Posted by holfresh:


I have a problem wiht this report releasing names and it's not a comprehensive...The interview a few guys that was caught in distribution and injecting others...But there has to be a bigger list of people who wasn't caught...People are on the list through hearsay as Brian Roberts...No one saw him do...Roberts told someone he did it...That person told Mitchell Roberts said he did it and now he is on the list...

I would have to think the lots more players have done that no one knows about...They don't know where Clemens and Petite got their stuff from, so how can it be comprehensive...

Posted by PresIke:

Is it merely a coincidence that when Bonds was the center of criticism many fans had no problem with heresy as evidence, but now that it's beloved Yankees that are accused folks are up on arms about the same approach?

Do you all honestly think that baseball would air their dirty laundry like this if they didn't think it was likely to be true? It's all about MLB CYA vs. the players association on the steroids issue? Probably part of the equation, but the players association has not stepped up and both are at fault for trying to hide it. The report criticizes baseball for it's slow response.

But really, what this is about is making a step towards creating a clean slate. Because the report doesn't cover every single player who may have used doesn't necessarily mean it's worthless and overly harmful when we can see that players on every team have had someone use, and it goes across the spectrum from stars to average players, and every position. Other reports can be created over time to expose new players, but from baseball's perspective they had to show fans that they were going to do something with the negative image the game was facing about juicing, even if it wasn't absolutely perfect.

This still creates a big problem with regards to HOF voting and fan response if they are inducted for players who are candidates and named here.

I'm one who doesn't blame any one person or entity here, and think that while these substances gave certain athletes an advantage over others the league and players association did nothing to stop it when they clearly knew what was going on. Any player who seriously considered or did use put themselves at significant risk down the road for accusation of cheating. Some got caught, some are suspected, and some have yet to be caught or suspected. That's part of how it is. Bonds as a lightning rod was clearly overemphasized, as we can see that steroid use was pervasive across MLB.

That era should come to a close with strong punishments against use of such substances, and then we can all move forward.

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