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ARES
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6/20/2003  11:18 AM
i do too sub
i wasn't so bitter coming into last year, but when you issue the money they paid for Clarence and Howard it just pisses me off.
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6/20/2003  11:26 AM
Ewing was a superstar. You have to look at what the other players you mentioned had to work with. Then you will realize the greatness of Ewing. He never had the supporting cast to do damage. The players he got were out of their prime or they were just not talented enough. He wasn't working with a full deck like the players that you mentioned. The players Ewing had were role players at best nothing more and nothing less. The what ifs can go on and on. But the fact will always remain that Ewing never had a player score 20 points a game with him. the highest I think was starks at 17.5 a game.
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6/20/2003  11:39 AM
the lottery hasn't hurt San Antonio sub? it's not just getting the picks it's doing the right thing when you get a pick. Had the knicks drafted well we have a dynasty like no other we all know that.

sub the reason why we want to scrap the team, is not just to gain lottery positions, it's that this team has no talent is every position exept shooting guard(even that position is just above average) and the rest of the team is Overpriced,old out sized. We got like three 6'6 power fowards. so yes it's time to scrap this team go in another direction, hold a few lottery picks instead of trading them for damaged goods.

I wanted mcdeyyes don't get me wrong but never knew why we had to give up a pick for him in last years lottery. i mean he did have two surgeries in two years. some people were naive and thought he would save the season, coming off magor knee surgery (playa2) but it's crazy how last year had more dept in the draft we trade the pick and this year we look to keep it.

of course it's all hindsight but imagine how we look in the trade if we gave this years pick got mcdeyyes and used last years pick on caron or amare.

Now i'm not holding ARES,Vmart ,Sub zero, or tkf to these standards of cousre we are not GM's, but it would be nice to have some one that can forecast this or other sucessful scenario's.
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6/20/2003  11:51 AM
i understand that
but what you are saying is still a if propostion "IF" Ewing had a another high profile player..etc.etc we still don't know if anything would be different vmart. Ewing could of played worst. That theory does prove he needed help but does not prove he was a superstar. but what is proof he never brought it when it counted, take for example, Magic and micheal. Magic loss the superstar as rookie in game 6 of the championship against a even matched philly team. Magic could of used that as a excuse as we are doing for EWing. but he didn't he played Center score 42, 15 re's and over 10 assist.
Jordan scored 63 with no help against a great boston team. he loss the team but he made the effort ewing never took it the extra mile

and the main fact he got dominated routiny bylesser opponents hurts the superstar tag big time. SMits had less support than ewing. but damn he gave it to ewing many of times. cartwright, ewing was our advantage against the bulls, he was the only one that didn't know it

lastly i usually use this bullet for my good buddy nec, but i will give you a crack

Name another superstar that was held to 1 point in a playoff game??? EVer. like ewing against indiana.

patrick ewing is more know for what he couldn't do, finger rolls, getted stripped three times to ignite reggie in 1994 etc
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6/20/2003  11:53 AM
last post is jordan lost the series, not team.
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6/20/2003  11:56 AM
sub: you make some good points but here is a flaw in your example with San antonio. When robinson got hurt, The spurs didn't have near the salary the knicks did, so for them to suck was not a bad thing. And look at the spurs now, 2 rings later they still have enough money to replace robinson with another star player, that is good management.

Like ares I am so pissed because I have never seen a team so irresponsible as the knicks, to give that kind of money to eisley, and spoon, and Anderson, is just a killer!!! I mean KT is the knicks best bigman outside of Dice and his contract is no where near Spoon's and get this, when KT got his contract he was comming off a good year and only 28 years old. then layden turns around and gives spoon that deal at his age and skill level.. that is just ass backwards!! This is why most of us are so bitter...
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6/20/2003  12:09 PM
When you play russian roulette, better known as the over the CAP game the Knicks play... you are at a much greater risk to make mistakes to compound the situation. The reason being is, obviously, you can't participate in the free agent market and the team is held captive by their current set of players... the only players team can sign.

The perfect example of which, is Allan Houston. Team runs risk of losing him for nothing, has this win now mentality and Layden signs him to a contract 30-40 million more than was necessary.
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6/20/2003  12:18 PM
Posted by ARES:

i understand that
but what you are saying is still a if propostion "IF" Ewing had a another high profile player..etc.etc we still don't know if anything would be different vmart. Ewing could of played worst. That theory does prove he needed help but does not prove he was a superstar. but what is proof he never brought it when it counted, take for example, Magic and micheal. Magic loss the superstar as rookie in game 6 of the championship against a even matched philly team. Magic could of used that as a excuse as we are doing for EWing. but he didn't he played Center score 42, 15 re's and over 10 assist.
Jordan scored 63 with no help against a great boston team. he loss the team but he made the effort ewing never took it the extra mile

and the main fact he got dominated routiny bylesser opponents hurts the superstar tag big time. SMits had less support than ewing. but damn he gave it to ewing many of times. cartwright, ewing was our advantage against the bulls, he was the only one that didn't know it

lastly i usually use this bullet for my good buddy nec, but i will give you a crack

Name another superstar that was held to 1 point in a playoff game??? EVer. like ewing against indiana.

patrick ewing is more know for what he couldn't do, finger rolls, getted stripped three times to ignite reggie in 1994 etc

David Rabinson he scored 0 against the Lakers. Your talking about an injured Ewing not the Ewing in his prime. What about the Ewing who showed up against Miami who out played Mourning in his last days.
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6/20/2003  1:42 PM
ok nice one vmart, but you know daiv don't count. he aint a superstar either, he is a christian ewing.You beat me too the punch, Ewing had some ood games against Zo. but Zo gave him some good games back. Ew had some good moments but domination......And smiits, that game ewing had a sore hammy, still one point is inexcuseable, even in his prime ewing got manhandled by smits come on vmart admit it. but what bothered me both was the bulls. i still think we could never beat them. but it would of been nice to see ewing did what duncan did against the lakers 30 and 15 every game, or get like 12 in a quarter to dominate and seal the deal.

But we just proved the point ewing was a good player no superstar, i mean plenty of players never won, and was by them self but never got dominated by clearly infereior players like my man no heart.
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