities. THAT IS WRONG PERIOD! What education are they getting when every institution passed the kid thru because of his athletisism.

If they can't hack it in the classroom why are they allowed to represent the university ?

that's a good point. how about if a university had a program for a kid like that that provided remedial academic skill training, with tests that needed to be passed in order to gain entry into degree courses. and with a scholarship that covered the whole ride. that way the kid could cash in his athletic ability for a ticket for advancement in life (assuming this isn’t an nba-level player). the university benefits from his contribution to their team and gives something real back.

playa may not like the fact you it puts the student in a position to not earn professional athlete $$$ for a longer time!

I like the idea. I'd put a 2 year cap on the remedial learning and IF the student played for 4 years, offer another 2 years free at his/her discretion.
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4/2/2008  9:46 AM
I think a lot of the reason the kids don't graduate is it would be a total farse if they did.

I really believe as you do Playa that many kids don't belong in college but get remedial help and are better for the experience than not.

A kid can come in, get some experience at many levels and leave after a year if they so choose. It does not kill their earning capacity. Marbury did it and if anything his stock rose by proving he can bring it at the NCAA level and dominate. If a kid can handle a year in college, he is a better investment. Kwame Brown did not know how to get better food and ate bad fast food every night, bought new clothes because he did not know how to get his clothes cleaned, etc. This is not on court issues but lends itself to being able to grow as a person and athlete.

Duke has programs to get degrees for kids in three years and like I said, even if they don't get the degree, they can always return, or at least got more education than just going to a minor league.

The other thing your not considering is what happens to a kid that goes into the minors and blossoms into a star? His value is pegged and he won't be free to get the juice as would be a top 3 lotto pick could.

In baseball the players are not free for 5 years after they hit the majors.

I think the NBDL is limiting to some extent. A kid could get buried there were he might have shined in the NCAA's!

NCAA might be a plantation but the crop is the players. In the developent league teams would own the kid for years!!!!!
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4/2/2008  11:24 AM
why does it work in europe then, the guys still get paid.

Do you think a can't miss kid, will be lost in the NBDL instead of going to a university?

Never Would happen if the NBA wasn't in bed with the NCAA.

[Edited by - PLAYA2 on 02-04-2008 11:30]
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4/2/2008  11:29 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by playa2:

Nalod the NCAA are allowing kids who can't read or write into their universities. THAT IS WRONG PERIOD! What education are they getting when every institution passed the kid thru because of his athletisism.

If they can't hack it in the classroom why are they allowed to represent the university ?

that's a good point. how about if a university had a program for a kid like that that provided remedial academic skill training, with tests that needed to be passed in order to gain entry into degree courses. and with a scholarship that covered the whole ride. that way the kid could cash in his athletic ability for a ticket for advancement in life (assuming this isn’t an nba-level player). the university benefits from his contribution to their team and gives something real back.

How are universities really preparing a kid when they choose not to work with them with remedial classes academic skill training.

IMHO they should never represent any university without this happening 1st.

Why haven't the NCAA been called to the carpet on this?

Because they would lose money and that's the only reason why no writers and commentators would throughly follow up and do a major report on this discrepency.

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4/3/2008  9:18 AM
Posted by Nalod:

I think a lot of the reason the kids don't graduate is it would be a total farse if they did.

I really believe as you do Playa that many kids don't belong in college but get remedial help and are better for the experience than not.

A kid can come in, get some experience at many levels and leave after a year if they so choose. It does not kill their earning capacity. Marbury did it and if anything his stock rose by proving he can bring it at the NCAA level and dominate. If a kid can handle a year in college, he is a better investment. Kwame Brown did not know how to get better food and ate bad fast food every night, bought new clothes because he did not know how to get his clothes cleaned, etc. This is not on court issues but lends itself to being able to grow as a person and athlete.

Duke has programs to get degrees for kids in three years and like I said, even if they don't get the degree, they can always return, or at least got more education than just going to a minor league.

The other thing your not considering is what happens to a kid that goes into the minors and blossoms into a star? His value is pegged and he won't be free to get the juice as would be a top 3 lotto pick could.

In baseball the players are not free for 5 years after they hit the majors.

I think the NBDL is limiting to some extent. A kid could get buried there were he might have shined in the NCAA's!

NCAA might be a plantation but the crop is the players. In the developent league teams would own the kid for years!!!!!

NOT REALLY here's an example.

Stephen Jackson prepped at Lincoln High School in Port Arthur, Texas before transferring to Oak Hill Academy (Virginia) where he earned All-America honors in 1996. Following a commitment to join the University of Arizona, Jackson was ruled academically ineligible.

Jackson was selected 43rd overall in the 1997 NBA Draft by the Phoenix Suns, yet did not receive an opportunity to perform, as he was waived by the team on October 30. Following this development, Jackson then saw action in six games with the La Crosse Bobcats in the CBA, in which he averaged 2.7 points in 12.7 minutes per game. Additionally, Jackson had a brief stint with the Sydney Kings in Australia’s National Basketball League. Continuing his basketball journey, Jackson played professionally in Venezuela and the Dominican Republic.

Jackson never made a dollar for any university and he now earned a 6 year, $38.3 million contract.

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4/4/2008  12:59 PM
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/basketball/357743_nbabok04.html

"Kevin Durant is still bothered by the perception -- primarily by former Texas Tech coach Bob Knight -- that he attended school one semester at Texas while merely waiting to enter the NBA draft following last season. Prospects such as Michael Beasley and Eric Gordon, similar to Durant, are pondering their professional futures after one year of college. Durant is a proponent of the mandatory one-year rule and said his season with the Longhorns was a tremendous help as opposed to entering the draft straight out of Montrose Christian High School. 'I miss Texas, the whole group of guys, the schools, and I didn't want to rush into anything,' he said. 'When (Knight) made that comment I was a little upset because a lot of people think I don't always go to class and people do my work for me and I got paid to go to school. And that upset me coming from a coach. I thought he would understand more where the players are coming from in terms of getting an education."
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4/4/2008  4:30 PM
do you think 95 % of the guys are like Durant ?

Cmon martin you reachin my friend.

You think Bobby Knight doesn't know what's going on ?
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4/4/2008  4:38 PM
Posted by playa2:

do you think 95 % of the guys are like Durant ?

Cmon martin you reachin my friend.

You think Bobby Knight doesn't know what's going on ?

what am I reaching for? I am just posting what Durant said.
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4/4/2008  4:59 PM
Yea I know , but you don't think Robert Montgomery Knight doesn't know what's "REALLY" going with academics in the NCAA and actually know what's going on among his peers in the coaching profession.
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4/4/2008  5:04 PM
North Carolina was the only school among the four No. 1 seeds in the NCAA men's tournament to graduate at least 50 percent of its players.

A report released Monday found 86 percent of Tar Heels men's players earned diplomas during a six-year period. The other top seeds were far worse: 45 percent at Kansas and 40 percent at UCLA and Memphis.


And I bet most of those guys are on the bench or walkons who are good students.
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