Posted by Solace:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Solace I agree with you the trade on paper PHX doesn't get a bang for your buck for Marion. I'll say it again people lashed out at me when I suggested trading Marion for Deng or Gerald Wallace over the summer. I heard "Are you kidding me why would the Suns want to bust up their core for those guys, they're nice but not worth an All-Star such as Marion." I even referenced how the Suns passed on a Marion/Lewis trade 2yrs ago. I may find those threads later tonight. But now we're here and while they could have received more they received a proven player to help them achieve their ultimate goal. Shaq doesn't put them any further away than if they kept Marion. If anything he gets them closer.

I hear you. I'm a bit late in chiming in at this point, so I apologize if I'm repeating what's already been said. However, we all know that Marion is a better player than Shaq and that Phoenix could've gotten more in other trades. So, the only argument I could see for people liking this trade would be if they had a lot of faith in Boris Diaw. Personally, I think Diaw will play well, but I don't think it will be well enough to make Phoenix a better team without Marion. If Shaq could be rewinded to two years ago, I'd feel differently.

To put it bluntly, Marion is a much better player than someone like Pau Gasol. Yet, Gasol netted cap room, Javaris Crittenton, two first rounders, Marc Gasol. Marion to the Lakers would've likely been a lot more than that package. So, to get Shaq in return just makes no sense to me.

[Edited by - Solace on Feb 06 2008 1:34 PM]

Posted by Solace:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Solace I agree with you the trade on paper PHX doesn't get a bang for your buck for Marion. I'll say it again people lashed out at me when I suggested trading Marion for Deng or Gerald Wallace over the summer. I heard "Are you kidding me why would the Suns want to bust up their core for those guys, they're nice but not worth an All-Star such as Marion." I even referenced how the Suns passed on a Marion/Lewis trade 2yrs ago. I may find those threads later tonight. But now we're here and while they could have received more they received a proven player to help them achieve their ultimate goal. Shaq doesn't put them any further away than if they kept Marion. If anything he gets them closer.

I hear you. I'm a bit late in chiming in at this point, so I apologize if I'm repeating what's already been said. However, we all know that Marion is a better player than Shaq and that Phoenix could've gotten more in other trades. So, the only argument I could see for people liking this trade would be if they had a lot of faith in Boris Diaw. Personally, I think Diaw will play well, but I don't think it will be well enough to make Phoenix a better team without Marion. If Shaq could be rewinded to two years ago, I'd feel differently.

To put it bluntly, Marion is a much better player than someone like Pau Gasol. Yet, Gasol netted cap room, Javaris Crittenton, two first rounders, Marc Gasol. Marion to the Lakers would've likely been a lot more than that package. So, to get Shaq in return just makes no sense to me.

[Edited by - Solace on Feb 06 2008 1:34 PM]

It makes a huge difference who you're trading with, position of dealing, needs, and contracts. Marion who's essentially an expiring deal isn't worth the same Marion with 2-3yrs left on his contract. Marion is a small forward so is Lamar Odom, whereas Gasol is a bonafied power forward. If the Lakers and Suns were to make a trade no way PHX takes back Kwame and 2 first rounders. Depending who's making the trade skews players value. Say you're the Suns and you have Kwame on your roster you're telling me you don't trade Kwame, Banks, and 2 first rounders(25-30th pick) for Shaq?

Marion is only expiring if he opts out. There's only going to be two teams under the cap, so unless we think Marion is opting out to join the Grizzlies or Hawks, I'm not sure he will opt out. Depends on your view on that. I'm doubting that Marion opts out whether he's on the Suns or Heat. Therefore, Marion has 1 year left after this one, if buy what I'm saying.

Kwame, Banks, and two first rounders for Shaq is a bad trade, IMHO, but could be justified since it would improve a team. Marion for Shaq makes the Suns worse.

Posted by kam77:

Why aren't they looking into Curry instead of Shaq.

Posted by kam77:

Why aren't they looking into Curry instead of Shaq.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by kam77:

Why aren't they looking into Curry instead of Shaq.

I think the thought is that Shaq will help them defensively. Shaq's fared pretty decent against Duncan in one on one matchups over the years. Not saying that will continue because Shaq is 35, but again, I think that's the idea behind it.

Posted by martin:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by kam77:

Why aren't they looking into Curry instead of Shaq.

I think the thought is that Shaq will help them defensively. Shaq's fared pretty decent against Duncan in one on one matchups over the years. Not saying that will continue because Shaq is 35, but again, I think that's the idea behind it.

I think you just responded to the biggest sarcastic post with a straight answer ... funny.

Posted by kam77:

Why aren't they looking into Malik Rose who is a career winner instead of Shaq?