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7/20/2003  2:45 PM
As a knicks fan I would love to move Spree or Houston and get a natural SF in there place. But I just don't feel that should be the focus of the offseason.

Playa22: U obviously don't like Spree at all. So Im not going to continue to argue with u as it won't go anywhere. I doubt I have the ability to change your mind especially with so much hate for him. So I will just make these points and leave it alone.

Listen NEWYORK, that statement above alone is the reason he isn't needed here anymore . We already have a starting shooting guard. Spree has tried to out shoot Houston as soon as Ewing role was diminishing knowing that Houston was the "MAN" and he was the Utility man for the knicks and that's a fact. He's a wannabe on a high profile team and he doesn't even want to go to a team that has a chance to win a title soon so what is that telling you

I can tell u are a flat out hater cuz in the most recent season Sprewell took a step back and looked to get Houston more shots rather than shoot. But u would rather look at a season that happend 3yrs ago. And if anyone was the "MAN" when Ewing declined it was LJ who was our go to guy and drew in doubles to open up Houston & Spree. Camby was also more of the "MAN" than either Houston or Spree (when healthy) cuz Camby completely dominated at the defensive end and molded the team into a strong defensive unit around him. Houston wa never a good defender but Camby coverd that up. This past season Spree was injured and saw how Houston was flourishing being the "MAN" so like a leader he took a step back and kept feeding Houston the ball so Houston could continue to flourish.

How can anyone say we don't need Sprewell when we went 1-7when he was injured & 37-37 or 500. when he was on the team. If Spree doesn't get injured we go 42-42 and possible make playoffs. Yea it also looks like superstar Shandon Anderson didn't step up in the starting role. It funny to me that people are saying Anderson can take Spree's place when he has never averaged more than 12.3pts in his 7yr career. With Rockets in 33mins he averaged 12.3pts 4.7rebs, 2nd yr on Rockets in 30mins he averaged 8.7pts 4.1rebs. Yet we could trade Spree for a sandwich move Anderson in the starting spot and expect him to put up 17-19pts like Spree. In the 9games Anderson started in the beginning of the season.(Yes 9games not 8) Anderson averaged 9pts & 5rebs.

So haters can hate all they want but most likley Spree & Houston will be on the team this & next season. Deal with it and focus more on the positives they bring rather than the negatives.
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7/20/2003  3:08 PM
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn! The last 23 yrs who has taken more shots , sprewell or Houston? ans SPREWELL! WHO HAS A BETTER SHOOTING PERCENTAGE THE LAST 3 YRS Houston or Mewell? ans Houston Now you do the math.

[Edited by - playa2 on 07/20/2003 15:10:18]
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7/20/2003  4:15 PM
Y Im letting u draw me into this I don't know but.

As a hater of course u block out the fact that Spree plays more mins than Houston every yr so of course his shots will be slightly higher than Houston's.

Career
Spree's career: 40mins 16shots
Houston's career: 34min 14shots

Spree: 1 shot every 2.5mins
Houton's career: 1 shot every 2.4mins

2003 season
Spree: 39mins 15shots
Houston: 38mins 18shots

Spree: 1 shot every 2.6mins
Houston: 1 shot every 2.1mins

Also as a hater u block out that Spree plays more mins than Houston cuz he is all around a better player than Houston. Houston may have ore pts, %s, TO#s. BUT stls, O&D rebs, assist, Pfs Spree is better than Houston at. As well as Defense & Leadership. Spree may not be the greatest leader but he is better than Houston at it.

I still don't understand how we don't need Sprewell.
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7/20/2003  5:46 PM
The comparison of spree to H20 is ludicrous. You have One player that has negotiated his due, showed individual improvement every year over the past 3 years while being a model citizen to our youth. In doing so, this player has not lowered his basketball standard. He does not complain about getting size, or having players play out of position. And eventhough he is the captain, he does not shout his leadership. He is just as old as the other player and is still getting better with age.... like fine wine.

The other player, considered by many as New York's finest, considered by many as the most dangerous player in the open court while being also considered as the outspoken leader of our squad. And without a doubt our toughest defender, the other player has come to New York, got the starting role only to miss the window of opportunity in transforming his energy where it counts.

But in all fairness, both players forgot how to produce the chemistry that played havoc with other teams during the turn of the century............That's OK, and the saying goes, "It aint over till the opera lady sings"
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7/20/2003  11:01 PM
Posted by newyork:



I still don't understand how we don't need Sprewell.
you didn't know that trading sprewell was the "new" thing?
all those years as a fan and now i'm the anti-knick. life is crazy aint it.
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7/21/2003  6:53 AM
Bobby, thanks for the knowledge. Character to these guys only means something when somebody tries to date their daughter, other than that they think character isn't needed in the NBA.
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7/21/2003  3:09 PM
Playa: So what you have been trying to say is cuz Spree doesn't act like Houston we don't need him on the team???

Bobby: Spree never complained about size or being out of position which u are refuring to when u say Houston never complained about size. Spree asked for size in the offseason when he didn't get what he asked for he still went out and played hard anyway. And there is no problem with asking managment to get some size. He wants to win and getting size would have definatly help this team win over the past yrs.

Houston & Spree didn't lose chemistry. They lost there 3 best big men in Ew, LJ, Camby and they were replaced with Harrington, Weatherspoon, Doleac. This is y Houston shot 39% & Spree shot 37%. They had noone to take pressure off of them. And still were 500. together. Which is a testament that they truly are allstars.

There are to much false conclusions about Spree which adds up and forms Spree haters. Its the same thing for Houston to. So many false conclusions about him forms Houston haters. Noone here is perfect so there for noone here is worthy of judging any player on his personality or personal life. GOD is the only one who is perfect and cappable of judging.

And its not just Houston & Spree its everyone. Milos doesn't come over right away now fans make up there own assumption that he will never come over and we should trade him for nothing. Sweentey plays bad in a 5min practice and all of a sudden he is labled a bust. Lampe playes bad in his first 2 summer league games and he is all of a sudden labled a bust. Frank Williams has a bad rookie season and is labled a bust. Vranes does nothing in his first few summer league games and is already labled a bust. Fans and media are just to quick to judge and to quick to jump to conclusions. Y do u think Free Agents don't want to come to NY. Cuz we treat our player like crap.
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7/21/2003  3:41 PM
Posted by newyork:

Playa22: U obviously don't like Spree at all. So Im not going to continue to argue with u as it won't go anywhere. I doubt I have the ability to change your mind especially with so much hate for him. So I will just make these points and leave it alone.
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... change Playa's mind? You're making the assumption he has one.
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7/21/2003  3:50 PM
Yea pike start a thread and see if anyone cares. mindless and clueless.
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7/21/2003  3:57 PM
... keep talking about how Spree is the root of all the Knicks problems. All I have to do is let you speak... the non SUSPECTS who were around here before us are starting to see what's up... figure you out. keep talking, dawg.
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7/21/2003  4:20 PM
this is funny

playa made a post trying to compare sprewell versus houston...

then bobby came back and says "comparing the two is ludicrous"...

then playa came back and said "thanks for the knowledge bobby"...



simply put. mindboggling




all those years as a fan and now i'm the anti-knick. life is crazy aint it.
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7/21/2003  4:44 PM
SPREWELL'S a great guy
ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, BUT THEY ARE NOT TREATED EQUAL !!!
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7/21/2003  7:44 PM
simply put. mindboggling

, not quite my good man, Mind e-n-h-a-n-c-i-n-g
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7/22/2003  5:19 PM
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Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:


Um.... hey!

Since we signed Houston to that asinine contract, the only place we've been was the Lottery! How the hell can we do any worse that that??? If HOUSTON is our "franchise" then that's why we are screwed for the long term.

There's NO way signing him to that obscene money helped the team. At All. We could have done a sign and trade for a low-post presence that would have helped compliment Spree's game. (Even Spree himself repeatedly asked for a big man!)

errr.. you make it seem like management can instantly snap thier fingers and get a Shaq for Houston trade at thier will... cmon gimme a break.. quality players dont fall into management hands so easily...

we sign Houston to a huge contract or he walks and the knicks get nothing... then you want the Knicks to sign him and trade him for a quality big man... who gives up a quality big man for a overpaid shooting guard with a long gauranteed contract? maybe if you stopped believing that trade negotions is nothing more than trading player cards you'd get a grasp of what a difficult desicion the knicks had to make when signing houston...

to put things in perspective.. the Spurs just lost the race for Kidd, but they are lucky enough to have a Duncan on thier roster as well as a cast of quality supporting players.. the knicks where in no such position at the time they signed houston....
Um, you are forgetting that no one else wanted him. He made one trip that off-season and it was to Detroit. We needed to wait and see what the other offers were then outbid them. Even Houston and his agent said the Knicks gave him way above what he thought he was going to get from any team. Way above!
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7/23/2003  8:21 AM
• Summer 1992: Sprewell chosen by Golden State with the 24th pick in the draft and quickly establishes himself as one of the best shooting guards in the league.

• Dec. 1, 1997: Warriors coach P.J. Carlesimo criticizes Sprewell during a practice. Sprewell rushes Carlesimo, is thrown out, then comes back 20 minutes later to attack Carlesimo again. His contract is terminated and he is suspended for one year.

• March 4, 1998: Contract is reinstated by an arbitrator, but Sprewell is suspended for the balance of the season.

• Jan. 21, 1999: The Knicks trade Terry Cummings, Chris Mills and John Starks to Golden State for the rights to Sprewell.

• Spring 1999: Returning from a 14-month exile, Sprewell appears in 37 games and leads the Knicks' run to the NBA Finals.

• Fall 1999: Sprewell misses the first week of training camp while driving across the country. He is suspended for the first exhibition game. But shortly thereafter, the Knicks sign him to a $61.9 million extension.

• April 2002: Sprewell fined $125,000 for missing a pregame shootaround. All but $2,500 was eventually rescinded.

• October 2002: Sprewell fined $437,000 for not reporting a broken hand in a timely manner and told not to rejoin Knicks until he is ready to make "a positive contribution." He says he injured the hand on his boat three weeks prior, after losing his balance, slipping and falling. Sprewell misses the first eight games of the season and files a $40 million lawsuit against the New York Post over its stories of how he broke his hand.
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FLIP SAUNDERS BETTER GET A TURTLE NECK, SPREE HAS GONE FROM BEING GOOD TO GOING BACKWARDS.

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7/23/2003  8:24 AM
All you know is hate on this man. Is P.J. Carlesimo your daddy or somethin???
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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7/23/2003  8:43 AM
No fool, I just do it becuse people rip a player (houston ) who never caused any problem to the knick franchise since he has been here and has been a model citizen. AND praise sprewell. It's like the people calling for Romans to free BARABBAS a felon and crucify "JESUS"! Only Haters of good think that way.
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7/23/2003  8:51 AM
Posted by playa2:

No fool, I just do it becuse people rip a player (houston ) who never caused any problem to the knick franchise since he has been here and has been a model citizen. AND praise sprewell. It's like the people calling for Romans to free BARABBAS a felon and crucify "JESUS"! Only Haters of good think that way.

So now you're a champion of good? LOL Son, you co-opted words from the NY Post(?!?!?) and you're upholding all the goodness in the world?? LOL
And what's with the Jesus references? You are bible-thumpin' just like ya boy Allan. Allan gets 100 million to send us to the lottery. What is Scott LayDown payin' you?

It's friggin' HILARIOUS.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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7/23/2003  2:02 PM
My corrections


Houston & Spree didn't lose chemistry. They lost there 3 best big men in Ew, LJ, Camby and they were replaced with Harrington, Weatherspoon, Doleac. This is y Houston shot 39% & Spree shot 37%. They had noone to take pressure off of them. And still were 500. together. Which is a testament that they truly are allstars.

Houston shot 44.5% Spree shot 40.3%

So haters can hate all they want but most likley Spree & Houston will be on the team this & next season. Deal with it and focus more on the positives they bring rather than the negatives.

Sprewell will not be with us next season.
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7/23/2003  2:21 PM
first off, New York, stop arguing with playa. It is like arguing with a wall! All he cares about is getting rid of Ewnig, JVG and SPree! Well he finally has his dreams come true. Get ready for mediocrity NY! Funny, who will Myron start blaming this year? Who is next on his radar screen? Ward? KT? I am guessing them because they are still loyal to JVG and are the remains of toughnss NY still has from their better days.

So far his boy Chaney has gotten us to 2 lottery picks, one of which Layden blew by trading Hilario for a bad knee and the other which is on paper looks oK. But this trade takes away from the momentum of the picks as finally it appeared as though NY was getting the size it needed to make the Spree Houston combo work again!

Van Horn is softer than cream cheese. His stats last season were similar to Spree's and Spree had his worst season ever!! Van Horn, a member of a playoff team the last 2 years, is being traded again!!!!

Eisley - utah ties
Houston - Choir boy
Van Corn - Utah Ties
KT - soon to be gone
Doleac - Utah ties

What a lineup!

We better hope Sweets and Lampe develop into all-stars by mid-season!!
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